TEll me some good gear needed for OCH missions? Elemental defence? shadow weapon?
Gear for OCH
Lun, 07/23/2012 - 05:14
Lun, 07/23/2012 - 12:09
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But if you hate stalkers, brings lots of pure normal. The only time where I used an ancient set instead of vendoring it :p
Lun, 07/23/2012 - 12:19
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Blitz works good on those artillery.
Lun, 07/23/2012 - 12:51
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Processing Thoughts of You Always
You are really going to want a support bomber. Haze-type bombs are excellent at pointing out the ninjas in your life. Unfortunately, they are fairly resistant to both Fire and Shock. I would personally prefer a Shivermist, Venom Veiler or Stagger Storm, although a Voltaic Tempest would do a decent job at interrupting their dashes with Shock.
Get elemental defence and fire resistance. If you use swords regularly and have a Vog Cub set, use it here. Grey Owlite is probably the best defensive shield. Acheron if you have it will be awesome, although Gran Faust will also do. You will also want an elemental weapon of some kind to deal with constructs, and if you're soloing I would really recommend you make that a gun for coping with turrets. An Umbra Driver and Polaris are pretty much necessities if you're a gunner, due to the large hordes of gremlins and turrets scattered around the complex. As for bombers... ironically, the best weapon at coping with Gremlins is the one you get as a reward at the end of the mission. Graviton Vortex and Voltaic Tempest will be a godsend down here.
As Knight-Tyme says, the Autogun lines can deal a great deal of heavy damage to the war machines around the complex. Contrary to appearance, they don't seem to count as Construct with regards to piercing resistance, so you can use a Blitz on them with impunity. Regrettably, the rest of the constructs do have resistance as normal, and Gremlins tend to dodge, especially if you fire off a large slew of shots like that.
Mié, 08/01/2012 - 11:12
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Now that I'm able to connect to the forums again, I'd like to correct a myth perpetuated in this topic: Shadow weapons are the best thing to use against gremlins.
This is a half-truth. See, nearly half the available shadow weapons are somewhat worthless against gremlins. This: "the best weapon at coping with Gremlins is the one you get as a reward at the end of the mission" is completely false. I can think of maybe three bombs that are worse at dealing with gremlins than the Redemption is. See, the DR works by doing relatively high damage in a tiny, circular area. It's very effective against:
-Slow enemies
-Large enemies
-Stationary enemies
-Enemies moving in easily controlled and predictable patterns
That means slimes and constructs. If it weren't for the damage type, it'd probably be the best bomb against undead after the über-nerf for RSS is applied. I don't think it's all that bad against beasts, either. But gremlins? Gremlins have miniscule hitboxes and move around far too much to get hit by more than one or two balls at a time. In addition, Thwackers have the shield on their back that makes even these few hits unreliable. The most effective weapons against gremlins are the ones you can control them with.
Piercing weapons. Callahan will knock gremlins on their butts, where they'll be completely defenseless as you keep spamming it at them. Toothpicks have the exact same effect and, due to its speed, actually deals higher DPS on them than even Acheron will. This isn't even taking into account that you'll just get more hits in in general due to them being unable to avoid you. And the best bomb against gremlins? The best weapon against gremlins in general?
Dark Briar Barrage is a menace when applied to its area of expertise. Wolvers, gremlins and devilites alike will be rendered completely defenseless if caught within the massive blast radius. While the DPS may superficially seem lower than what you could achieve with DR, the fact that you're hitting them with all those blasts, preventing them from moving or attacking you more than makes up for this.
Unfortunately, every damage bomb is worthless against mortar-gremlins. Bring a Shivermist for mortars and ninjas, BTB for killing everything in general (including the damage-neutral generators), Polaris for dealing with turrets and maybe Umbra Driver if that's your kind of thing..
Mié, 08/01/2012 - 11:55
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yes, piercing swords are good against gremlins
Yes, piercing swords are good against gremlins. The width and length of the first stroke, in particular, makes fast gremlins much easier to hit than with an Acheron. The speed makes fast gremlins much easier to hit than with a Gran Faust.
...nearly half the available shadow weapons are somewhat worthless against gremlins...
Although this statement is severely hedged --- I don't know what "somewhat worthless" means --- I would say that it's an overstatement. If you can land its hits, Acheron does significantly higher DPS than a piercing sword against a single target in regular attacks. The Acheron charge is faster and more powerful than the FF charge, and more powerful than the BTB charge. GF lets you hit multiple targets.
So, while the piercing swords are quite good, the shadow swords also have their virtues, which should not be ignored.
Mié, 08/01/2012 - 12:36
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Both shadow swords are
Both shadow swords are fine.
There are two shadow guns: Umbra Driver and Biohazard. The Biohazard's bullets are too slow to hit gremlins with at anything but point-blank range. You can forget about landing charges unless the crowd is enormous, especially since most gremlins have some kind of shield if they're not dodging like crazy. I have not tried Umbra Driver.
There is one shadow bomb. It is useless against gremlins.
That's half the shadow guns and every shadow bomb. 2 out of 5 weapons.
Edit: There is Graviton Vortex. It can be ignored as a damage bomb and I don't find it very useful for gremlins anyways. Thwackers seem to always manage to turn their back to the explosion and people trying to attack them.
Mié, 08/01/2012 - 12:39
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You forgot about the
You forgot about the Sentenza.
Mié, 08/01/2012 - 12:50
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So I did! I can only
So I did! I can only speculate that a gun with no interruption and low damage per shot would do awful against thwackers and mortar gremlins, but someone who's actually used it will probably correct me on it. I imagine it can be nice against bomber-gremlins with the use of auto-aim.
Mié, 08/01/2012 - 13:20
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Well, if you have a perfect mask of seerus, use it. Seerusly, it's great for OCH, in lue of that, fire/elemental protection is nice.
Swords and Bombs i like to use to kick the snot out of gremlims and constructs:
GF: even though it curses me, it also curses them. They are always running around attacking and getting healed so this makes them think twice about attacking
Nitro: It's just plain fun to send all the enemies flying c:
RWH: It's Elemental? Why bring it? well, it is useful against some bad guys, aka constructs. there are alot of them and those big machines that i forget the name of, ugh, bringing RWH will pay for itself when it annialates those pesky oversized constucts
Dark Retribution: The title says it all c:
BtB: Because some quick charging projectiles can put a damper on those gremlin producing huts. Plus it matches my BTS and Snarby coat
Shiver: Freezes those stink'en' ninjas in their tracks!
VV: Keeps those pesky medics from doing their job! Go biotoxins! :D *hack cough cough* breathed some in! quick grab the antidote!
DA: 'Cause some people don't have RWH... Yet
Grav Vortex: Cause bringing those gremlins close for someone with a GF all charged up ready to strike is priceless.
Mié, 08/01/2012 - 13:37
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basically what they said
weapons:
shadow: Gran faust, archeon, sentenza, umbra driver, dark retribution if u have it, grav vortex, biohazard (charge good for hitting ninjas with so you can track them).
element: mainly a gun for puppys, a polaris or one of the elemental drivers (hail, nova, magma, storm)
armor: any element armor or a piece with shadow defense or a shield with at least with element for most of area or shadow for boss part because of bombs.
Mié, 08/01/2012 - 20:12
#12
Armor/Shield: Elemental
Armor/Shield: Elemental defense. Fire resist is useful but not necessary.
Weapons:
Dark Briar Barrage: One of the most useful weapon for OCH. With max CTR, once you hit a gremlin, you can keep it knocked down permanently. Lets you completely nullify stalkers, menders, knockers and bombers. Thwackers too, if you know how to kite them so they face the center of the blast.
Acheron: The best weapon for dealing with rocket mortafire gremlins. Ready a charge and move close to one. Once it starts to attack, run behind and release the charge. With Gran Faust you won't be able to land more one hit each time, leading to an annoyingly long battle.
Also Blitz Needle/Dark Retribution: By repeatedly and rapidly hitting a mortafire, you can make it drops the shield too. Fire vial will also work, but not shock vial.
Pulsar line: For turret suppression.
Shivermist Buster/Voltaic Tempest: When you cannot have DBB with max CTR, have one of these to defend yourself from stalkers.
You can use blast blocks against the gremlins - their shields do nothing against the explosions. Shield bump a mortafire into a row of blast block, and shoot.
Yes, you want elemental defense and shadow weapons. A shadow sword kills gremlins quickly. A shadow gun is great for chasing them down, and for the boss fight. It's useful if someone in your party has a crowd-control bomb, for the little ninja gremlins. They are nasty. A fourth weapon would be an elemental gun or sword, for taking out gun puppies; but you can use your shadow gun or sword if you have to.