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Acheron should have chance of curse.

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Sat, 05/28/2011 - 22:31
sabervolt
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Okay so if Glacius gets to cause strong freeze, Combuster gets to cause strong fire, then Acheron gets to cause... nothing?

Tell me why this wont be balanced compared to other brandish types, it needs some kind of elemental status.

Note: Fiends and Undead are immune to curse, and don't tell me "Because of Faust etc." since theres also Fang of Vog.

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 09:37
#1
Ouros
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It's balanced because it

It's balanced because it inflicts a rare damage type. Currently, there are only four weapon lines that inflict shadow, (faust, graviton, shadowtech, acheron). There is no means of inflicting pure shadow via a sword, and the only other sword option that inflicts shadow (faust) is somewhat difficult to acquire and has a backdraft of occasionally cursing yourself.

Gremlin danger rooms account for a lot of difficulty in high tier play. Giving Acheron a curse effect would trivialize them in a way nothing else does.

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 10:33
#2
Letchi
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I agree with Ouro's opinion,

I agree with Ouro's opinion, honestly Acheron doesn't need a curse inflict, given that it's special attack is much stronger than Faust's which back fires on it's user. Besides Acheron is the fastest shadow dealing weapon out there, what it really needs though, is perhaps 2x more faster speed to the Faust, since it's damage is 2x lower than Faust.

It is a Katana after all, it should be faster than a broad sword.

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 11:15
#3
Elegies
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I don't think Acheron needs

I don't think Acheron needs curse; however, it should have its damage increased.

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 11:46
#4
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Vlad
@ Elegies Why? It's a

@ Elegies Why? It's a three-striker and is almost as strong as a Gran Faust. It's fine as is.

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 12:04
#5
Letchi
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@ Vlad, it is not as strong

@ Vlad, it is not as strong as Faust, but more efficient, how ever I suggest a speed change to make it faster than faust.

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 13:01
#6
Elegies
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Sorry. "Damage increased"

Sorry. "Damage increased" was intentionally vague--whether by means of more throughput (speed) or more damage per hit (damage), I think the Acheron is a tad on the weak side. I would agree that its strength is its damage type...but that only goes so far.

I haven't done extensive testing, but the charge "explosions" from the Acheron don't seem to pack as much of an initial punch as the Combuster's--but that's a perception, I have no data to back it up other than my own trials. Also, the 3-proc doesn't seem to occur as often as the Combuster's. That could just be bad luck, though.

Although. If we really wanted to add a status to it, we could always have it apply Sleep (are there any weapons in game that apply sleep, currently?) not the most useful of statuses by any means, but it would be good for soloing (or with smart teammates) and kinda fit the blade's theme (the "sleep of death," as it were).

Sun, 05/29/2011 - 22:09
#7
sabervolt
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Lets look at the

Lets look at the facts:

Acheron has lesser DPS than Gran Faust.

Acheron is the only Brandish 5 star that doesn't have status effects.

Acheron is chance based of only 1-2 explosions (not 2-3, as I noticed), and not even that strong.

Only Faust+~ inflicts curse, and no weapon inflicts sleep (Stated by Elegies). So sleep or curse would be great on this weapon.

So Acheron is basically underpowered in my opinion.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 02:06
#8
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Noru
Acheron actually can do 3

Acheron actually can do 3 explosions.

One benefit of the Acheron over Gran Faust is that it charges must faster than a Gran Faust allowing you to do the charge attack more often in tight situations and the charge attack doesn't have a delay afterwards.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 05:12
#9
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Betrael
One drawback/glitch to the

One drawback/glitch to the Acheron charge that I've noticed is sometimes when it hits jellies it doesn't do critical damage, just like 200 or so in white letters, not 240+ that is usually done with ragnarok-esque crit letters. (JK palace area)

I don't know if it really needs more speed or damage, but I won't complain if it gets an upgrade.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 08:21
#10
Noru's picture
Noru
I've noticed the same thing

I've noticed the same thing too. I think it usually occurs when you attack right after switching weapons. It may be that the server-side has not acknowledged your weapon change, but the client has already displayed the change.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 10:31
#11
Shidara
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My opinion

The Acheron is a good weapon, but it could use some powering up.

One thing I've noticed is that the third explosion which the 5* Brandishes are supposed to be able to make occur once in a blue moon. I've only made three explosions appear like two or three times up until now, and this Acheron has seen a lot of action. I'd like this to be fixed, or even better, have a guaranteed third explosion to make up for the lack of status affliction.

If that's not going to happen, then a speed boost as suggested by Letchi would be nice to have. It looks like a freaking katana so why not?
I'm not entirely into a damage increase, though.

As for a status affliction, Curse would make it overpowered. Everyone would be running around with Acherons, cursing everything and destroying things in seconds. I think Faust should be allowed to keep the title as the only weapon capable of inflicting Curse.
A Sleep condition was suggested, and that would admittedly be very interesting to see implemented. I have mixed feelings about it, though, but it would indeed be interesting.

So yeah, those are my opinions.

Fri, 06/10/2011 - 13:31
#12
Daystar
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Agreed with most here, the

Agreed with most here, the sword is fine as it is in relation to Faust. Having a faster swing is nothing to laugh at: the slow 2-swingers can be very dangerous to use in alot of situations because of the delay after the second swing, and the lack of mobility in the combo. Being able to strike once, twice or thrice and shield between attacks really sets it apart from the Gran Faust currently: if it cursed too, it would be straight up better in just about every circumstance.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 10:58
#13
danski117
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Archeron

In my opinion OOO just needs to cater to those who want to carry 3/4 weaps and specialize. U can get a gun or bomb that is pure damage of all 4 types, but when it comes to swords, you can get a max norm or piercing sword, but when it comes to ele/shad, you are forced to share its damage with norm. Now, I dont think they need to remove the current ones, but a line of swords that is pure shad and/or ele should be developed for those that want to carry a dedicated weapon and go swordsman like myself.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 12:11
#14
Ryoga124
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I think a speed increase

I think a speed increase would be a buff that would work and wouldn't break the sword and make it OP.

Thu, 08/11/2011 - 15:42
#15
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Starlinvf
A damage increase in the

A damage increase in the explosions would be the only logical buff considering its lack of status effects. Anything that buffs its normal attack wouldn't make any sense since the status effects on the other brandishes only occur on the charge attack anyway.

On the other hand, adding poison is one possible option... but it might actually be over powered on it. Or create a new status effect like blindness or hexing. Blindness would be a simple x% to miss hitting a target. Hexes would be a status effect that does x damage to the afflicted as well as any nearby monsters when it expires.

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