Spiral Knights - "Forge sparks are useless"

"Forge sparks are useless"

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Sat, 09/10/2011 - 09:37

Volebamus

First time I heard this today from not one, but two people in my party. I was genuinely surprised, since this is the first time I heard it before.

Anyone else actually feel the same way, even those who also have no need for the mats from Brinks aside from selling them at Auction House? It's odd to me, since it's like arguing anything you can resell with minimal effort is useless.

As an aside:
It's also the first time I heard someone argue that krogmo coin trinkets are useless, but that's another thing entirely...

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 09:42

Eeyuppy

I dont know about them but I

I dont know about them but I can always use fotge sparks to buy and then sell swordstone. They sell for a good price and are far from useless in my book.

Dont know why they would say that :/

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 11:56

NicoyaKitty

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I think the materials in the

I think the materials in the forge spark category drop a bit more often than, say, those in the grim spark line. I've picked up stacks and stacks of Blaze Pepper, Silver Coil, Meteor Mote, Thunderball... Pretty much the only 10-token mat I don't see as often is Ironwood and Heavy Gear, but I still get a piece or two a week of both of those. It's pretty much the same story on primal sparks, it's only warp dust that seems to be particularly rare.

On the grim spark side of things, Ghost Bell, Trojan Horseshoe, Mug of Misery and Blighted Bone seem to be pretty rare drops for me. I've only got one each of Mug of Misery and Blighted Bone, and have never seen a Trojan Horseshoe drop. Miracloth seemed to be fairly rare for a while, but I've been seeing it more recently.

I can't comment on the 20-token mats as I haven't really started hitting T3 much.

I think if the defence trinkets actually worked in any meaningful way I'd be more excited about spending tokens. A pair of soaking wetstone pendants would be a pretty awesome accompaniment to a valkyrie set. Right now I just keep a stack of them around in case I'm crafting something and realize at the last minute that I'm missing one of the mats and won't have enough crowns left over to craft after buying it off the AH.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:17

Pupu

Legacy Username

you see

The problem is that the fire resist trinkets don't work.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:19

Bigfootm

What dark Ritual?

@pupu

On sept 2, I sent a support request asking if they worked, and they said they do, (But they don't want knights receiving broken trinkets either) I'll add exact conversation in a second.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:23

Bigfootm

What Dark Ritual?

mnemosyne - Sep 02 at 4:59pm:
These trinkets should work, we are not aware of any that are actively broken (nor do we want players to be receiving broken trinkets). If you encounter any that simply do not function, please make sure to send us a bug report with the F2 key and we will be sure to pass that information along to the developers.

BigFootM - Sep 02 at 4:40pm:

I have a bit of forge sparks and was thinking about getting a fire resist trinket. So, do the status trinkets work? I've seen and heard they work, then others say they don't. Thanks in advance!

-Bigfootm

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:34

Quasirandom

You know what else is useless

You know what else is useless to them? Crystal energy. Because it's a pretty trivial matter to convert forge sparks to crystal energy in bulk quantities. (Buy plasma cells, sun silver, sparks of life, or volcanic iron, sell it on the auction house, and trade the crowns for CE.)

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 13:50

Algol-Sixty

These trinkets should

These trinkets should work,

I've seen testing done by trustworthy players that say fire trinkets don't have any measurable effect, and I trust actual results from those players over claims by GMs any day. Maybe there is a bug. Maybe the effect is as designed, but far too small to matter. Maybe there was a bug, and it has been fixed. The reason doesn't matter much to me. Until I see evidence to the contrary, I'll trust that trinkets don't work. (And no, i don't care enough to waste forge sparks and the time to retest stuff.)

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 14:07

Bigfootm

What Dark Ritual?

Well, I never said they 100% worked. (Or did I?>_<)

Anyway, I'll do some testing soon.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 15:02

Pupu

Legacy Username

Pff

Nice answer you got Bigfoot, but testing proves otherwise.
I wish they had fixed trinkets at least after they fixed uvs giving double bonus based on mine and Eeks data.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 21:38

#10

Richy

I think any mats are

I think any mats are worthless, but tokens? Nope. They are rather useful when you need a mat quickly and you can just go get one, or for trinkets.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 21:53

#11

Bigfootm

What Dark Ritual?

Eve still folks, you can vendor a 5* trinket for 10k CR.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 22:04

#12

Negimasonic

Why would you do that when

Why would you do that when you can just pick whatever 5* mat that sells for over 2k and be better off? (if it sells for less than 2k though yeah go for the trinket to vendor it). I've run out of forge sparks this past week but unless Spark of Life(s), Sun Silvers, Volcanic Iron, and Plasma Cells (I think) have just dropped a lot...it's still worth doing.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 22:10

#13

Bigfootm

What Dark Ritual?

As of now:::

Primal Sparks-Get bushy tails and drake scales
Grim Sparks-Get trinkets and vendor them
Forge-Either way, the mats are not selling, I'd go with a trinket.

Sat, 09/10/2011 - 22:29

#14

Negimasonic

:3 gimme all your forge spark

:3 gimme all your forge spark equivalent mats then for free then tee hee

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 00:05

#15

Twiddle

Yes, forge sparks are useless

Yes, forge sparks are useless because no one needs things like sun silvers.

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 11:58

#16

sterlingd

Legacy Username

I was doing some unscientific

I was doing some unscientific testing wearing some freeze trinkets in a freeze arena on my Mad Bomber Suit the other day, and was getting similar numbers to the other players in my group who were wearing Vog, I think. The results were inconsistent, which means that the trinkets affect the chance to freeze as well as the duration, but if the devs are interested, I think we should test, then present them with some relevant info. I almost have 2 of each trinket, and would be willing to test using my Mad Bomber suit, since I think that they only seem to work with a negative resistance, but I need something to compare it to..

Sun, 09/11/2011 - 23:10

#17

Dpod

They work!

Tested them in training room. Had vog set + 2wetstone pendant (5 star). Didn't catch on fire, but did suffer some dmg like stepping on spikes. Skolver set +2 hearthstone pendants (5star) and stepped in freezing trap, didn't get frozen. I don't have enough shock resist.. but my skolver has max shock def +1wyrmwood bracelet and still got shocked.. 3 count. All in all.. trinkets work.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 00:07

#18

sterlingd

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Thats good to know, the

Thats good to know, the testing that people always refer to seems to have been done many updates ago, lots of things could gave been fixed, numbers rounded correctly, etc, etc.
Some definitive testing with current results would be nice, especially with PvP coming, wearing a Gunslinger set and getting hurt by elemental? Drop a trinket in the slot, etc. If the (whatever snoop said) then drop a trinket in the slot. Yeah, yeah, tee hee.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 00:10

#19

Pupu

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Wut

You tested nothing Jpod. You have to compare no resist with no resist+trinket.
You are a terrible scientist, further papers from you will be peer reviewed by our laziest member.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 04:05

#20

Algol-Sixty

You tested nothing Jpod. I

You tested nothing Jpod.

I thought he was making a joke.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 10:17

#21

Dpod

That was funny. I did test

That was funny. I did test with and without the trinkets, non resist gear and so on. Had a few friends test with their non UV gear. There was about 6 of us there in that training center. We concluded that trinkets work for a fact. People who do catch on fire, freeze, shock, etc.. must not have enough defense of that element even with the trinkets, but you will notice that the countdown of the effect is lowered by maybe a 1 second or 2. We even tried using skolver with no resist UV's and with and without wetsone trinkets. Countdown was shorten by a couple seconds when stepping into fire. We did plenty of combos.. so trust me on this that trinkets work. If you would like me to show you, because i know most "scientist" would like evidence, my IGN is Opod friend me with a message and we'll go to a training hall.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 10:29

#22

Volebamus

Jpod, your testing is very

Jpod, your testing is very limited, as the Training House's conditions are not representative of anything in clockworks aside from starting-tier1.

If you want to see something more thorough, it's actually from the very person who criticized you, due to his own tests:
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/10522
(scroll further down to see the true results after the 7/20 update)

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 10:52

#23

Dirt

Legacy Username

Trust me, Jpod. Pupu has done

Trust me, Jpod. Pupu has done much, much more work in that area than you have.

Mon, 09/12/2011 - 11:23

#24

Dpod

Yup I saw his comprehensive

Yup I saw his comprehensive post, I give him props. If you need tests subjects let me know.

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