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Question for LDers. Valiance or storm striver?

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Sáb, 05/12/2012 - 23:56
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Coatl

Ok so I am addicted to LD and I am finally warry of my polaris in LD. It is pretty useless most of the time. It is ok for capturing bases but does a poor job mostly.

No, what I really need is a good gun to pew at strikers when my own strike gauge has run out. I was thinking valiance since most likely I won't be getting an ASI VH gun and the added attack speed it got last patch seems pretty nice. Also I love the aesthetics.

But the shock from storm driver is pretty alluring too. Almost as threatening as polaris in that it can shock you.

So what do LDers recommend ultimately?

EDIT:
BTW I'm rolling as skolver clone don't expect any ASI or gun DMG trinkets.

Dom, 05/13/2012 - 00:56
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Fradow
Not usually a gunslinger in

Not usually a gunslinger in LD, but I would recommend the Storm Driver. Alchemers are amongst the best DPS guns in LD, due to their fast bullets and high damage, and as you said, Shock is especially good there.

On the other hand, Valliance is not going to do a lot of damage because it's normal and everyone has normal defense (that's not the case for elemental).

I would certainly fear more a Storm Driver than a Valliance.

Dom, 05/13/2012 - 01:43
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Sypsy
I re-wrote this several times. I hope it's useful ><

I used to be a big polaris user. But about a week ago, I put it away as I felt I was relying on it too much. Since the patch, I started using the valiance and storm driver with my FF on a skolver, so perhaps I could be of some use.

First, the patch added bullet speed, not attack speed. This means that your shot interval will be the same, the bullet will just arrive to the target more quickly, meaning it will be harder to dodge. This won't mitigate the need for some ASI on the valiance.

Recommendation: Neither, the valiance or storm driver will not be effective for what you are trying to achieve.

My biggest concern is that you ultimately want an effective gun to use when you run out of boost, but I find these guns are more potent when you have boost, like a striker gunner, to mix between sword swings. You would almost never see a gunner walking around without boost shooting these guns hoping to "outplay" a striker skolver. I won't get into how a gunner would play, since this isn't a "how to play a gunner in LD" guide.

For the most part, if you're standing or walking, you would be using a polaris or AP/Sent. The polaris for obvious big-bullet reasons, and the AP/Sent because getting closer to someone shooting the gun makes you a bigger target. I almost never see anyone run towards me while I'm shooting it at them.

Since the valiance gives you more bullets, it would be more effective in this role than a storm driver, for defensive purposes, but not as good as the AP/Sent/Polaris. Many people will run towards me when I am using a driver as there is a good chance they can dodge. Fewer will run towards me when using a valiance.

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Oh, for UV's, if you decide to get one, I would recommend getting at least ASI med on the valiance. A plain valiance shoots a little slow and you'd be standing still too long. For a storm driver, med would be ideal, but asi on a driver is generally less of a concern, since there is a 1 shot limit if you want to avoid reloading.

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If you plan to use it with boost, then it's a different discussion completely, and I would say, "Both are great, depends on your playing style."

Dom, 05/13/2012 - 02:19
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Coatl
Ah..true. Everyone does have

Ah..true. Everyone does have normal defense. I actually forgot about that.
I just assumed I'd do neutral to everyone with valiance but that's obviously not the case.

@Sypsy
First thing, thanks for taking the time to write such a detailed post.
I know real gunners will boost and twirl all around their opponents without them even landing a stratch on the gunner. But what I am looking for is to win those situations when you are fighting a striker who is equally skilled than you ( or even more skilled ) and after slash attempts we are both out of boost energy. Before he gets the chance to recover ( and possibly finish me off easily ) before I can recover I want to shoot him a surprise with a gun while he's defenseless.

I don't necessarily expect to kill anyone when I'm out of boost and shooting at some random striker in full health. But really I need a gun that is both strong and fast (which is why I am skeptical about going senteza/argentz) to aid me when I am in dire need of a trump card.

Let me know if I should still consider valiance/storm or if I should look into senteza.

Dom, 05/13/2012 - 02:37
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Sypsy
I'd still recommend AP/Sent

I'd still recommend AP/Sent over valiance. But again, the valiance will do okay. But if you're not willing to get good at it, the valiance won't be very effective. Since the patch, I've seen a lot of ppl pulling out valiances, but very few are actually effective with them.

AP or sentenza:
The bullets are pretty strong given that a skolver has no natural ele or shadow defence.
The fast bullets make it ideal for your purposes. Plus, you may cause him to boost, giving you a chance to recover before him.

Polaris just keeps them away. It may not get you a kill or any advantage.

Valiance may not have enough punch and is a bit more of a skillshot compared to AP/Sent.

Storm driver is pretty much a skill shot with its slower bullet, if you shoot blindly it's pointless.

Dom, 05/13/2012 - 06:01
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Dukeplatypus
Dammit, I just wrote like 4

Dammit, I just wrote like 4 paragraphs supporting Valiance, but the forums logged me out before posting it and I lost it all. Doesn't help that this damn thing's copy feature just up and decided it didn't want to work. Arg!

Dom, 05/13/2012 - 06:15
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Paweu
Get Storm Driver, that shock

Get Storm Driver, that shock will help you more than anything.

Dom, 05/13/2012 - 21:08
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Zephuros
Well...trollaris ain't all

Well...trollaris ain't all that bad...13k with only a single piece of shadowsun boost... http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/596970529039855047/CCF169018511435840F...

Err, shameless gloating aside, the valiance definitely isn't useless in LD but you'll probably be better off getting a storm driver. It delivers a much more reliable shock than polaris without all that knock back screwing up the battlefield, though you'll have to adjust your attack pattern to really get the most out of it. Something like pew, dash in strike strike dash out pew, repeat.

Dom, 05/13/2012 - 21:09
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Sypsy
Does no one read. He doesn't

Does no one read. He doesn't want to use his boost.

He'll be standing or walking and shooting.

Lun, 05/14/2012 - 00:17
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Coatl
It's ok. I appreciate the

It's ok.
I appreciate the detailed responses I've gotten.

I don't think I will settle for AP/Senteza though.
I've been especially paying attention to people shooting me with guns and how much damage I take and the damage from those lines are just so underwhelming even in skolver. And knowing me I won't be bringing any gun dmg trinkets any time soon to LD.

Storm driver seems like my best bet, but I will continue to exam LD and see.

Lun, 05/14/2012 - 04:23
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Metaalpha
It's only a matter of time

It's only a matter of time before seiran finds this thread. She is da masta gunna

Lun, 05/14/2012 - 06:55
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Tenkii
no u

he*

I wrote something longer, but idc to rewrite it lol.

Storm driver is a nice sidearm to back up swords (if you shoot once then switch to sword, it's like an extended chance of shock before you attack).

But what Sypsy said about Antigua lines makes sense. I don't use it, so I'll trust his word on it.

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