Spiral Knights - CE Market - Limiting the amount of buying offers

CE Market - Limiting the amount of buying offers

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Lun, 06/18/2012 - 07:48

Aquablastfon

If the ce problems are really (partly) caused by the ridiculous amount of buy offers, then why not give my idea a try?

Basically each person can only have 10 buying offers at once. So if someone posted 2 buying offers at 8601cr and 8 at 8632cr, he won't be able to make any additional buying offers until his total offers are less than 10.

Other than that, no limitations.

There are no guarantees that this will solve the problem, but at least the guy who's posting that wall of 1000 buying offers has to look for other 99 people to create the same said wall.

If a person needs ce right now, he could just buy it at the offered price. You have to wait for someone to take your buying offers anyway, so is more wait such a big deal? Though if that IS a problem, then maybe the limit could be raised to 15, 20, or 30.

Here are some screenshots of the said "wall of buying offers" I found on other threads: (node 56913 and 57165)
http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/559818104605668493/38102A289B62D68C74B...
http://tinypic.com/r/52i8om/6

Lun, 06/18/2012 - 08:04

Juances

It takes 5 seconds to do this.

Lun, 06/18/2012 - 08:03

Little-Juances

And laugh.

Lun, 06/18/2012 - 08:03

Facejuances

At limits per character.

Lun, 06/18/2012 - 09:17

Jenovasforumchar

+1, signed

the process of price bumping will get slowed down at least a bit.

Lun, 06/18/2012 - 11:23

Kamen-Rider-Faiz

what we need

is more like a limit u can make as a offer as a sell or at least set a preset price.

Lun, 06/18/2012 - 21:56

Unbounded

It's not really about the price of crystal energy in itself, it's moreso the fact that a market should never be controlled by a few players with a ton of money.

Mar, 06/19/2012 - 12:06

Aquablastfon

@Juances

@Juances
Wow, that's some fast posting skills. You just made 30/90 buying offers.

Post another 30 (30*30=900) more times, and let's see how long it'll take?

Now, when it's time to retract your offers and move the wall up. Log in into 33 accounts again to retract and re-post all your 990 offers.

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It's true this isn't a fail proof plan, but you see what I'm getting at? It should at least make the whole proses tedious, if you're doing it multiple times.

Mar, 06/19/2012 - 14:10

Addisond

noes

It's a free market. No. You can protest whatever you want when it goes against you and be silent when it doesn't, but SK is based on free trade, not fair trade. It's harsh, but it's, if you ask me, more fair.

Mar, 06/19/2012 - 14:28

Unbounded

@ Addisond

It'll still be a free market since OOO isn't messing with the prices. What they would be doing is putting in place preventative measures so that people can't manipulate the prices for personal gain.

Also, how the heck is it "more fair"?

Mar, 06/19/2012 - 16:16

#10

Addisond

@ Unbounded

When I plop down a wall of 60 offers it's not because I'm manipulating the market, it's because it's convenient. I imagine someone else doing the same, on larger scales. As for preventation of price bumping, I really don't see how this works. If you artificially inflate the market, people will take your bids, and the price will increase. When you attempt to cash in on the increase in pricing, prices will go down by the same amount they went up when you sold. If you attempt to stack up CE prices ridiculously, the artificial high prices you have made will collapse and result in a slight, temporary and equal reduction in CE prices from what they were to begin with. Hence, no one can manipulate the market in a self-beneficial way. All preventing mass-buying or selling does is get rid of minor CE fluctuations and make me annoyed that I or other crown-savers can't do this in a convenient and easy way; I have to post buy offers a million and one times.

Also, I'm saying that a free market is more fair than a "fair" market. This is complex, an opinion, and I don't want to get into it.

Mar, 06/19/2012 - 19:02

#11

Unbounded

@ Addisond

I can understand where you're coming from that there is a clear "convenience" factor involved, but the fact is that people are intentionally abusing the system to profit., and we NEED a preventative measure here.

Also, this bit:

"As for preventation of price bumping, I really don't see how this works. If you artificially inflate the market, people will take your bids, and the price will increase. When you attempt to cash in on the increase in pricing, prices will go down by the same amount they went up when you sold. If you attempt to stack up CE prices ridiculously, the artificial high prices you have made will collapse and result in a slight, temporary and equal reduction in CE prices from what they were to begin with. "

That would make sense in theory, but the truth is that hasn't been happening. Around last week and a few days ago, the price of crystal energy was approximately 7.9k. From there, it started rising on its own ever so slightly, and then it jumped up by a few hundred. Then it jumped again, and now it's roughly 8.7k. The thing is if what you said is correct, then the price of crystal energy would have dropped by a few hundred, corresponding to the increases. The artificial high prices haven't collapsed.

Mié, 06/20/2012 - 01:41

#12

Asukalan

There should be really tax

There should be really tax for posting sich bid offers that wont get returned even if your offer wont be filled.

Mié, 06/20/2012 - 07:32

#13

Dziurka

My answer.

The CE market was ruined by introduction of missions. One can now easily exchange ce to cr at very high rates. Remove the most profitable missions and the ce prices will surely drop.

Mié, 06/20/2012 - 08:40

#14

Addisond

The prices aren't artificial

Someone simply accelerated the process of rising CE at their own expense, maybe not even intentionally, or CE prices skyrocketed purely by coincidence because most people who are using buy offers are actually selling massive lots at a time, and there was a temporary drought in sellers so a bidding war resulted in a jolt of prices. As stated before, supply and demand even out the jolt, and things return to normal. You have to recognize that CE was ALREADY rising, and if your 8.7 numbers are a representation of what was happening at the time of posting, then the market has collapsed a bit since then (currently ~8.45).

I predicted this CE drought back when they released dragon wings; a promo will always result in a crash later on. Prices will (if you ask me, I'm not very experienced with this) probably hit around 9k after danger missions, and slowly fall back down to ~7.5k without any promo stimulation. It's the way the market works.

Mié, 06/20/2012 - 08:41

#15

Aquablastfon

Yeah, whatever. I don't care

Yeah, whatever. I don't care about the market either.

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