swords assuming i only have 2 trinks:
hammer + acheron*
hammer + btb
btb + acheron*
*acheron or obsidian (which one should i pick)
guns assuming I chose a gun instead of a second sword
driver, obsidian carbine or polaris
swords assuming i only have 2 trinks:
hammer + acheron*
hammer + btb
btb + acheron*
*acheron or obsidian (which one should i pick)
guns assuming I chose a gun instead of a second sword
driver, obsidian carbine or polaris
I have tried them all but still don't know what to pick :p
Although I'm leaning towards hammer as my main and Acheron or btb as latter.
Acheron is not superior to obsidian edge. Say for instance there's a group capping above me and they can't see me yet. If I bulldozed in with Acheron I would probably die. If I charged the Acheron and walked up to them they would react and start killing me before I could hit with a charge. If I charged my Acheron and let the explosions deal damage to them I'm pretty sure it's not enough to kill them before they all notice me and kill me. If I used obsidian edge however I could use the explosions to poison them. (Btw if I wanted more damage I could use hammer instead of Acheron right?) then I charge in with hammer and pretty much wipe the floor with them cuz hammer + poison is pretty much instakill. If it doesn't kill them the poison will make them too weak to dish out any real damage to me before I kill em. (Poison reduces damage from attacks in LD by.......seriously a lot).
Or I could just charge in quickly and weaken them with btb before finishing with hammer. (Let's assume I have asi, dmg bonus max)
If I used obsidian edge however I could use the explosions to poison them. (Btw if I wanted more damage I could use hammer instead of Acheron right?) then I charge in with hammer and pretty much wipe the floor with them cuz hammer + poison is pretty much instakill.
Obsidian Edge does not have a 100% poison chance, nor will you get close to that with multiple hits as invinciframes prevent it. Either way, you're a fool to attack a crowd if you aren't really good, which I honestly don't think since a really good player should be able to make analyses on their own and not seek advice on the forums.
(Btw if I wanted more damage I could use hammer instead of Acheron right?)
No, Acheron is more powerful.
Or I could just charge in quickly and weaken them with btb before finishing with hammer. (Let's assume I have asi, dmg bonus max)
It makes more sense to take away most of their health with the stronger weapon as you won't risk hitting the opponent more than necessary, thus reducing the time during which you engage in combat and the amount of health you lose or risk losing. Either way, that's not how you should work with weapons. Weapons should synergise with each other and you should use what's appropriate for the situation, not what's appropriate for the enemy's health. Heavy damage dealers should be used when you can hand out punishments, break shields, or easily predict your opponent while a lighter weapon such as BTB is better for plain fencing with a fellow striker.
Obsidian edge may not have 100% poison but it works all of not most of the time for me. I have tried that strategy and I have taken out whole teams using it. I'm not the best at LD but I'm not a noob.
And hold on a sec there are invinciframes? As far as I was concerned all my dvs, hammer, and blitz hits always register unless out of range (unless I missed a patch or something)
Acheron is more powerful than hammer e.e could you elaborate there they didn't buff Acheron THAT much did they?
I guess that last paragraph makes sense. But most of the people ik who play LD and are good always tell me to either weaken them first with a fast weapon then finish with something powerful or just pick them off with a quick weapon.
Anyways, could you just say which duo out of the three weeps would work best together. And what about the guns? :p
loadout 1: btb/acheron + carbine
readon: easy to keep distance and put decent damage before going in to clean up with BTB/acheron.
loadout 2: acheron/hammer
hammer for groups, acheron for 1v1.
And hold on a sec there are invinciframes? As far as I was concerned all my dvs, hammer, and blitz hits always register unless out of range (unless I missed a patch or something)
Yes, yes there are. If you hold a charge or suffer from a shock spasm, they disappear, though. So that's why Blitz and AT Antiguas slaughter bombers.
Acheron is more powerful than hammer e.e could you elaborate there they didn't buff Acheron THAT much did they?
Acheron shares damage values with DA and GF. You can have a closer look here.
Anyways, could you just say which duo out of the three weeps would work best together. And what about the guns? :p
It's still a matter of preference as all three are super strong. Acheron is considered to be the most powerful sword in the game, the Hammer is widely hated as a cheap weapon but it requires quite a bit of technique and BTB is just sick with it's super fast super big hits.
Personally, I've used Acheron+BTB (recently FF) since some while back. The combination allows for a huge amount of rapid hits as you can simply switch swing whenever you've launched three successive hits with one of the weapons. As far as I know, the only users of the combination pre-Acheron buff were Icycute and I but it's become rather common nowadays.
I honestly don't know how to use the hammer very well in LD but using it with BTB would result in something very similar to the standard toothpick+Sealed Sword setup, except that the hammer has the dash which actually changes it all rather drastically.
Either way, I don't think I'd like going without a toothpick. Having a toothpick is pretty friggin' useful as they're super fast and have great range. Acheron is both slower and has a smaller hitbox (although both have a reach of about 1.25 tiles). The hammer is just a lot slower and if you're not good with it, a better player will be able to predict you and hit you pretty much every time you use the dash.
Ty jumamiza that was simple and to the point (you even had reasons :3)
Just one thing, I thought toothpicks outdid brandishes in 1v1 cuz of longer range and being faster?
That depends entirely on the skill of the players. Toothpicks have a much wider hit and they have a super small advantage in range, in addition to some extra speed. Brandishes win the damage range, on the other hand.
Haha Ty for that krakob.
That would explain why I happened to ko them far more easily when they were shocked or bombing. Does the invinciframe work with cutter lines though?and how? Does it like skip the ghost hit or the second hits entirely? And for hammer, how does it work. The dash hits three times so does invinciframe cut off the entire three hits or just the last two?
Hammer isn't hard to use at all, not like Acheron, it has a really wide range and hitbox.
My hammer has asi vh and is dayum fast. I've really gotten use to it and I easily get 10-20k (people complain that I'm a hammer spammer but there is a huge difference between 'spamming' and 'using') i think I'll use hammer over Acheron.
Toothpick over brandish cuz having faster speed longer range is good enough for me. I'll leave the damage up to my hammer as Acheron is a lot harder and dangerous to use imo (cuz u have to get up all close and personal to hit them and Acheron doesn't have knocback so if you can't boost away in time (which happened a lot to me esp with heaps of ppl with asi max) u get hit) with hammer you can hit from a distance and quickly dash away evading damage.
Errr I don't really get that chart 0.o why is the fang of vogs hits doing more damage than the hammer.
Because FoV inflicts more pure damage. That is, before defence is applied. I believe it will in most cases be weaker. Definitely in LD. Here's how defence works: http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Defence
although toothpicks DO have a slight range & speed advantage, I prefer brandish
why?
brandish is only slightly slower (which means it's still insanely fast) and has a much higher damage (I'm looking at you, acheron).
Also, it's easier to "stunlock" players with a brandish than with a toothpick, although toothpick stunlocking is still possible*
My preferred loadout is actually brandish + toothpick, but it seems most people can't use them together.
2 fast weapons > 1 slow & 1 fast (imo)
*read: requires good placement and "reading" of enemy's movements
I'm not bad with brandish + toothpick so I might use this set as
Why do you say it's easier to stun lock with brandish? Also....both of these swords aren't very good in a group right?
Toothpicks are good vs crowds. They have great reach while also being fast, allowing you to strike and often hit many opponents and then move away very quickly.
Hmmmm if you say so...I guess toothpicks are a keeper then.
Now I'll just pick either btb + Acheron or btb + hammer
Honestly Acheron and btb is pretty brokenly overpowered if you can get it to work right. However I have seen one hammer + btb player whose pretty op too so I can't exactly say there's much of a difference. Hammer allows you to be move swift and move around more than Acheron but hammers dash also disables invinciframes so you could potentially lose a lot of health over it. Acheron is fast but once you're out of boost with it you're screwed(unless you got guns with it). You also got to ask yourself do you want to use auto target to be great with one of these combination since its not exactly easy to be overpowering using a non-AT brandish.
PS Acheron is for nubs, elemental brandishes ftw
^ It's kind of the point that being OP shouldn't be easy, which is why brandishes/hammer+AT is so dirty.
Acheron is superior to Obs E. I'd say, try all combinations and see which one you like the most.