Spiral Knights - Petition for BAN auto

Petition for BAN auto - aimbot !

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Sun, 03/23/2014 - 13:54

Achys

We all know that self-referred (AT / AA) case we know the trick, I propose that OOO we remove this useless option!

Take an example of the FCS, how you manage to break the wheels in this level? Of course you remove your self-referred, so why continue to put?

In Lockdown, I find it unnecessary. (except for noob with vh asi who can not play)

We are on a free game and I think this game is cheated because of it!

To all (those who find this option useless), I ask you to follow me and do all we can to developers we removed!

During an update, they we had withdrawn, why have delivered?

Thanks all good players who do not need to cheat to play !

Follow me !

Achys

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 14:09

Arcknightdelta

Not this again

Are you telling me everyone that uses Auto Aim are cheaters? Ok then start your useless crusade from here then.

http://www.giantbomb.com/auto-aim/3015-145/games/

You're probably very good at LD. So why does it bother you if "noobs" are using AA/AT? Sorry but I see you protesting banning AA/AT a few times now. It's not going to happen.

Unless OOO makes a no AA/AT server. Would that satisfy you?

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 14:15

Thunder-The-Bright

gods ain't gonna help you, son.

AT is not an aimbot. its primary funcion is to make aim easier for those who don't have perfect connections. it does give its advanteges, but not as much as people believe. seach for krakob's thread on AT, it tells interesting things.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 15:07

Dibsville

Well, I'm someone who hasn't had 4 bars since an update in early January, I've come to like toggling my AT seeing as, you know, I have a huge delay now every time I play so there's some areas where it's literally impossible to even play without using AT.

"Thanks all good players who do not need to cheat to play !"

Not having AT would just be Three Rings cheating me out of even being able to play the game because Three Rings can't keep a solid connection anywhere. And don't tell me that it's just my connection that's bad, because I can play any other game that requires plenty more CPU usage than Spiral Knights just fine, yet every time I'm on SK I have a 1-2 second delay on everything I do.

And cool fact: I don't even use AT and I'm still defending it. AT does have its benefits, but it also has some drawbacks. Always turning to the side when you don't want to is one I find quite often when I do use AT, which is very rarely.

If some guy in LD with ASI VH and 4 bars and like 0 ping has to use it, then that's their problem. They clearly suck at LD, and there's nothing more to be said about it.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 15:09

Arcknightdelta

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 15:28

Draycos

AT is the least of Lockdown's problems.

Balance. Macros. Recon visuals. All those are more important to fix (or give the boot to).

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 16:56

Fehzor

Oh stahp, you're making me want to spammily left click with a toothpic using AT nowww.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:00

Achys

Guys, if you do not

Guys, if you do not understand my approach, not just post nonsense .

I know very well that some players play with 2-3 bars, but take as an example: feller , he plays with 2 bars without your AT, which you are so attached ... do not throw the blame on your connection, and then buy you fiber ...

When I see scores of 38-42 K with AT , I do not see the point of going to repeat all the world ! Or is the merit ? Are you happy you exceed your record , okay ... but it's time to learn to play, especially if you are armored asi and show it to the public. ( personally I pulled a score of 26 k full vog so no AT asi am not a monk ... you may very well play full vog if you have no asi )

I think the game would be more fun and new players ( beginners - free asi ) LD come more often ! At least they will not smash a shot brandish AT . And we would have more players, and thus more participants for an upcoming tournament!

See for yourself !

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:15

Fehzor

Yea and I hate playing with Feller because he's good and kills me. So can we ban him?

He just doesn't feel very fair when I have to go to play Lockdown, and get stuck up against him... the same goes for all of the "skilled" people that don't use autotarget and can steam roll entire teams. Can't we get rid of them instead? It would make lockdown more enjoyable for those of us that lack skill completely.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:28

Achys

Training - Training ! I

Training - Training !

I started to play as any beginner ! and i find myself in a tournament as i progress !

If you blow it, it's normal! we all lived it ! But do not give up !

Fehzor, in any game, you are forced to gain experience ... this is a logical ! So I do not see why we should ban players who have to sweat up a level pro !

But we digress ...

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:38

#10

Dibsville

@Achys

How many bars do you have on a regular basis?

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 17:52

#11

Achys

Dibsille : i have 4 bars (

Dibsille : i have 4 bars ( i'm french player) / USA 2 bars

Why that question lol ?

Players have 2 bars and come to play well, why? because they have become accustomed :)

Buy you a connection that is easy to understand :) And an important thing also : Configure your java from Thrillaus !

But I do not know or is his post, sorry :/

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:29

#12

Vesperaldus

I use a controller. Do you

I use a controller. Do you realize that aiming is nearly IMPOSSIBLE with a controller? You simply cannot get precision with it unless you use Auto Target. Other people use controllers too, I'm not the only one. Granted, I don't always use a controller, but using one can make the game 10x more fun... unless you take Auto Target away.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 18:35

#13

Mushy-Bucket

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"AT is the least of Lockdown's problems.
Balance. Macros. Recon visuals. All those are more important to fix (or give the boot to)."

Ok, so if AT/AA is cheating, then obviously using Acherons or Chaos is cheating, and so is ASI High, VH, and any Max UVs. Oh wait, that's awful logic. Also, you cannot use Feller as a representation of people with 2 bars - I'm surprised you even went there. You don't seem to realize that he has incredibly expensive gear and is probably one of the top players in LD history (All hail Contri), so he is not a valid comparison to the majority of other LD players. AT/AA really isn't even a very major advantage. Based on some tests i did, it's clearly possible to do full 180 degree turns with two-hit swords, and spam combos just as well.
You sound a lot like the other rich players who can't stand the idea of losing to anyone who isn't rich, so they bash other players for any possible reason. They say that AT is for noobs and think everyone should be as good as them. The problem is that they really don't understand, and especially don't try to understand, what it's like to have a bad connection. I used to get 1-2 bars all the time, until I switched to Ethernet. LD was literally impossible without AT with such a bad ping.

Refer to Krakky's page about how AT really isn't that big of an advantage anyway.

"Buy you a connection that is easy to understand"
Ok, what I've deduced from this horribly-written fragment is that you want those people with 2 bars to buy a better connection. Well, many of those players with 2 bars have perfect internet. It's because the servers are total crap, and most people aren't gonna move closer to the servers just so they can kill more people in a F2P MMO's PvP game.

You know what I think a lot of the people who say "AT is cheating and people who use it (no matter what their circumstances are) are noobs" sound like? They sound the IRL rich snobs who say poor people are poor because they're lazy and don't wanna work.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 19:22

#14

Draycos

Did you, uh... copy the wrong post, or something, Mushy?

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 20:25

#15

Mushy-Bucket

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Nah,
I just forgot to say that I agreed with you, haha.

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 21:00

#16

Vesperaldus

Analogy and parody by

Analogy and parody by replacing the Auto Target arguments with GPS arguments:
"GPS's should stop being manufactured because they are completely useless. People should just learn to read maps and if they can't that means they are stupid. Using a GPS is only taking the easy way out and that's not fair to those who can't afford a GPS. We should make things equal and force everyone to use a map every time they want to go somewhere. People don't need crutches to help them get somewhere, they should just learn how to read that darn map! We live in a knowledgeable society so we shouldn't have to rely upon a GPS to tell us how to get somewhere when we can just as easily look at a map. A GPS is only really necessary for the rich people who are lazy and those who didn't learn how to read maps in school. We should stop relying on GPS's because we won't ever learn how to read a map. I like to feel smart, so if people can't use a GPS, it will make me feel smarter because I know they will be lost and confused when GPS's are finally no longer manufactured. For everyone who can read a map, let's talk to the President about getting these things outlawed because GPS's are completely worthless because people can just learn to read a dang map already!"

Sun, 03/23/2014 - 21:10

#17

Mushy-Bucket

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That was beautiful.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 01:04

#18

Mookie-Cookie

No.

EDIT: Never mind.

Just no.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 03:02

#19

Achys

Good good ... Arrived at my

Good good ... Arrived at my level when I put the AT I'm easy 35 K, there is nothing complicated! (even without so to speak, but less easily)

And when I play against people who are bursting mouth, they say: "Achys stop your cheat, I'm sure you have software to not die or see enemies off or I do not know what else! that is hilarious!

In fact this game is on PC?
Why talk about controller? Your point of view is useless here ... just to tell me that you feel compelled you to put your AT to know how to play!

In short, if everybody does not agree, each good players who make a reputation and a crazy level, will the AT too, and you will knock and you're still crying.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 07:32

#20

Bleyken

PS: If you disagree with me you will become a flying pony.

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 08:18

#21

Arcknightdelta

a flying pony?

I would like that! From now on I shall be called the Almighty-Pegasus(Arcknightdelta)

Mon, 03/24/2014 - 08:29

#22

Seiran

@Mushy-Bucket:
Achys is a native French speaker.

@Achys:
Because the game is on PC, you should expect some people will try to play with controllers.
Classic PC flying games --> joystick
Simple PC games --> controller

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To hit someone, you must have:
- Aim
- Timing
- Position (of your character)

AT does not help timing/positioning, which are player skills more important than aim. Why do you think AT is so important then?

Timing is the most important. Even with 4 bar connection as a gunner, I need to time my shots to account for bullet speed and enemy speed (AT does not compensate for movement or bullet speed!). When I play with swords, my timing is bad, so I miss from attacking too early or too late even if I use ultra ASI toothpick or max ASI DA.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 04:21

#23

Achys

I understand Seiran , all is

I understand Seiran , all is not wrong ^ ^

Big Up !!

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 08:28

#24

Achys

the masters of the game: a

the masters of the game: a solution!

less work for you and well - being for us players LD :)

Remove self - aimbot

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 12:24

#25

Fangel

Remove auto target?

No.
You would never be wanting this had PvP never been added, and PvP is a minigame. Don't adjust the entire game for the sake of a minigame.

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 18:27

#26

Pipipipipi

Behold, the evil squares take over the world!

This thread gets a big fat...

REJECTED STAMP

Tue, 03/25/2014 - 19:51

#27

Not-Argljing

-1

Whoever disagrees with me gets turned into a yucky cupcake, they don't taste good unlike normal cupcakes

*Turns Contri into a incredibly yucky cupcake*

Wed, 03/26/2014 - 17:19

#28

Usevnsevnsixfivfor

@Achys

Could you tell me your suggestion, but this time, take out anything that is related to Lockdown.

Mhmm. I thought so.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 05:55

#29

Achys

Supprimer l'auto - visée , c'est trop simple de jouer !

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl0t0Z0vly8

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 18:56

#30

Hyper-Galactic

I'll fix this petition's wording for you.

"Please auto-detect and ban usage of keyboard & mouse macros."

Macros aren't readily available to everyone playing SK, and are against ToS I think?

Some of those shield cancel + weapon switch + attack + perfect aim (there's movement tricks while IN the attack sequence that basically double up the range and time of the attack's effectiveness.) combos happening in what appears like a single frame/click are from macro users. What defines a "macro" may not fit what some think, but a lot of "gaming" mice come with installable software that let you set like 5 buttons and delays between "actions" triggered by a single click. Some people have admitted they use the mouse software described, but I won't name them here as that's against forum rules.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 21:18

#31

Bamzalot

+0*

Huh. This is my second Proto rated thread in about half an hour. I'm going to try finding some more!

Now, I am having a hard time understanding what this thread is suggesting. But that's mostly because if it is what I think it is, it's bad.

"Well, that guy got more points than me in PvP and we all know that SK revolves around Lock Down. He must be using AT and as such must be banned forever and executed!" This is the first thing that popped up into my mind while reading.

"For some reason, us awesome amazing godlike omnipotent SK players are being killed in the holy relic that is Lock Down. I blame AT and as such, anyone who has ever used it EVER, must die on a flaming torch being launched into space!" This was my second thought.

"I hate AT because it makes Lock Down easier for people who use it and therefore it needs to be removed from the entire game period. And even if you have a single bar of connection, what ever. Lock Down is far superior so I don't care!" This is my last thought and seems to be the most likely.

Auto target is a good thing, your just in the wrong place.

Fri, 03/28/2014 - 23:27

#32

Hexzyle

Let me ask you a question.

Does a player's accuracy when using Auto Target increase by a greater percentage than their health is increased when using Heart Pendants? I think not.

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 10:00

#33

Valtiros

HI!

Well,I totally agree with achys.
I woudn't totally forbid AA in lockdown , but I d rather create a new server especially for people who don t use it.

AA allows people who don t use all theyr skills to aim notwithstanding it.
U say that it is to help people who have lags to target but U must notice that many people who lag are able to play without AT.
Personnally, I hardly lag , everytime and I never even thought about using Auto aim.

The problem is that is spoils the game, it enables to play taking no heed about a part of the skills that are required in lockdown.
For instance, u can see noob who play with auto aim who are able to give some hit at random thanks to AA whereas they woud never have managed to do so.

That s why , I think it would be good to Create a server for skills people who want to play exclusively skills. The others are free to carry on using their "help".

Wed, 04/02/2014 - 11:19

#34

Fangel

Dangit, why can't this thread just die

Auto-Target is here to help. If you're angry that someone got a hit in that you won't, then use auto-target to your advantage.
Auto-Target doesn't make a player good. Ping, skill, and reaction times are far more important, and they aren't exactly something that everyone has access to from step one.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 16:52

#35

Cetren

Lockdown

Just ban it from lockdown, duh, P.S. I don't even use and I am still fairrrly good at lockdown

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 20:59

#36

Zaderules

Why ban AA? As an inactive player for MANY months now, I can't believe this argument is still going on.

Honestly, why care about AA? because it's unfair/cheating and it doesn't show skill?

PFFT. Sonny. You want a game with skill? Go play MOBA games like Dota 2 or HoN or LoL. Those games showcase REAL skill. Enough skill for you to make $$$ off of. What's the purpose of SK? to have FUN. NOT to showcase one's SKILL. SK is a casual game. Majority of MOBA games are the competitive games. Now, I'm not saying you can't be competitive in SK. I'm just saying don't treat SK like you need to properly measure one's skill in the game.

If you are annoyed? How bout you find ways to counter it? If you are that butt hurt about dying to AA all the time, ask other people! The game is a SOCIAL game as well! There are people out there on SK that have found ways to counter the AA. Go and ask them! I have countered AA easily before and I'm sure other people have as well.

So, in conclusion: Forget this guy's petition, he just needs help having fun.

Why change something to satisfy the minority, while you already have it satisfying the majority? Who knows. Only people that like to cause ruckus would want to do that.

Fri, 04/04/2014 - 23:56

#37

Hearthstone

I live in the South East of the South East Asia. Try playing a simple game of LD without AT from here, while having a roommate/sibling siphon your connection.

"Just ban it from lockdown, duh, P.S. I don't even use and I am still fairrrly good at lockdown"

And your point is...? You're just one person. Majority of the others who play LD who also don't have a good enough connection to enjoy a game of LD use AT to be able to do as much as other players.

"That s why , I think it would be good to Create a server for skills people who want to play exclusively skills. The others are free to carry on using their "help"."

Part of the community who play LD don't use AT is slightly more than those who don't. There would be a growing demand for LD players if this would be implemented.

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