I'd buy mist tanks from them gremlin spies any day, You got my vote

I support this idea completely. :)

Sounds interesting but the amount of ME contained in the tank might have to be tweaked. How much were you thinking?

This is actually something I agree with, although I disagree that newbies need any more help getting from T1 to T2.

I agree completely with this. Money comes from money. The pros would have invested a lot of real life money into this so it's only expected they have LOTS of virtual crowns at the end game. I'm sure OOO can see the viability of enticing new players who spend real life cash than the pros who will in the end use crowns to generate whatever equip and UVs they really want. They're not stupid enough to pour more cash in if they can just convert the limitless amount they have from alchemise 100x for specific UVs and selling the left overs since they'll have the funds at endgame to do so. And most, like monkeyman said, are unlikely to restart since at current there are no benefits to such a task (which is also an issue that must b e resolved if the mist tanks vendors come into play)

But out of all the complaining about energy and offered solution, these types are in my opinion, still the best because it compromises very little of OOO profits (relative to opinions) while attracting a lot of new players. Who actually spends CE on runs or reviving anyways? As far as I can tell, most people are quite precious about their CE and only uses it for crafting. Once these players get into 2* equipment, like me they would be willing to spend at least $20 on a starter pack. Wouldn't this mean it matters very little difference if these mist tank vendors are deployed?

Monkeyman, you have a point, but if OOO doesn't take any risks (of course, choosing the lowest risks), its virtually impossible to make further profits out of the game if all their current players just ragequit and give bad reviews?

At this point, im pretty sure everyone would be a lot happier with something rather than nothing, so yes, that is a great idea too. My only concern would be that then crowns are being introduced into the economy without anything taking them out leading to inflation. Would you care to explain how you see this being implemented?

Another suggestion for OOO and players assist each other in reaching a compromise:

What about limited regen for storage of ME?

so obviously 100 ME storage is too much. like you said, there's a great probability people will abuse it. So instead every day you are away you can store 10-20 ME in an EMPTY tank you've alchemised from crowns (say 500), some CE (say 2 CE) and a certain amount of one type of material (say 20). For those of you who feel alchemising CE for ME is stupid, perhaps we could leave and option where you can spend 1500 crowns and no CE (with price of CE still rising i'm sure this will be well received). The tanks are no larger than a mini ME tank in the game so you can do only 1 extra depth.

This is still making people buy CE for everything because an extra mini mist tank has pretty much no impact on your ability to farm extra crowns; Takes crowns AND materials out of the economy so prices stay relatively stable instead of plummeting once everyone reaches end game; attracts lots of people who see it as a long term advantage; You're not losing ALL ME for the day you can't be there so players will feel less penalised by the game.

'some' will always sound better to people than 'nothing'.

I agree with renaldi here.

Buying Mist Energy IS a problem to the company but be unable to play the game as much you want is a problem too (specially when you just started playing).

The limit of 1 tank per day~48 hours for 2k would be perfect.
Plus make it impossible to be bough if you already have one in your inventory (so, no stacking).

I have played since the June 15th. Saw someone mention in WoW that you get a free TF2 hat for playing and I figured why not. I have not spent any currency on this game and I have reached full 3 Star gear, now at L10. I have almost 10k cn and 200 CE. I haven't really had a time where I couldn't run Clockwork because I didn't have enough mist energy (those 15me from recruit a friend and the 100 from achievements helped for the little time I couldn't). My recipes include, cautery sword, fireburst brandish, tempered calibur, cryotech alchemer mk II, ash tail cap, dusker cap, wolver cap, ash tail coat, dusker coat, wolver coat, skelly suit, boosted plate shield, horned owlite shield, owlite shield. Again, all this and a few more 3 star and two one star recipes all from in game CN.

I have made a priority of buying CE with my CN until I have about 200-300 CE then I run JK. Take the CN from those runs and buy recipes and/or more CE. Rince and Repeat. I'm now starting to work on crafting my Ash Tail Coat, Cap and my 4 star weapon. Now I will say it was easy when CE cost 3200-3500 per 100. I would believe it would be very hard for a new person, unexperienced in SK, to run clockworks on CN alone.

I could say this offer could be allowed if, and maybe only if, once you hit Tier 2 capable you could no longer receive the offer. This wouldn't stop people from having a second or third account just for the mist tanks.

Another option could be that some vendor could take Mist Energy and create Crystal Energy for you. Unless Triple O wanted to have Mist energy automatically convert to CE after it hit 100, but that could be bad, maybe.

It might be helpful if each knight received a few mist tanks from achievements. You could be rewarded from crafting a 1 star and 2 star item, killing Snarl the first time, making it to Snarl without dyeing, etc.

Jetah
but Alpis ingame as Jetah was taken.

to get more energy.....i would suggest that (2 of which were already introduced) any of these may be implemented:

1. Have more Mist capacity or
2. Make CE regeneration faster OR
3. Convert extra mist enrgy to crystal energy BUT it would take twice or thrice as long to get one CE
(so that time is not wasted doing RL activities)

-although i know that this third idea sounds a bit impaired......

although having more mist tanks would have some limitations......its just too much to get some ME for a cheap price .....even if the case is that you can get one per 48 hours.......the result would be: stacking

now let's look at the real problem here: energy prices are controlled by the people who sell it. You know what that's called? A monopoly. players can charge whatever they want for energy because people who are playing for free have no choice but to pay. So paying players get to buy the right to muscle around freeplayers? You know what other good F2P game does that, oh wait, there IS no good free to play game that does that. Spiral knights will never be a good game as long as this kind of paid for abuse keeps up simply because freeplayers will eventually get fed up with the rising energy prices and the fact that there is no easy way to get mist tanks. Now I KNOW mist energy regens, but at 1 energy per 13 minutes? how is limiting play time going appeal to freeplayers? Not that none of these other ideas are bad, it's just the best solution to a problem is usually the easiest one. take control away from the players and insert an NPC middle man. have a set price for buying energy and a set sale price. players will still be encouraged to buy energy with real money because of the high energy costs of crafting. And speaking of money, if the only reason OOO doesn't make a change to their game is because they might lose money, they have no business saying they care about their players. a real game company wouldn't mind taking risks for their players, that's how you get a fanbase's support. spiralknights is fun, OOO but you didn't make gold here so stop ignoring your players.

You guys are talking like free players are OOO's valued customers when it is in fact the players who paid money that are OOO's true customers. Take away something that paying players enjoy and put in a NPC middleman? Are you even reading what you are writing? Why would OOO ever want to do that? OOO's target audience isn't you guys who complain about not being able to play and never paying them a cent, it's those people who actually bought CE and paid OOO. And guess what? If you guys do end up buying CE it will be because of how high the prices of CE are and how much money you can make off of buying some. If you could play the entire game without ever having incentive buy CE, why would you ever pay OOO a dime?

The Mist Tank is too cheap if you ask me...

Either make it 80% of your earned Crowns that run and give the same amount of ME you spent in that run excluding revives and danger rooms or make it 3500 for Tier 1(negotiable), 4250 for Tier 2 non-boss stratum, 5000 for Tier 2 boss stratum, 5000 for Tier 3 non-boss stratum, and 5800 for Tier 3 boss stratum(although I have a full set of 4* gear, I still haven't done a Tier 3 run so don't flame, kthx).

@monkeyman135
You keep saying that this is bad for OOO but not stating HOW(epicest word you will learn in the history of epicness). I honestly don't think giving out one Mist Tank a day for this price would do pretty much anything to OOO and their money making. The thing it would help is the fact that if CE prices were to rise, then you could keep it stable for F2P players.

People seem to be forgetting the fact that when you play the game you cost the company money.

In bandwidth, power, cooling, man hours to support, ect...

So if you want to player more than 100 ME provides for you then you need to subsidize that cost. PERIOD. If you don't do it someone else has too.

All these threads are just people who want to play the game, but are unwilling to support it. If you like the game then support it otherwise be happy with what they are willing to give you for free. The only time there perhaps isn't a enough energy is the first few times that you play and need to earn up heat for your gear. That first experience is pretty short and maybe doesn't give you quite enough of a taste, but other than that 100 energy is enough to play an hour or two a day. That's usually sufficient for most casual players.

F2P means that you get something for "free" and if you want more then you pay for it. Which is exactly what this is...

People just seem to think that F2P means that you can play unlimited amounts, but you don't get the premium stuff. Well OOO is kind enough to make it such that you can get anything and everything F2P if you want, but you have to be patient. If you're not patient, which they are counting on, you will pay money for it because you want it now instead of a week from now.

$40 which is a reasonable price for any game in the market these days you get:

7.5K for starter + 7.5K additional = 15k CE
5 mist tanks
1 heat amplifier
2 trinket slot upgrades
2 weapon slot upgrades
A 1* unique bomb, the Static Flash
A 1* unique shield, the Green Ward
A commemorative Artifact

15K CE and 5 Mist Tanks is MORE than enough to get a full set of 5* gear. Which is more than enough to make you fully self sufficient to never have to spend another dollar if you want.

I know because I just did it. With just spending the above I have:

5* Justifier Hat
5* Justifier Jacket
5* Ash of Agni fire bomb
5* Valiance blaster gun
5* Grey Owlite Shield

Among other things that I'm working on currently. So really all it takes is a little bit of investment and you can have everything handed to you.

You can play the game, you just can't play it an unlimited amount. They could have just as easily said that you are only allowed to play for 2 hours a day. All that means is that the players that are more efficient can do more than those that aren't. Again if you need more time then buy more time or be patient and wait until tomorrow.

You can play the game, you just can't play the game at the pace that you want. Seems like its making the incentive to buy energy to me, you're just not buying it. You obviously like the game enough to keep coming back day after day...isn't that reason enough to give it some support? What do you hope to get out of the game other than leeching the resources of the developers?

you could simply buy 100 CE at 4.7k <.<

This is one of the best suggestions on the forum. Count me in! $p

But let me tell you some info so you might tweak it

29 levels x 10 E each = 290 E
Good chance of dying = 30 E after 4th death
Crowns per teir = 3,000-4,000
average E per run = 350 E

What i think:

Price: 2,000-2,500 Crowns
only bought once per teir (2 in a run)
only 3 per week

CONs
might need CE for full trip
chunk of run money

PROs
money for company
easier runs

Still a great idea :D

Please do this -- though I think mist will be more than 2k a pop, I would totally use this.

not really, you can get good weapons by crafting and earning them, but if you want better weapons then you can buy them with money.
There is no PVP so it's not like it would unbalance anything.
If they really want poeple to use real money to buy CE to play this game then just make it P2P.
The idead that you need energy to play the game is rediculas.
Even MORE rediculas is how slow it regenerates.

I'd love this however I'd expect around 3k for a mist tank. Also It would be a good idea to limit amount of buyable mist tanks a day just like recipes.

The ONLY way a Mist Tank seller could be realistically implemented without jeopardizing OOO's CE Scheme is through Brinks using "Energy Sparks" or something similar to that. Tokens are the "currency" that can be gotten equally by T1 all the way through T3 by just playing the game. If it costed 2k-4k Crowns, then T3 players would solo T1 dungeons (60 Energy runs) over and over to farm Mist Tanks and then use them at will on T3 runs to recoup costs. (which would kill dependancy on CE for a lot of players).

Tokens, on the other hand, are acquired at the same rate by T1, T2, and T3 players, since it's just "dumb luck". If a Mist Tank costed 5 Mist Tokens, then it could take a player anywhere from 2 to 4 dungeon runs to get enough for one, therefore not really impacting the CE market, but allowing all players the ability to play "a little more" for their hard work.

TL;dr - This system is decent idea, however it cannot work with Crowns, because it directly impacts the CE market. It would need to work with an alternate currency like a new type of Token.

Or just sell mist tanks for primal/grim/forge tokens.

franbot minerals are useless

the only thing that would do is make CE worthless and it would increase the amount of crowns it would take to get 100

it would cost more CROWNS because you are proposing something that reducing the crown's value thus the mineral's value would skyrocket to the point where people cant keep up

minerals are for gate creation...