Spiral Knights - When 0 energy: free elevator, but no crowns/heat

When 0 energy: free elevator, but no crowns/heat

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Dom, 03/04/2012 - 04:08

Duke-Sky

Hard to summarize the idea in a small title, but I was trying to think of ways to make this game more F2P than it is.
(bear in mind I've paid Three Rings many times already)

When a player is out of energy, i.e. can't pay the elevator fee, they can keep going but all unpaid floors they get no crowns or heat.
Loot items, such as materials, rare drops and minerals could still be gained. Boss tokens are debatable.
The main objective is to allow players to just play, even if they get next to nothing for it.

P.S. I do realize some players may purposefully 'bankrupt' their energy by hiding it in stock offers... but honestly the only threat here would be if they're farming boss tokens, which is probably the best argument for disallowing Boss token gains when unpaid.

Dom, 03/04/2012 - 05:05

Asukalan

._. dehell i just read

Free elevators? And you still get items, materials and minerals? You even consider boss tokens?

You mad?

No elevator cost=no drops at all

No mats, no heat, no crowns, no items, no boss tokens, i would even consider no vials and vitapods (since you can drop n trade it to someone in need).

You would basicaly become a ghost knight, you can kill stuff but you wont get mats picked by others, crowns, heat etc.

Also something like that would lead to abuses, you can go elevator cost free to a certain floor you want bypassing CE cost on less profitable depths and then start paying CE on more profitable floors you wanted to reach.

Dom, 03/04/2012 - 05:39

Duke-Sky

You think I'm mad? Nope! Chuck Testa.

I mad? No, I have an elevator pass.

You clearly didn't read my post as I already talked about the threat of boss token farming, insinuating that they shouldn't be given for unpaid floors. I'm simply trying to address the longstanding issue I've had with this game's F2P model.
(Which is that they force players to stop playing altogether when out of energy. I'm just trying to offer limited playing for players out of energy).

If it could be programmed to detect hidden energy in the stock market (like bogus offers) then there wouldn't be a work around.
Sure, you could buy and sell off the market for real but the seller still takes a 2% fee every time.
If you have a friend hold your energy, well it's not like your party gets your crowns or heat, heck they couldn't even farm your heat off of your deaths. But you'd still be able to play and if you carry your weight they are none the wiser.

People can already 'bypass' less profitable depths by joining the midway terminal, or joining friends directly, or even doing a boss mission.

Dom, 03/04/2012 - 05:36

Metagenic

No boss tokens and no item drops

Just minerals and materials. Minerals are essentially worthless, and there are so many materials in people's inventories that a few more coming into existence at no cost doesn't seem like a game-breaking issue.

Dom, 03/04/2012 - 05:44

Wuvvums

I think a better solution

I think a better solution would be like an open field map that costs no energy, but gives no reward, that you can explore and has different tier difficulty. Would be even more interesting if it allowed for 8 players too, and no cost to reviving.

In short: a buffed up training hall. Bonus points if it feels "open" and allows for a bit of exploration.

Dom, 03/04/2012 - 06:13

Asukalan

"Just minerals and materials.

"Just minerals and materials. Minerals are essentially worthless"

Minerals can manipulate gates, maybe they are not profitable with direct sell but they have other value.

" and there are so many materials in people's inventories that a few more coming into existence at no cost doesn't seem like a game-breaking issue."

There are so many materials in ppl WHO dont know what to do with them. Free materials = free crowns. You ever tried selling your materials on AH? You can get ton of crowns from it. Without elevator cost it would be basicaly free money.

"People can already 'bypass' less profitable depths by joining the midway terminal, or joining friends directly, or even doing a boss mission."

Game is not only about bosses. Stratum 6 arenas are monsters cr-invome wise and they are not accesible from missions. PPl can already to it by bypassing less profitable depths by joining in terminal or joining friends BUT someone has to reach that place before others can join aka spent energy. Allowing 0 CE elvators would make it much easier/exploitable.

Wuvvums idea of upgraded training hall is much more better. It was already suggested to make better training hall with diffrent enemies/difficulty. Better training hall that would make you able to test your new weapon,armor agains diffrent enemies elemental/shadow/piercing etc.

Dom, 03/04/2012 - 06:46

Juances

Some 5* materials can still sell for 1-2k cr. A sun silver alone can be better than all the crowns/heat from a decon zone, not counting other lesser mats I may get.
Green shards are also easy to get if chose your levels and you can get a decent price for them too.

So, lol, giving me loot but no crowns for free is still too much of a good deal. In fact, all pre-basil level already gve mediocre crowns/heat but good enough mats so i wont feel the difference playing for free.

Dom, 03/04/2012 - 13:32

Fehzor

This would actually be far

This would actually be far more plausable than you'd think...

First of all- 'Free crowns!'. No, its not. This would not introduce any crowns into these levels. Think about the number of new players who would do this. Think about how much the price of materials would drop. You wouldn't be making anything from mats any more, and people would be able to buy and subsequently craft gear at a much faster rate because of it. e-passes are already proof enough for me that allowing free clockworks doesn't do much.

But boss tokens!- Boss tokens are already shockingly common. With the addition of missions, items from bosses are easy to obtain, but still require a minimal amount of skill or a friend with a minimal amount of skill or dark retribution. Farming boss tokens would get you 3.5K cr per 5 runs on jelly king. Compare to 2.6K, the amount the 2 levels below JK's room get you... subtract the cost of purchasing energy, and you're getting 1.3K per run on jelly king without doing the boss level. This means that every 5 runs on those levels would get you 6.5K... considering that you have to do those 2 levels, you make crowns faster on the levels before the boss when using ce. The same goes for FSC.

The price of CE would skyrocket!-No it wouldn't. Players would very rarely use CE to beat levels any more, and there would be more CE out there and less crowns out there. Think about that in terms of supply and demand... this would lead to more people making weapons with their energy, and thus consuming more mats. Of course, it won't balance out or anything, but it would result in an increase in the amount of gear made, and a decrease in the price of CE.

All in all, I don't see this happening. The devs don't like to mess around with the ce system, and when they do they somehow end up making everyone rage.

Dom, 03/04/2012 - 23:21

Hexzyle

"Loot items, such as

"Loot items, such as materials, rare drops and minerals could still be gained"

You've all missed the point. He was placing the idea down with an optional extra loot which was open to debate. Now that it's fairly obvious that allowing materials and minerals would be a bad thing, the "could" takes into effect and makes his idea still valid by eliminating the minerals and materials line.

Don't shoot his whole idea down just because you don't like part of it, which isn't even a definite part of it anyway.

Mar, 10/16/2012 - 01:21

Night-Gun-Striker

guys can u help me?

guys can u tell me how to put a picture like u guys pictures?pls?thx

Mar, 10/16/2012 - 04:16

#10

Il-Mono-Il

I cant believe in...

This ^

Mar, 10/16/2012 - 18:51

#11

Skyguarder

Then people will get 1000's of materials. What if your mist regenerates to 1 energy? You said with 0 energy, you can go down for free but no loot. If a mist regenerates, can they still play when they reach the elevator? Why am I asking non sense questions? You should put more and more details so I can understand.

How about the arcade? What if your doing recipe hunting? You could go down for free clean and get the recipe. Also people will get a CERTAIN achievement "The core". They will get down easily to the core and get it. It would be too easy. Maybe at the last depth (Not the core), you can send the person up the elevator to Haven and not down to the core.

You will still get the loot for the energy you pay, right?

Mar, 10/16/2012 - 18:53

#12

Dukeplatypus

You, uh, missed the 7 month

You, uh, missed the 7 month necro, bud.

Mar, 10/16/2012 - 19:04

#13

Skyguarder

I blame the guy with the pictureless guy

The one that wants a forum picture... I blame him.

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When 0 energy: free elevator, but no crowns/heat