Edit: Im a little late to the party arent I? (^_^;
EDIT AGAIN: Also If you're gonna change this, I recommend a pure piercing Antigua line weapon. So we would have 2 choices, much like the Wolver armor. Just a thought but that way everyone would be happeh with a new piercing gun :D
YES
/bow nick

THANK YOU SO MUCH!

Anything in the OP is perfect

+9000.1
You got my support! Plus maybe ill start crafting an Argent Peacemaker just for this! ^-^

Pure piercing AP would be great. All the other piercing guns make you hold still to fire & it would make the AP an even better Duke buster.

I'd love the changes to the Antigua lines....
...I guess i'll have to find a new place for my dust.

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So nick, ever think about an ice gun? There's only one and ice can work with piercing .

Why have them crit + bonus damage on something they already crit? For instance, if AP were pure pierce with bonus to undead, then it would be a 3/6 gun rather than a 2/6 gun as it is now, or a 1/6 + 1/6 gun with elemental+undead. Same with RSS - if it's elemental +fiends, then it's a good 3/6 bomb and fills a niche (damage elemental) that hasn't been useful until now.

As it is, the only place you see a silversix/AP is in FSC. If you change it as you suggest, then it'll be used in FSC and graveyards. A high-clip piercing gun (currently blitz, which is very immobile, and callahan, which is only a two-shotter) would be useful all-around. Another shadow gun in the blackhawk line, though of limited use because of the way shadow-susceptible enemies dodge, would still be better than a shadow/pierce. Plus, there are already several good elemental guns (multiple alchemers, polaris) without a good versatile piercing gun.

wow wth did i miss in the arsenal section

what exactly will happen to the nova driver and the umbra driver? the dmg bonus on guns is kinda overwhelming and ricochets arent always reliable. in fact id prefer charging the newly overpowered guns instead of firing my alchemers in situations where ricochets are rather applicable. the 6 shot clip has always been tempting to begin with

RSS will be fine, but im still hoping for u to give big angry bomb some more attention(not that its dual dmg, but i can tell from the look on its face, its not happy, its mad. nitronome is happy)

..why? I imagine you want it for a single gun to take into FSC, well it wouldn't change that much.
At all. Maybe like a 15-20 damage decrease. Big deal... of another 3 clips?
Not that big a deal. You'll kill zombies with it so much faster, it's not even funny. You'd save time in FSC with this gun!

Argent Peacemaker alchemy line:
I too would love to see a pure piercing version of the Antigua. My first thought was to make the Argent Peacemaker a pure piercing gun, with an undead damage boost. This would open the gun up slightly in terms of its usage, while still making it a type of niche-filling weapon. Dedicated gunners would have very little use of a piercing gun with an undead damage bonus, whereas I'd imagine swordsmen may find a little more use for it. Once again, that was my first thought, and I could be very wrong.

Sentenza alchemy line:
Sentenza may benefit as a pure shadow-type gun. My only concern is that the Sentenza would vastly overshadow the rest of the game's pure shadow guns. Unless the damage was very finely balanced, it could easily overpower the Umbra Driver line, due to it's six-shot clip, high firing rate, and potentially useful charge attack (a rarity with guns; this statement may only apply if the proposed charge attack change is accepted). If the two guns were tuned to do the same damage over the same period of time (not on a clip basis - the firing speed will deplete one clip faster than another, giving the faster-per-clip gun a higher dps and better defensive properties in the form of shielding), then it could come down to personal preference and play style, which would be a nice change of pace when choosing a shadow-type gun.

(Radiant) Sun Shards:
I know little about practically using the RSS, but as it stands, they do not seem at all like a niche weapon. Bombers of all shapes and sizes seem to love the RSS, and they are also a very popular bomb, despite being 4*. Given my knowledge on the subject, I'd suggest leaving this weapon alone.

In conclusion, I think you should consider carefully the consequences of changing weapons which are considered to be 'niche' weapons. If these weapons are not balanced, then they will either dominate the field in their new role, or they will fade into the background as even less-used weapons. Either way, the consequence of not balancing these weapons very finely after the change will result in the "loss" of a weapon from the commonly-used arsenal as it now stands, which seems to be a waste.

PS: I also see little use in spicing up weapons which currently see a fair amount of use (even in a niche setting) when there are a large number of weapons which see almost no use at all (Big Angry Bomb, Biohazard, Sudaruska, Triglav, etc, etc, etc..) which could use rebalancing.

All I will say is that the Antigua guns are currently the only piercing guns which allow you to move and shoot, so (as I think many here agree with) we'd much appreciate a pure piercing Antigua line as well.

Woot woot changes sound for the better!

Imo: get rid of the AP / Sentenza gremlin / undead bonus to reduce how powerful it is.

This way, it won't cloud over the alchemers so much - AP/sent is for single target, alchemer split bullet jumpiness for aoe.

"Rangerwill :HEY, don't insult the other one! MY gun."

Then tell it to be a big boy and get 5 stars

Well for my statement about alchemers, it actually would not overshadow them because, as most like to not understand this, alchemers are for split bullets AoE, the antigua lines would be single target with the exception of clipping bullets between two monsters (taking into consideration its all guns that clip between two targets hitting them both, alchemers when shot inbetween two mobs will sometimes even clip split bullets multiple times.)

I'm glad my Peacemaker will be given use outside of FSC. It might just become my main side-arm depending on the damage. I really didn't want to have to use Polaris, so this is nice.

Sentenza sounds okay.. but Gremlins don't really strike me as that common, or something I would actively take a gun to. I guess if we get a Gremlin boss it'd be nice, otherwise I feel like Sentenza is still getting the short end of the stick.. but less so than before, at least.

Additionally, I'm also for the pure pierce Antigua, but on that note, I wouldn't mind a pierce Sealed Sword either. [We have all elements but Pierce for the 2-swing swords.]

Other weapons I think you guys should look at buffing would be:

Troika-line Swords [It's underpowered in so many ways. Consider a new charge, or damage / speed buffs.]
Volcanic Pepperbox [I don't think I've seen anyone use this.]
Winmillion [It needs a 5* too!]
Cutter-line Swords
Iron Slug [Another one I've never seen used. Callahan is unanimously agreed to be better.]

And maybe a small damage buff for Valiance and Supernova? "Jack-of-all-trades" is nice, but when they're this weak they just end up being more "Master-of-none". Valiance was already a fair bit weaker than Peacemaker on FSC Slags. I can't imagine what the difference will be after the change.

Of course, Armors really need some looking at too..

Just throwing some thoughts out there.

Really glad equips are still being balanced. Hope you guys are going to continue with this. New content is great, but what good is it if everything before it is still a mess?

Not as good!

So keep at it. It's really appreciated, I promise.

"Antiguas and other pierce guns that would make a pure piercing antigua simply wonderful to use."
Completely wrong here. Like, not even in our universe wrong.
The only place where a pure pierce Antigua would be good is Vanaduke, and that's it.
It's practically impossible to hit Devilites with this gun, let alone Wolvers.
Tested with 3* Antigua, it sucks badly. Very badly.
Callahan is so much better then this would ever be.
Even if they made the damage per bullet 200 each, Callahan would still absolutely defeat it in any way possible except Vana.
Don't talk what you don't know about.
I was a gunner, used a Antigua with my Magnus and the Magnus was 500% better.

instead of fixing weapons that people sometimes use... why not fix weapons that no one uses... like:

big angry bomb,
irontech destroyer,
iron slug
stagger storm (really broken)
etc...

also I don't think sun shards should be pure piercing.

Non-gunners bashing Alchemer DPS.

Already posted on this before but I have come to realize a few things.

Firstly:- Bombers already have a pure elemental bomb in the form of the electron vortex. There is no need to change RSS at all, as they make a great utility bomb that anyone can use. If you want something that will destroy constructs and undead, use the vortex. It applies shock, crowd control and does moderate damage. If you are going to complain about a bomb not doing enough damage to a single target, you have no idea what you are talking about. The bombers role is not to kill targets, but to soften up a whole group of them for thier team mates to finish off. If you want to claim I have no experience on the matter, you might be right, but seeing as I have nearly all the bomb paths to level 5 (unless it is impossible to do so like with RSS) then I think I have enough experience.

Secondly:- The only thing that needs to change with the AP and Sentenza is the charge attack. Most of the other gun lines fire 1 extremely powerful bullet (expect for the autogun lines which fire 1 stream that takes a little bit of time to fire but does huge damage when done properly). Through my experiences, the AP and Sentenza charge attacks leave you so vulnerable for such a long time, with the only benifit of the attack being the last bullet, which misses in most cases. The other shots do no extra damage, making them pointless. If you want to make them more useable, then have them fire the last bullet from its current charge attack (i.e Just the eagle/bullet). And perhaps fix the grey numbers on beasts and constructs.

Thirdly:- There are so many more weapons and alchemey paths that need attention far more then these. The Sentenza, AP and RSS get a lot of attention from players because more experienced people tell them that they are good weapons. They are then dissapointed when they find out that a Polaris will outdamage them or that they don't have a useful charge attack (like pretty much all the other guns save the catalyzer series and autogun series). Things like the ionized slat bomb (Seriously, a piercing bomb with bonus damage to jellies? May as well make an alchemer that has damage bonus to gremlins) which serve no real purpose as it is outshined by so many other weapons, blaster series of gun which are supposed to be the jack of all trades but are weak compared to the other gun possibilities. The others are already listed here, e.g. Volcanic pepperbox (which I like to use for its charge attack), winmillion etc.

In summary, I think that there needs to be some tweaks to the antigua line focusing around a useful charge attack instead of the damage type, no changes to the RSS and more focus on weapons that are less commonly used. Try to make sure that each weapon is worth considering as part of your arsenal.

Give it a 5* recipe. ;)
What could use a change is the Ionized Salt Bomb. Seriously, I haven't seen anyone using it, as opposed to Radiant Sun Shards which is actually a very good bomb. The Dark Briar Barrage would completely overshadow it if it became a pure piercing bomb.
(I have heard Radiant Sun Shards used to be a 5* bomb in the past, but in the present it is a 4* bomb, so don't give me that.)

The Antigua-line changes sound great, but if you are to change the Silversix-/Blackhawk-line damages, you need to do something for Antigua as well, or the piercing damage will stand out very nonsensically. I am a bit torn on the Silverix-Argent Peacemaker change because it's a good gun for picking down those pesky Devilites as well, but we'll see what happens - I am still happy for the pure elemental with damage bonus versus undead.

I agree with Rangerwill, a pure Elemental Argent Peacemaker would be outstanding. I've tried AP against fiends, it's not useful at all. The fiends just dodge it. Pure elemental AP gets so many bonuses and would finally be the really useful gun it was: Slags (and zombies in general), Howlitzers, Phantoms, and even non-undead: Mecha Knights, Retrodes, Gun Puppies, you get the idea. Wolvers, Devilites, and Greavers (the main monsters that would supposedly be fought with a piercing AP) are better fought with the Callahan. The only enemy that would be easier fought with pure pierce AP is... Vanaduke? Not really a change at all, considering Vanaduke's health and the prominence of Blitz Needles.

To everyone who wants a pure piercing Argent Peacemaker: do you actually have an AP? Have you ever used one?

Hope the Devs keep AP/Silversix Elemental as planned.

My only response to nicks proposed AP/Sentenza changes: YES!! YES!!!

@ crossproduct

I don't think shadow would work on a bomb called Radiant Sun Shards.

@Espeonage

Well, the disadvantage I see is that there are several fast/mobile elemental guns (I have a polaris and storm driver, both are solid weapons and I'd rather take a polaris than a AP into FSC, which used to be its stomping grounds pre-IMF) and making AP a pure-elemental is running into their niche. With piercing guns, the Callahan and Blitz are both slow move and shots, so they're not as useful for non-trojan fiends AND most wolvers, so a fast/mobile piercing gun would fill an additional niche, plus the Undead bonus would go back to the 'holy' aspect of the weapon (it wouldn't be AS good as an aligned bonus, but it would help). Moreover, piercing helps with the original use, which is Vana kills. Another shadow gun is also a nice idea, considering the current ones are...okay.

Hm. How about giving AP a Med Bonus vs. Undead, and making the charge shot more useful- slightly shorter charge time, and fires one single knock-back eagle. Same with Sentenza- Med Bonus vs. Gremlins, shorter charge and single knock-back owl. The damage type remains split, but now the guns are much more useful against their respective specialties. If that's not enough, raise their base damage by 10-25% or so. I agree that any pure-type Antigua line is likely to result in other guns getting neglected, and loss of skill and style among the playerbase.

The current problem with the split-type Antigua lines is that split type constrains their effectiveness to only one or two monster classes, and even against those classes they don't do enough damage. So the fix is to boost damage against those types, either by raising base damage and/or giving a natural bonus. I like the idea of Sentenza/Argent as specialist weapons. Removing the split-type damage would destroy that distinction, and possibly result in overpowered guns to boot.

What needs to be done to antigua line of guns, in my opinion:
- increased damage, at least by 10%
- AP line - pure elemental, sentenza line - pure shadow (as mentioned in the first post) / can also have split normal/elemental and normal/shadow damage on AP, sentenza respectively
- make third variant with pure piercing damage
- add status effects to all of them instead of "undead damage bonus" or "gremlin damage bonus". Same boring stun will do just fine, but different effects would be welcome, for example fire on AP, curse on Sentenza and Stun on third, pure piercing gun.
- add reason to use their charged attacks

Note: pure elemental AP will be your worst gun for Vanaduke. Reason is simple: Vanaduke is a Beast family monster. Resistant to elemental, weak to piercing. Shocking, I know. So a pure piercing gun is needed. Or vanaduke's monster family fix is needed. He should either be neutral, or undead/fiend. My personal opinion.

As for bomb - can't comment. I only use freeze bomb.
By the way, why isn't there a big blast pure shadow bomb? The only one with shadow damage currently is graviton vortex.

Also, any-but-elemental bomb CTR armors are missing. Piercing, shadow variants would be most welcome. There is shadow bomb, piercing bomb and no respective armors.