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Lun, 01/30/2012 - 10:58
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Blumiland

My mind is [screwing] up.

So, I have been changing swords all around because of other people opinions.
I currently have the *3 Ice brandish swords (Glacius at *5).
I had the Striker, Calibur (Still have it) and the Scarble swordie thingi.
I keep hearing people saying bad or good things about the weapons I use, and it seriously making me confused.

So i just came here to ask one, just one question.

Which swords would be the stronger and must usefull for me?

My current set -
Dusker set (*3)
Icebrust Brandish (*3)
Needle shot (*3)
Twisted Targe (*3)

I also bought the Sonic set + 7500 energy pack last.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 11:16
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Fradow
Scarble does not exist. Did

Scarble does not exist. Did you mean Snarble Barb ?

Anyway, there is no "stronger" sword, it comes down do preference.

Since you already have an elemental sword and a piercing gun, you'll probably want to have a shadow sword to cover every damage type.

If you choose to take a shadow sword, you only have 2 choices : acheron, which is similar to glacius, with shadow instead of elemental and no status, and gran faust, which is a slow sword and can curse. Which one you choose is up to you, both are viable. If you didn't already, I suggest you try a Sealed Sword to tell if you prefer brandish line or sealed sword line for elemental/shadow swords.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 11:18
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Nordlead
For starters, get whatever

For starters, get whatever you enjoy with the following caveat. Also, it depends on what types of levels you want to do and what monsters you are having a hard time with.

Certain monsters are strong/weak to certain damage types. So, you would want two specialized damage types so no monsters are resistant to your attacks. So, for example, if you have a Glacius and Barbarous Thorn Blade you'll be strong against Beasts, Fiends, Constructs, and Undead. You'll deal neutral damage against Slimes and Gremlins. If you were to only carry elemental weapons instead (brandish, divine avenger) then you'd have a much harder time with beasts and gremlins, and a slightly tougher time with fiends.

This guide is extremely useful to read - http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Swordmaster_Guide

Of the swords you have, I would definitely upgrade the brandish to 4* unless you want to change status infliction (use whatever status you like it really doesn't matter that much). I'm not sure what you mean by "Scarble swordie thingi" but I'm guessing Sealed Sword. In which case, upgrade that to avenger/faust if you like it more than the brandish. I think the Avenger is better than the faust unless you already have other elemental swords.

I would then look into getting a piercing sword (flourish or twisted snarble barb) since they make beasts and fiends significantly easier. After that, add a shadow sword (acheron or faust) so you have a specialized weapon for each damage type.

As for the calibur, if you love the charge attack, then it is worthwhile to upgrade it. I know some people take it for Vanaduke, and I can see it being useful in crowded situations (to replace a nitronome for a swordie). However, since it is normal damage type, you can do better if your focus is on swords (which it seems to be based on armor and shield).

I would toss the cutter unless you really like how it attacks. I have one and it really isn't all that useful and other swords do more damage and have better charge attacks.

I will say it again though. Use whatever you enjoy since it is all about having fun.

EDIT: good point on the gun fradow. Yea, you might want shadow sword before a piercing sword.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 11:22
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Blumiland
Thanks for replying so

Thanks for replying so quickly.
And yea, I meant the Snarble Barb.

But you didn't my question - I'm not planning to get 2 swords, I'm gonna use just one gun and one sword. And I wont get any others.
So I just need one good sword to explore with. Or I should just throw the gun aside and become a full sword...?

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 11:24
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Demonicsothe
Calibur for all purpose

Calibur for all purpose monster smacking. Or go piercing/shadow sword, with an elemental gun. Elemental gun, because sword have to cover distance to fight puppies/polyps/howlizters. Elemental is effective against all but polyps, and is neutral to them.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 11:35
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Bopp
obligatory

Blumiland, my sword guide is written for people like you. Some highlights:
* If you want to play with sword and gun, then make the gun elemental and the sword either piercing or shadow, as Demonicsothe said.
* You can also switch to pure sworder, or pure gunner; they all work, with different advantages.
* In your current swords, the Iceburst and the Snarble Barb are good. The Striker and the Calibur are usually considered less good, because they are normal damage. I would not upgrade either of those right now.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 11:41
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Nordlead
There are stations at the

There are stations at the beginning of each floor. Even with 2 weapon slots, there is no reason not to have multiple swords. Just work 2-3 of them to 4* and swap them out as needed. Sometimes you'll want to bring 2 swords, others sword and gun, and maybe others sword and bomb.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 12:30
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Blumiland
Thanks everyone, but Im still

Thanks everyone, but Im still not that sure about what to do.

Bopp - About your Sword n Gun, if the gun is piercing / shadow and the sword is elemental, would I have the same advantages? Or it actually matters.

And Nordlead - Thats exactly what I dont want to happen. Having more then two weapons is a waste of money in my opinion, and is not something I can really offer. And I also don't like to mess around with weapons, switching all the time and such.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 12:52
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Demonicsothe
Piercing guns are sub-par

Piercing guns are sub-par compared to piercing swords, except blitz needle on vanaduke. Callaha is for pure gunners who doesn't want to use a sword of any kind. Blitz has the loss of mobility and such.

Gremlins dodge, so biohazard/umbra would take more skill in hitting, nevermind the explosion utlity, or ricocheting shots, which is the entire point of alchemers.

There are differing opinions on the usefulness of weapon slots. Consensus is that you can easily maintain one weapon slot if you farm RJP, and that if you change with a mouse wheel, a simple up/down slide will let you access all 3 weapons. Not saying that three weapons are a must, but it is defiately useful, whether to heat an extra weapon, or to bring utility/another special type weapon.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 12:58
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Mohandar
some advice

You should really capitalize on the bonus damage that special types do when applied to the right monster. That means ideally you should get 3 swords: elemental, piercing and shadow, in addition to a normal or elemental gun. If you absolutely do not plan on making more than one 5* sword and 5* gun, then I would recommend Leviathan Blade + Polaris or Valiance. Normal damage on your sword, because otherwise you will have some strata that are almost impossible to deal with.
The same is true of armor- you should ultimately craft multiple sets to handle different situations. A generalist loadout might be a combo of Divine Veil + Skolver Coat + Volcanic Plate Shield. This will offer a modicum of defense against everything the game can throw at you, but you will always have rather mediocre defense.

All of this is just advice; you should play the game however you like. Older players like myself just want you to be informed about game mechanics before you commit to a decision, but what you decide is no business of ours so never let someone tell you that "you can't do that".

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 13:13
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Nordlead
well, having two specialized

well, having two specialized swords is by no means a waste of money since they make the game a lot easier in T3 and even in T2. In T1 and T2 you can get away with attacking monsters with weapons they are resistant against, but in T3 it'll likely get you killed.

If you refuse to get a second sword ever, then I'd have to disagree with bopp. I think what you want is leviathan blade since it will deal neutral damage to all types. Since why carry a sword that deals inferior damage to two monster types for all time. The piercing swords have a huge drawback in that they deal pure pierce. So against slimes and constructs it'll be extremely slow. And really, I wouldn't want to plink away at them with just an alchemer. Shadow avoids that drawback due to split damage, but then you're weak against one of the hardest monsters in the game (devilite) and the alchemer won't do squat with their dodging. If I thought you were going to eventually buy a second sword, then I'd agree with bopp's advice since it'll hold you over until you build the second sword.

I can tell you this though. Once you get to T3 and start selling the mats you collect for 2-5k each (sun silver and volcanic iron, for example, sell for within that range but obviously fluctuate) EDIT: I'll say I typically get one of these expensive mat per run outside of FSC ENDEDIT: you'll realize you can get 2-3 swords fairly quickly. Also, if you buy those materials with tokens (if you don't care about your tokens) than you can convert those to crowns right now. Obviously T3 isn't just rolling in crowns, but the payout is higher than whatever you are playing now. Throw in the few rare awesome drops like a iron lockbox or 3* weapon and you can sell those for a decent profit to speed things up (obviously not guaranteed to drop).

Oh, and I'm not suggesting purchasing a 3rd weapon slot, only that you have a weapon to change out since it makes a huge difference.

@bopp's reason for the gun - Elemental guns are strong against gun puppies and howlitzers, and neutral against polyps. They are a common monster with ranged attack that are sometimes hard to kill with swords. If you used a pierce gun then it'd be weak against gun puppies and polyps. If you used a shadow gun it'd be weak against howlitzers. So, elemental guns have no drawbacks against common ranged attackers.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 13:18
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Blumiland
Thanks alot Mohandar, that

Thanks alot Mohandar, that was really helpful!

And no be honest, I don't really like guns.
Could I take two swords that would be good? Like Elemental + Shadow or Elemental + Piercing?
That should be enough to always have advantage on monsters, right?
Or just on 4/6 of them...
And another sword means that I have to pay for another weapon slot every month, which is a pain in my crown wallet.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 13:17
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Bopp
elemental gun

Blumiland, if your loadout is one sword and one gun, then it's a good idea to make the gun elemental and the sword piercing or shadow (or normal), not the other way around. This arises from two asymmetries in the game.

* First, swords can have difficulty against turrets, so you want your gun to handle turrets. All three kinds of turrets in the game are either vulnerable or neutral to elemental damage. This is why elemental-gun-with-normal-sword was one of Mohandar's suggestions; elemental is disproportionately good on guns.

* Second, gunshots can be dodged much more easily than sword swings. Demonicsothe mentioned this. For example, with a piercing sword and an elemental gun, you'll use your gun against undead, constructs, and slimes, none of which are good at dodging. With a shadow sword and an elemental gun, you'll use your gun against undead, constructs, and fiends; this is less good, because fiends can dodge.

I echo the other posters' suggestions that you consider getting a third weapon slot sometime. It may not be as expensive as you think, because people use their unwanted ME to buy weapon slots upgrades for resale in the 150-200 CE range, which is much cheaper than the retail price of 250 energy. If you play SK multiple times per week, on Tier 2 or Tier 3, then your income per month is high enough that a weapon slot upgrade is easily affordable.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 13:21
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Bopp
yes, two swords

Yes, if you don't like guns, then you can certainly play with two swords. I myself usually play with only swords (except in special places like FSC). Any two of piercing, elemental, and shadow will work. Eventually, any serious sworder should get the third sword type as well, even if he carries only two of his swords at a time.

The toughest situation for a pure sworder is a field of turrets protected by spikes. In this situation, you can act as a shield for a gunner teammate (which is fun, because it's really teamwork), or you can delicately attack the turrets yourself (which is fun, because it's challenging).

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 13:21
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Demonicsothe
Wut

Another weapon means another slot? You got something mixed up. You can have as many weapons as you want, in your inventory/arsenal. To be able to use multiple weapons in a floor is the point of extra slots.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 13:24
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Blumiland
I cant usually survive on my

So I'll use two swords! Thanks Bopp!

So I already have an elemental one, the Icebrust brandish.
Any suggestion on a shadow / piercing one that will surely help me?

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 13:29
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Demonicsothe
There is really no situation

There is really no situation in any T1 depths that require guns. Just whack away with your sword and aim in the general direction of the enemies.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 13:28
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Bopp
sword guide

If you're asking whether elemental + shadow is better than elemental + piercing, or vice-versa, the short answer is that it doesn't matter much. A longer answer could be based on your goals. For example, if you intend to run RJP a lot, then get shadow. If you find that fiends are really difficult (many people do), then get piercing.

If you're asking which shadow sword to get, or which piercing sword to get, that is explicitly answered in my sword guide (see post #5 above).

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 13:43
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Blumiland
Awesome, Ive read it But im

Awesome, Ive read it
But im still in a dilemma.
If you were me, which one would you pick? The Acheron or the BTB?
If it were me I'd take the BTB because it matches my shield, but I dont wanna make mistakes.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 13:46
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Demonicsothe
That is a preference thing.

That is a preference thing. Go acheron if you have a hard time learning how faster swords work, but they are more versatile in a different way, with a large first swing.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 13:47
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Blumiland
Meh, I handled a striker 75%

Meh, I handled a striker 75% of my gameplay time. Fast swords are easy peasy.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 13:52
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Demonicsothe
Then go shadow. It will help

Then go shadow. It will help you tons once you reach royal jelly palace

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 13:59
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Blumiland
Alright. So thats what I

Alright. So thats what I decide im going to do.

2 mains weapons will be

1: Glacius (Elemental) / Archeon (Shadow) (Depends on level)
2: Needle Blitz (Piercing)

Is that going to work well?

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 14:05
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Demonicsothe
Glacius/acheron is a good

Glacius/acheron is a good weapons combo, as in neither will hamper the other.

Blitz needle is a trojan/vana gun, rather hard to use on pierce weak enemies. This is why I suggested a piercing sword. However, work with whichever combination of weapons that suits you.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 14:32
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Blumiland
Should I give up my gun, or

Should I give up my gun, or get a different gun?
ughhhh Im so confusedddd.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 14:54
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Bopp
Blitz Needle?

How did you decide on Blitz Needle in your sword+gun loadout? It's pretty hard to use well, because it immobilizes you a lot. And, as we discussed above, an elemental gun is the single most useful kind of gun. Are you avoiding an elemental gun, just because you already have an elemental sword? I wouldn't, if I were you.

I would either switch to all swords, or I would get an elemental gun and either a piercing or shadow sword. Someday you will have three weapon slots, and you can use your elemental gun with any two of your three swords, and you'll be very happy. So you're not throwing away the elemental sword, if that's your worry.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 15:14
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Blumiland
^ Thats exactly whats on my

^ Thats exactly whats on my mind, I dont want to just throw away my weapons that I spent money on.

Alright then, I'll rebuild my arsenal, I'll take Both BTB and Archeon as my swords, and another elemental gun.
Have you written any guides about guns in any chance?

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 15:28
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Demonicsothe
Nope. But we ca still aswer

Nope. But we ca still aswer any questions you might have on them.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 15:29
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Blumiland
Okay... so my question is

Okay... so my question is -
Which elemental gun will work the best with BTB / Archeon?

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 15:46
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Demonicsothe
Damn drupal shutdown. Thank god for ctrl+c

You have 2 lines for elemental guns. Alchemers and Polaris.

Polaris is 3 shot, expanded clip, knockback on expanded shots. Bright, flashy, hard to predict direction of knockback. Best used on turrets to avoid annoy teammates, great for solo.

There is 4 choices for alchemers, which are 2 shots:

Nova: Pure damage, no status infliction.

Magma: Inflicts fire status

Storm: Inflicts shock status

Hail: Freeze status, with thaw damage

The status alchemers do less damage than Nova in exchange for status. Fire is high dot(damage over time) damage. Shock paralyzes movements when the damage ticks. Less damage than fire, but the damage on shocked target is aoe. Freeze is not worth waiting the thawing for, and by nature of alchemers, not a useful one. To use alchemers well, you need to ricochet shots on the enemy, and ricochet shots unfreeze the enemy, if frozen previously on the first shot. Thus, it is unreliable.

I use both volt driver(4*) and gigawatt pulsar (4*). The gigawatt is for fsc/vanaduke, and volt as my sidearm everywhere else.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 15:47
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Bopp
five elemental guns

Actually, I do have a handgun guide (see here), but it's not as developed as my sword guide. I hope that you've also checked out the Gunslinging Guide on the wiki. Anyway, your elemental gun choices are:
* Nova Driver: no status, but extra raw damage
* Storm Driver: shock (bad against quicksilvers)
* Magma Driver: fire (bad against oilers)
* Hail Driver: freeze (I've found it hard to use, because it can unfreeze)
* Polaris: shock and big knockback (which can be great or terrible)
The most popular ones are probably Nova, Storm, and Polaris. Certainly the "safest" choice is Nova --- there's nothing wrong with doing lots of damage. As a sidearm for sworders, Polaris may be the most popular.

Also, just for your information, the game developers are actively considering changing the Argent Peacemaker to pure elemental. But they seem to be taking their time about it.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 15:55
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Blumiland
The Polaris has higher damage

The Polaris has lower damage but higher speed then the Nova and Storm...
SO CONFUSING!

Archeon
BTB
Polaris

Hows that for an arsenal?

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 16:01
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Bopp
cue gunners in 3, 2, 1

Acheron, BTB, and elemental gun is a grrreat arsenal. Just one thing:

"The Polaris has higher damage and speed then the Nova and Storm, I guess that's my pick."

Are you basing this on the wiki data? They're scant, but Nova is 205, whereas Polaris is 190. The Polaris projectiles are extremely slow. If the target monster can be knocked back, then it will be knocked back, perhaps out of range, so that you don't land all three hits. In contrast, the alchemers have ricochets that can do a pretty big amount of damage, if aimed carefully.

I'll let any gunners who are reading fill in the details here. In the meantime, you might want to search the forums and watch some YouTube videos of Polaris. I'm not saying that you shouldn't get Polaris; I'm saying that the argument you gave above doesn't seem right.

Edit: Are you basing this damage/speed thing on the statistics bars, that are displayed on the items? Those statistics bars are notoriously inaccurate. Basically you should ignore them.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 16:14
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Blumiland
Oh... I didnt know that I

Oh... I didnt know that

I just got the Snarble Barb in-game, gonna get the Night blade too.
By what you are saying the Nova is better, which is weird, because Ive seen alot of people with Polaris, but much less people with Nova/the brothers

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 16:19
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Bopp
popular, yes

Yes, Polaris is popular as a sidearm for sworders, because sworders tend to use guns against turrets, which can't be knocked back. It is not popular as a gun for gunners. Do yourself a favor and search the forums for "Polaris alchemer". You will find several threads discussing their relative merits. You may decide that Polaris is right for you, or you may not.

Actually, if you're tired of thinking about these issues, then just go ahead and get Polaris (or any of the other guns we've discussed). At some point you have to stop thinking and just start doing. In the grand scheme it doesn't matter much.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 16:29
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Blumiland
Alright then, i'll go

Alright then, i'll go Polaris.
Thank you so much for your time and help, I ow you big time.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 16:31
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Blumiland
WHAT THE HELL WHY PULSAR

WHAT THE HELL WHY PULSAR COSTS 30K ON BASIL?! IT JUST *2!!!!

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 16:34
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Kensharma
Im going 5* brandish line -

Im going 5* brandish line - Combuster cause I love fire..personal thing...as well as BTB as secondary, then as guns the Sentenza as main for general spam use and the Polaris for its shock and dps. Althought Polaris is hard to use, youll need either polaris or blitz.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 16:34
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Kensharma
Pulsar costs so much cause it

Pulsar costs so much cause it costs 15 twin run tokens. I suggest just doing the runs yourself. I got mine yesturday.

Lun, 01/30/2012 - 21:23
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Demonicsothe
I believe you meant auction

I believe you meant auction house, not basil. Yes, pulsar is a boss token reward. If you do full IMF runs, thats 3 tokens per boss fight, totally 5 runs to get it.

The ones on ah all have been unbound, so they are definately more expensive to get at once.

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