This event in particular has annoyed almost every customer of OOO's Energy Factory. This is what it says on the wiki page:
The probability of receiving a specific item is always the same, regardless of how many purchases you make during the promotional period.
Yet we take the risk and complain later on. Why?
I don't want to pay $10 for a new box because all I got was a UV ticket, because there is an 80% chance to get one of the three UV tickets.
Aren't you paying $10 for Energy? The box is free. Not like OOO have increased the price of the Energy packs because of the promo is it.
I'm sick of people using that argument.
People don't care about the energy, they care about the stuff they get for buying energy.
A lot of players don't rampantly buy energy; they only buy it when there's a promotion where they can get something cool with it.
The boxes aren't secondary. The energy is.
That's exactly what people don't see.
... players will receive a "prize box" gift with purchases of $9.95 or more...
You paid for the CE, the box is just a bonus.
Yeah well I'm sick of all the people who don't see that. If people don't care about the energy then why are they paying $10 for a free box? Oh wait the rare pay 2 win items in it. Oh wait they know it's a 1% chance of getting it OOO tells us that much. Oh wait is it because they are stupid then? Is that what you are saying? People are stupid for buying the boxes with real money even though they know getting something good is so low?
Edit: a friend of mine spent $100 to get Energy packs. Which gave him 'free' boxes. He got a juicy amount of ce from the Energy packs which he was very happy about. The boxes which he got he sold for 3-4kce each. Which made him even more happy.
@Arcknight: Draycos is trying to say from the buyers point of view, they are paying for the box, not the energy. It's from their point of view.
@Draycos: The reality of the situation is that they are actually paying for the energy, whether they feel that way or not.
I don't buy energy just for energy, nor do I know anyone who would do that because we can just farm vana if we need cash or energy from trade.
The prize boxes however are ONLY obtainable by dropping some cash on the game or paying tons of earned cash for a box.
so yes I'm paying specifically for the boxes when I buy energy. Normally crappy accessories and cool costumes do not bother me because at least there new, how ever when there is a 80% chance I will obtain something lame and in no way new that's really disappointing.
It's too late now there isn't any way OOO is gonna change this event, but at least by complaining a ton about it maybe they will go back to the old fun way of the prior events. Where I'd always get something unique.
I never buy energy unless there's some really cool event with a fair chance at things. When I buy energy at these points, I'm not buying it for the energy, I'm buying it for the box. The energy is more of a side addition.
If you read what I am saying with an open mind rather than "read" what I am saying you will understand the meaning. But true sometimes I may not get my point across so well. Let me break it down. This is what I am saying.
1. OOO has Energy packs purchasable via real money, which people buy from time to time.
2. OOO implements a system where it entices people to buy said Energy packs (promos).
3. This causes more people to buy more energy packs because of the promo. (Why would I explain this if I didn't mean this, I would think you would get that, but oh well).
4. However the chance of getting 'popular' items were decent, so once people bought and got what what they wanted they stopped buying promo Energy packs. Not good for business.
5. Now OOO has made the chance of getting 'popular' items super hard. This causes people to buy more boxes to get that item. OCD is a powerful thing my friend. OOO are very clever people.
6. Profit for OOO.
So essentially the 'stupid' ones. The ones who are complaining (not the ones who have bought boxes AND don't really care) who have bought the Energy packs for the box, for a chance to get the rare items should know the chance is very low so why buy? Why complain after you know the chances are low, after you buy the energy packs, open a box and get a UV ticket? Surely if you want to make a point don't buy the packs then.
Your argument for saying you only buy the energy packs for the boxes is stupid when you know perfectly well you got low chances of getting anything good.
Don't jump into the fire knowing you will get burnt then come out of the fire all burnt and complain about it.
why can't people be more like this guy
at the end of the day you still have to wonder what the logic is of people who consider it a rip off that they're buying the regular package of CE just for the chance of something from a box, when really you're still getting what you would normally pay for otherwise
tl;dr - don't complain because you didn't the the something you wanted for what amounts to nothing, if you really hate the odds that much then well, there's a reason SK's free-to-play
p.s. ily dottir
Somebody actually gets it. It isn't because the boxes 'come free' with the energy, it's because the boxes can only be obtained through cash purchase that people kick up a storm when 4/5 times you're only gonna get a UV ticket - something one could easily purchase in-game for a relatively low amount of in-game currency.
When dropping $9.95 per box is the only way to obtain these items people will be upset when they only get UV tickets after dropping 10, 20, 50, 100, or even 200 US dollars specifically because they wanted the advertised promotonial items inside these "free boxes".
As Draycos and Rekkusu quite accurately pointed out, we make the purchase for the boxes, the energy is secondary.
Ce purchase is normal offer.
Promotional boxes = promotional sale, you usally get something, a % off or a giftbox that you throw away in the dumpster. But when you announce new items as a promotion and you have 20% of getting them with a single purchase. Then yeah it's bullock.
The fact that you can get less than 1$ worth of promotional stuff vs 100$ is crazy, this isn't the lottery, it's a game. A 1UV ticket is worth how much these days again? 13-20k cr? 3 UV? 200k cr? Orbit Aura? 50k ce?
That's the major problem. We bought plenty of regalia boxes because you had 100% of getting either a tabard or a chap. You would always get something with it. Nemesis and Solstice 2012 box had the same problem... little to no % to actually get content when you compare vs obsidian, storm that even with low % you would get an accessory related to that event.
Let's just think this through.
"NEW BALANCE THE EQUINOX UPDATE, GET NEW COSMETIC ITEMS IN THE EQUINOX PRIZE BOXES"
And get a 1 UV ticket after dropping 10$ and getting about... 200-300 ce? when you just bought 3.5k? and you are okay with that?
Edit: re-read the announcement again please
Edit 2: For the complete list of items and other details cause you know... having a 20% of getting them is "other details"
If someone designs a sick winged helm, you can be certain people want it. Since there's no other way of acquiring it other than to buy ce, the boxes can hardly be considered a gift, since you're obviously aiming for the helm, including an 80% chance of crap is just ridiculous.
tl;dr
They obviously fail at releasing new exciting content at a regular pace, so when new stuff comes most people want it. Giving them an 80% chance of crap is just mean.
Alright, let's see this from your perspective.
So you spent money on the box itself, but what are the odds in getting the items you desire the most? 1 %. Not 5, 20 or 35 - but 1.
You've been warned that the chances are pretty slim - it's all based on luck. That leaves you with two options:
1. Break a leg and go for it.
OR
2. Buy it with SK currency from someone. The majority buy the boxes for the purpose of resell anyways.
Woah wall of text slow down there.
I didn't buy into this event at all. it would by hypocritical of me to complain about how much of a money waster it is if I did that exact thing.
I'm complaining about the odds of getting a good item which isn't stupid. If anything it probably discouraged a lot of people from buying boxes at all which would mean LESS sales not more. Like really If you buy a box and get complete trash are you going to be happy and be like "I should buy 10 more of these I'm sure I'll get what I want next time!" no most people will be sour or feel tricked and want something at least decent.
And yes I did read what you had to say your just calling people stupid for buying "free boxes" and how they complain about not getting anything good because of the chance of rare items and talking about how you should just use this event to get lots of CE like your friend which isn't what were talking about. were talking about the boxes prize chance and how 80% of them are trash and nothing cool.
I know exactly what you are talking about. I read the patch notes.
I am calling 'those' people stupid for knowing the chance of getting a rare item is so low yet they buy the Energy packs and complain when they get a UV ticket. I'm saying your argument is stupid because if you know the chance of getting something from a box is so low then why justify those who buy boxes. I'm saying that an alternative way to make the most out of this promo would to buy the Energy packs get a 'free' box and sell the box for Energy. So you essentially get more Energy for your money worth. I KNOW you WANT the PROMO items, but too bad OOO has done it like it is. The common sense approach would be for people to not buy the Energy packs with free boxes then. That way OOO don't make money so they are forced to change their plans. But try teaching this community common sense. Good luck.
So.........you can argue and moan all you want. Heck even spam OOO with mail telling them to stop this madness. There are people who are buying Energy packs and making a nice amount of profit selling boxes to us guys. There are lots of people who are buying boxes and trying their luck and don't complain. There are lots of people who are buying boxes and complaining they got a UV ticket when they know there is such a high chance of getting one, and there are lots of people like me who are sick of people raging every time OOO does something to earn themselves some money. At the end of the day OOO has to keep both paying and non paying customers happy. I think so far they have done a decent job of it.
Then why not make the promotional boxes/items obtainable both via energy purchase and the Supply Depot? Why have the two alternatives never been used together for the same promotion?
@ Arck
I thought about buying one, checked the ratio and bought a moon crest off AH at 56k cr... trying to get something cheap if I can... Yeah the odds are more than slim and it's quite futile to risk it but what if we talk about regalia boxes... or obsidian boxes... or even Ancient that just went by... I bought some because I had 100% of getting ancient related item, with good oods I could get good stuff and with bad odds (like I had for that partiicular scenario) you could get bad ancient related stuff.
But with Equinox you could get nothing cosmos related item and that's MY major point, the UV is not necessary, they could've done a flash sale with dem UV's ticket instead -_-
Good question. Then explain to OOO an alternative way to make money if they did this. You do realise these guys are humans like us and need to earn a living some how. I'm actually really worried now. Is Spiral Knights the only MMO game you guys have played? If so you really need to look at some other games. You will find a lot of evil money making companies out there, trust me.
Want to proceed past the tutorial? Think again! Pay a monthly subscription fee and enjoy 5 awesome new open world levels! Pay an additional fee to receive god like weapons! Pay and additional fee to upgrade those god like weapons! Pay an additional fee to add tiny little accessories to your god like weapons! That sort of evil.
Edit: Shamanalah yes I agree. But then don't buy the Energy packs only for boxes then. It's that simple. Why are there Celestial Shields in game and Moon crests on AH if people are raging over this 'false marketing ploy' by OOO. Because there will always be people taking that risk, OOO knows that so they may carry on. Want to stop OOO. Stop buying the Energy packs. But that is easier said than done.
I don't justify people who buy the boxes, and I disagree with OOO doing a good job at keeping players happy, this promotion is a pretty good example of the latter. but I'm getting tired of arguing and I have homework to do.
Basically we all want promo items and and there only obtainable by dropping 9.95 per chance and 80% will yield no new promo items which is discouraging, and I could moan and complain about this topic for the rest of the promo but as I stated before nothing will be changed. but it is important to voice our opinions on the matter so OOO's will notice are dissatisfaction with this promotion and hopefully make the next one much more friendly and not a mad gamble. from what I can make out of your walls of text you want me to not complain about this promotion because it's just OOO trying to make money, I never said they couldn't it is after all a companies goal to make money but I disagree with the way they are doing it as of now and I find it to be rather lame.
anyways your right we shouldn't spend any money on this promo to discourage OOO from doing this again, hopefully things can go back to the funner way there were.
we make the purchase for the boxes, the energy is secondary
and isn't that the fault of those who see the CE packages as "secondary" when the CE packages are realistically what's always available? it's clear the intended sale is for CE and not prize boxes, at least by the way OOO advertises them; if the argument was based off of buying CE and then redeeming the CE for prize boxes, which has been done in the past, then i would be more than willing to see your point here but as it is, the boxes are specifically intended to be bonus content, and not something that people should interpret as "dropping 10, 20, 50, 100, or even 200 US dollars specifically because they wanted the advertised promotonial items inside these 'free boxes'."
at the end of the day, no matter how you cut it, the boxes are additional bonus content that comes with your regular CE purchases; the fact that everyone chooses to see it as bonus CE for making purchases of boxes is an arbitrary way at best of trying to complain about something that you're essentially getting for nothing, just because it's not the something you specifically wanted.
As far as I am aware this is the first time OOO has done something like this. OCH was different as we could still afford to buy the DLC with ce for like 1-4kce if people were selling. So ok you made your point, now lets just get off OOO back.
Lets see what they do with the Gunner update.
P.S my 'walls of text' are no bigger than some of your responses and others.
I'm not savvy enough to give explainations, but from my personal purchases those with sure-fire acquiral of the items advertised have been a must. Energy packs (Starter, Battle, Explorer, Deluxe), OCH and Rose Regalia are safe and appealing promotions, in term of player-friendly service the more recent ones are gradually becoming nothing like them.
I never said mine weren't walls of text too ;3
Also when did I mention OCH? ._.
@ Arck
IDK about you but I can make about 10k ce a month if I don't go to school, don't have a job and don't have a social life either, but I love those and resort to not playing SK at all because I can just sell old stuff I have to buy new stuff off promotion when prices lower down. The only time I really buy promotion box is when the deal is good. Like neon redux prize box
Fun fact: I still have an unbound imposto kit I looted from a Winterfest Box back in 2012. The proof is that it is unbound :D
P.S. I do understand your point btw, I just see it differently and I think we can agree to disagree
@ Shamanalah; same here. If I sat on my butt all day I could make a few million cr a month as well. But yeah family and friends come first for me. You have some sense lol I'm not disagreeing with you, like you said I'm just approaching this mental time in a positive manner.
@ Rekkusu; well it was the second time you pointed out my responses were walls of text. I was only making you aware.
Am I not allowed to make a point without it implying I am putting words in your mouth? OCH is a perfect example of how actual new content with actual unique items was obtainable with real money is now obtainable with Energy. In the end OOO does make everyone happy. IB4 you say "I never said OOO don't make us happy".
@ Melonfish; well this promo isn't, so just deal with it as I and others have. Just hope like I am, the gunner update will add 100% of its contents into the game without the need for real money.
*le sigh* I never said OOO don't make us happy.
JK
Anyways I wasn't complaining about the crappy smexy new shield I was complaining about the amount of garbage stuffed with the new stuff and how more than likely you won't get anything new from the promo and how I don't want this new promotion style to continue.
Lol me neither. But the only way to stop it from happening as I have pointed out countless times is to STOP people from buying the Energy packs then. My point is if people are going to carry on buying packs then give me a good reason why OOO should change this method. ROFL it's not OOO who are doing us over, it's those who are still buying the packs. I don't see anywhere OOO forcing us to buy. They haven't even enticed anyone by lowering the pack prices.
If I set something on fire and you stand in it even though I told you, you will get burnt. Then you are stupid for not listening. If OOO didn't tell us beforehand what our chances are when purchasing these packs for the boxes then they are in the wrong. Technically OOO hasn't done anything wrong. Common sense would have kicked in and you guys should have flooded OOO inbox.
Instead of telling us what we know already, someone come up with a way to improve the way things are. But! This may only be a one time thing, lol especially if OOO have read all these comments. So lets calm down and wait patiently for the next update/promo.
Agreed?
Sure, I can't wait for the gunner update I like the Callahan gun a lot.
EDIT: Sorry for going crazy on you but having intense debates with people is fun for me, idk maybe that's weird but what ever. Thanks for your participation. c:
Lol no need to apologise mate. If we don't discuss things how will OOO ever find out what is on everyone's mind.
You guys do know that these items are on the auction house and the trade chat? (Edit: Besides the wings, shield, and aura. Unless you're lucky.) (Edit 2: Wow, a lot of things needs luck.)
Why gamble when you have a 100% of ACTUALLY getting the item you want? So what if it costs a lot, unless you are REALLLLY lucky, you'll probably spend more money on unboxing then actually buying it.
Just sayin'.
we make the purchase for the boxes, the energy is secondary
May I have your CE then? :D I mean, you don't see to care about it...
You guys do know that these items are on the auction house and the trade chat?
So your point is to buy a 50k ce item instead of buying a 3500 ce box and try to get it with luck? Because that's what everybody does... and by everybody I mean Njthug, legobuild and some other people I forgot their names... because no one that doesn't use a credit card has 50k ce laying around for a cosmetic ACCESSORY<---- single form, not plural!
So if you want Orbit Aura with any wings, that's 100k ce... give me a link to a screenshot once you get them from AH or trade and how much you pay for it.... deal?
Even if I had the ce to buy a shield (which I do) I would honestly regret spending it on this. As a f2p player and someone who makes most of his earnings grinding FSC, I would never dream of spending so much. Although I have recently spent around 20kce on a new epic divine Kat costume. But that is beside the point.
I believe it was the shield's appearance that caught people's eyes, not to mention they're limited edition. OOO really hit it off with the design this time.
clearly there is something wrong with the system considering everything doesn't go our way