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Sat, 04/19/2014 - 06:39
Arilys's picture
Arilys

... to be polite? Or did my parents just do a really good job at educating me?

I mean, does it really cost people that much to type in a "hi" when joining or being joined by someone on a run? Or thanking people if they pretty much carried you through some of the more difficult levels? I still remember the times when one would join a random group to make our way to Basil (way back before the mission system was even a thing), and we'd just end up talking about stuff or making jokes as we went. More often than not I'd end up taking or sending a few friend requests so we could do runs together again.
Now most times I greet a group I get no answer, whatever conversations I try to start are ignored and Vog forbid someone take a little longer to gather up the loot lest they get kicked out of the group. Sometimes this just makes the runs feel like a chore instead of something I started doing for fun.

I guess that's why I started doing solo runs or going with the two or three friends I have that haven't become Lockdown drones yet: if I solo I can just mess around with whatever gear I want and still have fun, and with my friends I can do that and also have a nice talk along the way.

Sorry if I got a bit ranty there. I'm just upset that knights aren't as polite as they used to be. :p

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 06:54
#1
Skyguarder's picture
Skyguarder

For players to not greet, thank each other, etc... in-game, they would have to be extremely lazy.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 07:11
#2
Cinoa's picture
Cinoa
Fun... Is... INFINITE.

I like to say hi, but when I do I think I'm being obnoxious, Especially when I keep chatting.
About voice chat, I think it's annoying (no offense I just turn it off) and I think it would be annoying for other people if I used it.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 07:23
#3
Blazzberry's picture
Blazzberry
I have no mouth and I need to scream

I usually lead parties in my clockwork runs. Although I don't technically say "hi" I always do the / wave emote to everyone I meet in game. If I don't say anything its most likely because you or someone else joined in the midst of a fight. It's insanely hard to talk and fight at the same time.

People going afk for 5 minutes/picking up crowns doesn't bother me because Im actually patient. This goes in great lengths when I play with those I deem as "friends".

However for the second part you mention about carrying others most people don't want to admit it, even if its blatantly obvious. It just hurts more egos than it does more good. The person admitting to being the dead weight on the team is an entirely different story.

All in all, those old days are gone as most players nowadays would go out of their way to make the party leader furious. An example would be joining at the start of a deconstruction zone, grabbing the key and jetting straight for the prize room. Stuff like this can turn players off from playing with randoms(like it did to you, OP) and just kills the team aspect of the game tbh.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 07:44
#4
Dibsville's picture
Dibsville

I personally always do the '/wave' emote every time I join a party or someone joins the party I'm in. Really, I just find it common courtesy to do it. I'm greeting everyone there.

After a run, I always say:
"Thanks for the run."
"Dibsville gives thanks."

The only time I don't say this after a run is if I got invited to a very short run (like 2 or 3 depths), and in that case, I say "Thanks for the invite." rather than "Thanks for the run." However, I still do the '/thank' emote right after.

I don't mind people not saying anything, because I'm usually running Arcade, so I'll accept anyone who joins me with open arms.

That said, I prefer solo play.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 07:47
#5
Arilys's picture
Arilys

@Cinoa

I wasn't even talking about the voice chat; I completely forgot about it because I always have it off :P What I meant was greeting people in the chat, be it with a simple "Hi" or with the /wave or /hi commands.

@Blazzberry

I usually won't greet anyone in the middle of a fight (I don't want to get killed while I'm typing, after all :P), but I will greet them once it's over. I'm fine with people going around getting loot they might have missed and I don't mind them going afk if they warn us (IMO, that's the polite way to go about that).

I guess I worded the second part a bit weirdly. I didn't mean that they should admit to being carried. I meant that it would be nice to thank your party whether they were better or worse than you during the run. :p

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 08:00
#6
Sandwich-Potato's picture
Sandwich-Potato

I'm usually running Arcade, so I'll accept anyone who joins me with open arms.

Me: Do you mind if I join?
Me: inb4 Yes.
Dibsville: Yes.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 08:44
#7
Bopp's picture
Bopp
agree, but

I agree that players should do some basic greeting ("hi", /wave, etc.) and farewell ("bye", "thanks", etc.).

Keep in mind that many players are not native English speakers, and hence may have trouble doing more conversation than "hi" and "bye". They may not understand your small talk. Or they may understand it but not know how to respond.

For example, I have a friend who is extremely warm and whose English is quite good. But even he takes a while to type his English. So I always have to remember to give him extra time in conversations.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 09:09
#8
Arilys's picture
Arilys

@Bopp

I know and understand that, and I don't mind if people just give a greeting but don't bother getting in on a conversation because they don't understand it. Being unable to understand/speak a language isn't the same as being impolite.

I do have a hard time believing that most parties I joined lately only had non-English speakers that couldn't type any English whatsoever, not even a "hi", "bye" or "thanks" :p

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 09:10
#9
Hero-Of-Cheese's picture
Hero-Of-Cheese
Cheese for you

Come join me in a run. I like when I can have a conversation or crack jokes with people. Makes the run all the more better.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 09:16
#10
Eternal-Koniko's picture
Eternal-Koniko
Why does it matter if people

Why does it matter if people talk? From what I've noticed when you start a conversation with someone it tends to take over the run, and become careless so you can get to the next area where you can talk for a while.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 09:17
#11
Chromosver's picture
Chromosver
I'm so funny I should be a forum clown or something..

Maybe the problem is expecting other players to act and behave like ourselves?

Let me put it another way; How would you respond to a player who thinks "I don't really like talking to other people while playing this free game, so I'm just going to ignore this party member who started chatting us up after he joined up." "Ugh, he's getting into it, but I'm not going to tell him to [Oh noes bad wordies] off, even if he's starting to get on my nerves." /ignore

Or perhaps the more polite thing to do is type "please stop talking:D"?

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 10:27
#12
Arilys's picture
Arilys

@Eternal-Koniko

"... become careless so you can get to the next area where you can talk for a while."

That's where you draw the line. There's a difference between light conversation and jokes and something that should be talked about outside of runs.

That's beside the point anyway; this was more about people that don't even bother to greet someone or thank the party after a run. I guess it might just be me, but I usually think that people like that just think they're better than anyone else.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 10:34
#13
Shidara's picture
Shidara
オーッス!

I usually just give people a salute (/sal) rather than an oral greeting. I don't mind people wanting to start a conversation, I quite welcome it, but you won't find me initiating conversations on my own so much. I'll confess that I am a bit lazy when the time to disband comes, however.

And since VOIP was brought up I'll chime in, too. I don't see much use of this feature as the majority of Knights I come across either have a really bad laptop mic or some such that picks up on the fan or other loud background noises, and the biggest offenders are those who play music without a headset. I generally mute these before they get a chance to speak. As such I keep it on push-to-talk as not to disturb Knights who don't wish to converse using VOIP. (Though it's pretty hard to tell when anybody does, as it usually takes somebody to speak up first.)

If I'm not in the mood for chatter I'll usually reply that "I don't feel particularly talkative at the moment."

So yeah, that's me in a nuthsell. I'm open to expeditions should you see fit to invite me along for a chat or just to maul some enemies. Name's the same as on here if you want to send a FQ, just leave a message you saw my post on the forums if you do.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 10:57
#14
Gianor's picture
Gianor
It's a bloody MMO.

MMO's: Where maturity and good grammar go to die.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 11:27
#15
Mystrian's picture
Mystrian

Gianor post #14:
"MMO's: Where maturity and good grammar go to die.

Its even worse when people have lag.

I say hi, but when I start conversations I sometimes get kicked because of how slow I type. So I either type during loading screens or at basil.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 11:49
#16
Fangel's picture
Fangel
There are various reasons for not talking

People covered most of the reasons already, but honestly, I just don't really like talking during runs. I may seem as if I'm ignoring you, but often I just don't know how to respond to your smalltalk.

If people ask me a question I'll usually respond, but other than that I only really talk with emotes in my clockworks runs. I'm a much more chatty person in Haven, but when we fight things I put my focus there.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 12:24
#17
Arilys's picture
Arilys

@Fangel

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/99830#comment-905205

"That's beside the point anyway; this was more about people that don't even bother to greet someone or thank the party after a run. I guess it might just be me, but I usually think that people like that just think they're better than anyone else."

To be honest, I don't care if people talk during the actual run or not. I'm usually quiet because I do need to pay attention to whatever is coming my way, and only do a bit of chit chat after battles or when someone is gathering up loot (sometimes not even then, if it's a random party I joined).
Again, there's a difference between wanting to talk during a run and just being polite enough to greet people or thank them for the run.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 12:26
#18
Flowchart's picture
Flowchart

People sometimes notice I don't talk a lot during runs, it's mostly because I'm using a controller to play and to talk, I have to move it to one hand so I can use the keyboard. Not always something I can do during a fight.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 16:52
#19
Crashburnboom's picture
Crashburnboom
Bad Luck

You've just been extremely unlucky :P. Most people I've partied with are generally social, but you yourself need to be more social-ish.

Though, sometimes you're in an anti-social group and you should just concentrate on playing the game. However, if I'm asked a question, or if anyone talks, then I ALWAYS respond. It's starting the conversation for some people like me. Comment on the situation esp. a funny one; try commenting on deaths, derping, lagging, updates, rarities found, funny/ridiculous situations (multiple people going after the same enemy, hiding in the Jelly Mound in RJP :D), etc.
Be more expressive and talkative. If you lol, chances are someone else will lol. It starts with a "LOL" and ends with a friend request. :)

Get some "friends". Even if you don't know them, they will generally be much more talkative then just some random folks. (Personally, I just assume whomever is on my friend list is a friend as I can't remember everyone :P)

And as stated before, sometimes when someone joins you during battle, the last thing they are going to do is say hi.

However generally (in my opinion), most of the "social people" you'd like are now grinding the missions as there is little incentive to run the clockworks atm. (Like me)

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 19:37
#20
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Usevnsevnsixfivfor

"if I'm asked a question, or if anyone talks, then I ALWAYS respond"

Can you join us in the Count to 5,000 thread?

@thread
I'll occassionally ask a question in game or during a run, but it would be easy to determine that I am a grumpy old man (which I am not) by the way I kick people out of FSC without proper gear. If you want me talking stuff, ask me on the forums or in the Town Square, if I'm on.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 19:45
#21
Addy's picture
Addy
I gauge how talkative I'll be

I gauge how talkative I'll be depending on who I'm with, as odd as that sounds. Some people don't like chatty partymates and I just wanna cooperate, so I'll /wave, if they say hi, I'll say hellooo, etc. etc.

oh, and I usually laugh if I die in a stupid way. B)

It's pretty rare that I find somebody who won't even greet or say "gg" but I suppose you've just been unlucky.

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 22:11
#22
Gasguzzler's picture
Gasguzzler
/salute

I always did find chatty party members to be a lot more fun (and skilled). Even if we talk while getting mauled by Gremlins. Not to mention small talk and friendly banter seems to power me up a little in a Lockdown fight. :P That or I don't notice when some guy is talking when I drop my Triglav on them. D:

Sat, 04/19/2014 - 23:12
#23
Untrustful's picture
Untrustful
I can vouch for the 2nd post,

I can vouch for the 2nd post, I'm too lazy to say hello to people.

Sun, 04/20/2014 - 15:03
#24
Poomph's picture
Poomph
Nobody ever carried me through levels :|

I still remember the time Legion of Almire came out. The leader of the first party I joined told me to get out because, "I was weak." I was a defender elite at the time.

Mon, 04/21/2014 - 00:39
#25
Dannyxcore's picture
Dannyxcore
If I'm using my PS3

If I'm using my PS3 controller, then I'll stay quiet. Unless if someone greets then I'll greet back.

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