if you check the wiki, mask of seerus only give you an ASI of low, so overall it is going to be an ASI of high and CTR of med, definately a better combo over full nameless with VH ASI, again, it is really depending on what kind of guns you are getting. Blitz needle and alchemer benefit the most from CTR, so for now, you might as well get a shadow sun slicker, that armor would sure come in handy in the fiend/undead missions ahead.

I think Seerus is the best match for nameless poncho. It synergises very well because it rounds out your status resistances, gives you full ele defence, gives you high ASI which matches perfectly with a Swifty. The CTR will also be nice to have when the gunner update comes around and you want to spam that calla charge all day long.

You can always get damage boost from trinks and perks.

The idea was I don't want to rely on swifty in tier 3 where I'm liable to get my butt handed to me. And my main already has chaos set.

Okay, that's reasonable.

Damage isn't interesting. I want ASI.

I don't see how ASI is more interesting than damage. They're both pretty dull, slight, quantitative (rather than qualitative) improvements. But this is personal preference, so okay.

And I'm only doing missions once, it's wasteful to get a helmet based solely on the missions it's good for.

I don't understand this statement. Whatever helmet you get will be great for some missions, fine for others, and poor for others. How is Shadowsun or Perfect Mask of Seerus more specialized than Nameless or Justifier? Or are you saying that you don't want to run OCH three times to get the materials for PMoS?

In fact, are you saying that you'd like a general loadout that works pretty well everywhere? Then why would you go for all normal+elemental defense? Why not get a mixture of normal+elemental+shadow defense? (Piercing can be omitted; it is dramatically less important.)

The point about being expensive is that I can't change armors. Therefore I can't use both pieces of shadowsun.

Yes, I understand that you don't want to get a new suit. I'm just talking about the helmets. You should consider all of the helmets.

I can't see where anyone has said "shadowsun is best because it's good against FSC". In fact, I regard elemental protection to be more important than shadow protection in FSC.

Instead, people such as me have said that Shadowsun is good because (A) it delivers blanket damage bonus, which you can't get through UVs by the way, and (B) it protects against the many of the most vicious monsters in the game: devilites, greavers, gorgos, and kats.

For some reason, you regard elemental armor as applicable to all situations, and shadow armor as applicable to only a few situations. I regard elemental armor as useful in many situations (including some nasty monsters such as mecha knights and thwackers) and shadow armor as useful in many situations (including many nasty monsters).

You should go for full Nameless since Wolvers are already mincemeat against Callahan and Freeze is usually more deadly than Stun.

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Although generally Shadowsun is the goto 5* gunner armor, I would argue that since the OP wants to focus on Callahan and Umbra Driver, ASI is better for making the guns less awkward to use. In my experience, ASI helps make single gun switching easier, which will be necessary for Callahan and Umbra Driver, although once you get PMoS you can just charge spam with Umbra.

You are not required to act faster at all; being too slow won't screw you over, it just means that the combo/clip will reset without switching. On the other hand, being too fast may make you shoot your entire clip, which is not what you want. Having more ASI allows you to shield cancel faster and therefore, you're less likely to screw up.

As cliche as it is, the perfect mask of seerus is your best option. It has the two resists that matter most and good offensive stats to boot. A single low less ASI really isn't that bad, and the CTR will benefit at least your umbra driver. Who knows, maybe callahan/argent will get buffed later and benefit from it too. You could always check the testing server forum to gauge how likely this is.

I really don't think it will matter so much whether you get full nameless or mixed nameless/justifier. Having an additional bit of ice resistance or stun resistance isn't going to make a tremendous difference, and having piercing would make you slightly better against slimes and beasts, if you're into that sort of thing.

Okay. It's just that, whenever I talk with you on these forums, I get the feeling that you haven't quite understood my point. You often seem to respond to some other argument, slightly different from the one I'm making.

For example, your King of Ashes argument is a response to someone who is not in this thread. I get that now.

Your "fiend/undead missions ahead" argument is a response to Midnight-Dj. Great. But you still have not responded to the core of my argument: the big paragraphs in post #4, post #7, and post #9.

Ultimately, you can get whatever you want, of course. And you're an experienced player, so you'll succeed with any reasonable gear. I just wish that we could stop talking past each other.

By "big paragraphs" I'm talking about three-line paragraphs. When you ask for help, it's reasonable for me to expect you to read three lines, to get the help that you asked for. My posts are not anything like a wall of text.

I understand that you want ASI, not damage bonus. In fact, you will not consider non-ASI armor. Hence my Shadowsun recommendation is a non-starter. That's fine.

Lack of ASI was only part of your argument against Shadowsun. You also made some statements implying that Shadowsun was expensive. You also tried to make an argument that Nameless and Justifier are applicable to many more missions than Shadowsun. I was trying to clarify these non-ASI points. We never should have needed a long discussion to resolve them.

So enjoy your new armor. It will serve you well. Cheers.

That was not my argument. It's not WHAT people recommended that was the problem in and of itself, it was their REASONING.

That's exactly how I feel about this thread. You and I agreed on the conclusions quickly, but we kept arguing about how those conclusions were arrived at.

Finally, according to my calculations, I will never be able to max both damage AND asi on all my guns without shelling out for trinks/slots. So I'd rather have ASI max and damage bonus high than vice versa.

You don't need to justify your preference for ASI over damage. I already accepted that as personal preference in post #7.

Happy travels.

It's not that you can't max both. You simply refuse to.

I'd honestly recommend you get something with shadow and shock resistance since if I recall correctly you posted a thread admitting that grievers weren't your cup of tea, and facing shadow anything normally provides higher payout. (Shadow dealing characters are the biggest threat in my opinion)

I don't see why you're wasting your time with an alt but to each their own.

Your preference for asi is lost on me as well, seeing as you're going to be shooting a lot I figured Swiftcarp buckler would've taken care of your speed needs without providing much hindrance to the style preferred by RANGED weapons but again, to each their own. I'd say you should just pick a shield (it wouldn't matter what i told you to get because you'd have some argument against it i'm sure, i simply recommend you decide what bullet or melee you'll be facing and equip accordingly). The most damaging thing you'll have to deal with ideally is bullets, but you know this already.

Alchemers love charges, the rest of your guns show little preference either way atm. So yeah, have fun.

ASI is preferred by pure gunners in Lockdown for mobility, but that's probably the only place where Swiftstrike's ASI boost isn't enough for a gunner.