Spiral Knights - Better install system.

Better install system.

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Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:38

Bella-Donna

Two things:

One: a muscal/sound cue to know your game has finished installing the rest of the game would be greatly appreciated.

Two: After every update there is a time where no knight can get on and try it out because everyone is trying to install from the same server. maybe having some PtP information sharing to help players instal faster would help. like if someone is playing the game their game can send some data to other people instead of just from the cloud that holds spiral knights, sort of like torrenting.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 12:57

Zeddy

Berp

Three: Make the updater stop freezing at random points during the update and then just staying there forever.

Four: Make the game update through Steam instead of me having to boot the game only to find it's updating when I want to play.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:04

Luguiru

Honk

It does not take that long to update/install. The game launches if it was updating, meaning if you have background music on you will hear the login screen music.

This could potentially lead to malicious attacks amongst players. If there are that many players trying to log in at once you will most likely lag horribly once you log in anyway.

The updater is not frozen forever. Either find something else to do for a few minutes or wait.

If you play the game through Steam your Steam version will update independently of the non-Steam client because they are different. Imagine if you have two dirty shirts and you want the second to be washed simply because the first was.

I shall now pretend to be a moist wooden dinosaur.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:09

Asukalan

"The updater is not frozen

"The updater is not frozen forever. Either find something else to do for a few minutes or wait."
Yeah, its not like it downloads 5MB in 45 minutes
Its not like that client update shows that there are 1452:52 minutes remaining

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:23

Zeddy

@Luguiru

Luguiru, I think you're the bees knees and I love your newbie equipment guide thread, but I tried leaving the updater going for several hours on an occasion where it froze with no progress getting done. I managed to get it to update only by using Steam's cache verification thingy, effectively updating the game through Steam.

The means for doing so are already in place, so I don't see why it doesn't just happen by itself.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 13:43

Luguiru

What the liquids

Where are you people connecting from, Siberia? An underground bunker in Siberia?

Three Rings is taking certain threads to make a couple missions while people wait ridiculously long in their underground Siberian bunkers because the servers are too far? This sounds silly. It is silly that the new content is specifically for a minority of players was created immediately while Siberians are sitting for hours so the stupid client can update. There might be another cold war. A war over the stupid client not updating because Three Rings would not spend some of the little they earn because premium content is either too demanding or has little incentive to purchase.

I am no longer moist. Apparently sitting out in the sun as a wooden dinosaur causes moisture to be absorbed by the heat.

As long as this is not about love.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:03

Little-Juances

Steam auotupdates games in the background immediatly when it detect there's a new patch available without needing any input from the user.
But here we have to manually launch the game and see if there are updates.

Thats what Zeddy wants.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 14:45

Zeddy

@Luguiru

A remote island in Norway, actually! Siberia isn't too far in the grand scheme of it.

The problem isn't that the download speed is slow (although it is!), it's that at some point mid-update the progress will simply lock up, sending the update time from ~5 minutes to thousands of minutes.

I've never had this happen in Steam.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 15:30

Luguiru

I thought I was exaggerating

Steam has and manages to afford having servers around the world. Three Rings is miniscule in comparison.

If Spiral Knights had wealthier parents these issues would not have existed to begin with, but since Three Rings is unable to afford more global coverage but is completely capable of making new missions based on old suggestions I am derp. That is the best reasoning I can give you. At least you can run easily through Steam. I use Steam, too, which may explain my complete ignorance of how absurdly long downloading can take. Snort snort.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 17:58

Doctorspacebar

SUNSHAAAAAAAAARDS

Oh, please. HoI doesn't have a Greaver Queen.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 21:13

#10

Autofire

Not location related!

I have 2 computers: a Linux one and a Windows one. The Linux one updates VERY VERY fast. All the steps altogether take about a minute. On the Windows one, the down-loader will climb in progress to a point, then will sometimes suddenly hang up, with the counter going up and up and up and up and...I don't need to go further. My only method to fix this is the copy it from the Linux machine. This is clearly a bug.

Like what the OP was saying, it is a good idea. Another method is to use the Pando installer, which goes at good speed. Elsword (which I play.) has never had issues unless the Killer Combo was actually down altogether. Pando works like a torrent, but makes sure all the files are the correct files to prevent a modified version from being downloaded. (AKA a virus from another user)

EDIT: then again, pando is windows. >.<

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 21:24

#11

Dukeplatypus

I don't get the problem,

I don't get the problem, really. I use Steam and Windows and it almost always updates in 5-10 minutes. If it actually freezes (program stops responding for extended period of time, not just the bar stopping), then that's something else. I feel a lot of problems could be solved by just leaving the installer along and not ending it partway through. Even if the tome left climbs, just waiting will always be more efficient. In the mean time, just play another game.

Wed, 08/01/2012 - 23:14

#12

Autofire

Yes, but

not all of us CAN use steam. Linux doesn't have steam, and if your computer is a touch old, chances are SK will go very slow if you run steam with it.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 01:11

#13

Asukalan

As stated above, download

As stated above, download speed is not slow. When THERE IS connection to SK update server it go full speed even 10 Mb/s but even if there is connection it last only for max 6 seconds, then there is completly flat line with minor spikes of 480b/s (propably firewall communication) and then after minutes, usually 10min + the SK update server decides to connect again, im downloading data with full speed for exact same time as before, max 6 seconds and then flat line again ( i have network monitor so i can check speeds, times of connection, amount of data in real time).

Also, you say OOO is not wealthy company yet recently they launched brand new game. Wow, where did they got money from? Hint, milking other games. Instead of upgrading servers and improving gameplay experience on currently existing games they launch brand new game. Quantity over quality?

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 03:51

#14

Abyssal-Flamberge

It does not take that long to

It does not take that long to update/install. The game launches if it was updating, meaning if you have background music on you will hear the login screen music.

What Mr. Luguiru said is correct.

Thu, 08/02/2012 - 06:12

#15

Dukeplatypus

@Autogun

They are making Steam for Linux. Expect it around the same time as another HL3 non-announcement.

Fri, 08/03/2012 - 16:09

#16

Kazujaxyz

@Dukeplatypus: Valve-Time does not amuse me :/

I'm using Linux from conviction, but I have my Spiral Knights account on steam. Now, while it's one of the few games that run per wine-steam without any complicated setup and absolutely without any performance-problems, I think that Linux-steam might give a huge performance boost for me and also allows my other steam-games to work on linux. Too bad Valve likes taking a bit too much time while announcing things too early...

But well, that's offtopic. Compared to Steam-SK, normal SK downloads quite slow. That's a simple fact. And IMHO the difference souldn't be supposed to be that extreme.

To the original post:

A single sound to indicate that the game is finished installing might be neat. Not too important, but neat. And easy to do, anyway.

And I also agree in making the servers let people download more efficiently. We can't expect OOO to just buy more servers or something like this so that people can easier download stuff. Instead, they should do their best letting the downloads be managed more advantageous. A better system always means a better download experience. Torrenting might be a neat idea, too.

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