I was thinking of doing Operation Crimson Hammer but before I do I need a good shadow sword ( cause my DA isn't gonna help much XD ) so which one's the best? the nightblade line or the Faust line?
Good shadow sword?
Jue, 04/19/2012 - 05:30
Jue, 04/19/2012 - 05:41
#2
My preference is the
My preference is the nightblade line. Only because of the charge attack and the lack of random curses.
Jue, 04/19/2012 - 05:44
#3
^ (Ninja'd, "^" was meant for Metagenic >.>)
I agree with Metagenic here. The Acheron works quite nicely due to its mobility, which is very helpful when those Mortafires are shooting at you. With an Acheron you can practically keep attacking on your merry way without worrying about Mortafire shots. With a Faust, well... you're hit :P
I'm not sure how ASI High+ would work with a Faust though. If you can speed up the attacks enough it might be viable, but the Acheron will probably still out DPS it in OCH and you get the added usefulness of a charge attack for when you're low on health.
Jue, 04/19/2012 - 05:44
#4
not just charge attack
Try killing T3 gremlins with Gran Faust's normal swings, it feels awkward as hell.
Jue, 04/19/2012 - 06:18
#5
While I like my Gran Faust, I
While I like my Gran Faust, I agree with Extribble points :
- with a GF, you are going to get hit by Mortafires (woot I didn't know their name) if you keep attacking instead of dodging
- Acheron charge attack is good. GF one takes too long to charge and can curse you, which is annoying.
But don't be fooled : GF is still usable. It reliably knockdown gremlins on the second hit, which can be used without issue against twackers once you have enough ASI (so that your second hit comes before their second hit. Their first hit will miss due to GF knockback).
And GF is still superior when you have several gremlins. The only problem is when they are not synchronized and you can' place a single attack.
But yeah, Mortafires are a pain in the ass (I wonder if it's the same with acheron), and acheron will be better for the boss (who is not easy).
Jue, 04/19/2012 - 06:28
#6
my opinion
My opinion is here. It definitely applies in OCH. Consider also Sentenza.
Jue, 04/19/2012 - 07:06
#7
My 2 cents
You may think I'm trolling or something buuut...
If you have problems with large numbers of gremlins swarming at you and all the "tinks" of GF hitting sheild are being a pain.... Consider the Sudaruska's charge attack. Currently the first hit spawns on, or a little in front of you (Glitch) and the second hit ignores the shields and knocks them all away.
BUT, I would only suggest this to you with a goodly amount of ASI... Med being the bare minimum.
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Vie, 04/20/2012 - 20:21
#8
what i use
Nightblade Yeeeeee~~~~~
I use it for gremlins n jellies. and it's also not that bad against constructs
Vie, 04/20/2012 - 22:03
#9
Personally, when fighting
Personally, when fighting gremlins, I prefer to use piercing swords over shadow swords. However, since what you're looking for is a shadow sword, I concur with everyone else who supports the nightblade line.
Vie, 04/20/2012 - 23:27
#10
I don't know much about OCH,
I don't know much about OCH, but I would much rather have Faust/GF simply for the curse ability. The swings, while slow, have good knockback and great damage, and the charge is perfectly useable if you plan ahead by either having a 3rd weapon slot or curse resistance. Just don't go charging every single shot. For the record, GF charges WAY slower.
Sáb, 04/21/2012 - 05:28
#11
Gran Faust
The Gran Faust swings have good knockback, and they're wide and long, so you can use them to keep a crowd at bay. They have "great damage" per swing, but these swings are slow enough that the damage per second is pretty weak.
The cursing aspect of Gran Faust is useful against the Royal Jelly and Ice Queen (I think) and giant lichens. It's not really useful against smaller enemies; they die too quickly for curse to have much impact. This, paired with the fact that curse happens only occasionally, means that you can't really plan your Gran Faust offense around curse.
Sáb, 05/26/2012 - 02:48
#12
Acheron
Acheron is better in my opinion due to the charge its is spammable while the case with gf is you spam it you get cursed and wham your dead so i prefer the acheron having solo'ed the jelly king in about 16.21 seconds with it and thats a guild best
Sáb, 05/26/2012 - 08:30
#13
To be honest I found myself
To be honest I found myself using a gun more often in Crimson Hammer.
I'd recommend getting a Sentenza, but if you're in the market for a sword, I use Acheron and it's
fast and I like it.
Sáb, 05/26/2012 - 09:36
#14
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viva blitz needle for a gun! You can do heavy damage on any gremlins and battlepod.
You can also shoot right in the front face of gremlin mortafire and they still got hurt.
Sáb, 05/26/2012 - 11:43
#15
Gran Faust:
Benefits- Wider
Gran Faust:
Benefits- Wider hit radius and range, more damage per swing (obvious fact is obvious), looks awesome (unlike the giant yellow dick avenger)
Drawbacks- Charge attack, while possessing some wicked knockback, can curse you, which is really annoying (unless you know the Faust glitch that I'm sure was never fixed from like 10 months ago), slow hit speed (prone to attacks).
Acheron:
Benefits- More overall combo DPS then GF, faster swinging (faster shield canceling), far superior charge time and attack that won't curse you, more versatile (can use comfortably on crystals and rocks)
Drawbacks- Only looks cool in inspect menu, and has relatively short range.
Basically, unless you have enough CE to get a GF ASI VH CTR VH Dmg bonus vs gremlin VH, stick to Acheron.
Sáb, 05/26/2012 - 13:32
#16
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For a gun, Sentenza IMO is best. You can use their dodge to keep them from getting into melee range. The also tend to dodge by jumping directly backwards, so it isn't that hard to keep shooting them.
For a sword, Acheron, but this is coming from a guy with an ASI high and +dam vs Grem med Acheron, so I'm a bit biased.
Lun, 05/28/2012 - 10:34
#17
Actually, I used a vile
Actually, I used a vile striker. The reason was cause on my first craft of the 2*, I got a gremlin VH. The combined with poison(so menders hurt things and sometime keeps things from being healed) and its quick speed made it very useful. Each attack would do about 100 damage and the first hit, and 50 on the second. I need to turn it into a DVS soon, because that would be even better. But ya, with the quick speed of the gremlins and the large numbers, you can't afford to be slow.
Jue, 05/31/2012 - 18:14
#18
@bopp
ice queen is immune to curse, I believe
Jue, 05/31/2012 - 19:21
#19
Sederts-Alt
Sederts-Alt, the wiki agrees with you. Thanks for the correction. I've fought her only once, and I don't remember much about it, frankly.
Since you'll be killing gremlins and not slimes, it's better to use the Nightblade line. It's faster, doesn't hinder your mobility, and has a usable charge attack.