My idea is that like the auction house. CE has a time limmit on the market meaning that if you were to put in an offer for 10-9kcr for 100 ce today (which is likely to take a few weeks to sell) and it doesnt get bought in 1 day it gets taken off. that way people cant just get ce and put it on the market at a really high price and wait for it to rise enought to get allot of money, rather than competing to get the sell. Doing this wont effect the market too much but help people who need to craft and use CE (everyone) especially Noobs.
A DIFFERENT idea to help lower/stop raising ce prices.
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 05:08
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 05:30
#2
uh
Once again, Dagunner, stop it.
No.
Get out of my house.
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 07:17
#3
Melisan wins the thread.
Enough said.
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 07:36
#4
/congratulate Melisan
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 21:02
#5
Ugh
/slap Melisan /slap Thunderbog /slap Derpules /slap Aplauses Maybe he means just to make it almost exactly like AH, The more the starting offer, the higher a ce selling fee, so 8k for 100 ce would have something like a offer fee combined w/ a fee for the time of selling. Really, you people are waaay into yourselves, you don't even try to see the other's point and just as Atrumvindex says in {http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/62890} you might be one of those people except for the fact that you actually don't think about other's posts. Im stepping in your shoes but you people are like buzzards in a desert,
a suggestive, helpful desert w/ bloodthirsty buzzards flying about stabbing the supportful guts out of people who's ideas don't fit your wants. What type of people deserve to live in the horrible, horrible desert of this??
Even if you have a grammatical advantage over others, that does not prove your idea to be optimal, in fact,grammar has nothing to do w/ this at all!! its the
thought that counts, and I bet no matter how many insults you launch at Dagunner, he will still be a wall of tough, refined osmium on the inside protecting his thoughts
Tue, 08/28/2012 - 21:33
#6
"Doing this wont effect the market too much"
"help lower/stop raising ce prices"
vs
"Doing this wont effect the market too much"
"Doing this wont effect the market too much"
""Doing this wont effect the market too much"
Seriously??
Sorry, this isn't a matter of grammar elitism. It's simple common sense. If your suggestion is intended to affect the market by lowering CE prices, and you then go on to say that it actually won't affect the market very much, something is very wrong.
I'll be happy to give more detailed feedback if the OP can clear up this basic logical inconsistency in how his/her idea is supposed to work.
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 00:00
#7
when I said it wont have too
when I said it wont have too much effect I meant it wouldn't lower the price too much and have an instant huge impact -_-
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 01:57
#8
Heres something I found..........
Here's something I found form another post discussing CE prices and I think it makes quite a bit of sense
"To control a market you only need a good the consumer wants and that you can limit. As long as there a players they can control the market. If you honestly think that by "just not buying CE" you could lower the prices than you obviously know nothing of how economy works and shouldn't talk about it in the first place.
Basically you are trying to solve the oil problem. That, too, is not a problem you can solve by telling everyone to "just use less" because society itself is build upon using it as a primary energy source for all kinds of things. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? The consumer has no influence on a market under such conditions as ours." *This was written by El-Odio from the post here http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/62811 *
To sum it all up, I disagree, sorry.
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 02:02
#9
@Dagunner
So your idea to lower the price won't lower the price very much?
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 02:14
#10
Toaster-overloud either get
Toaster-overloud either get on topic or get out.
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 08:14
#11
?
@ Derpules When did I say that my idea wont lower ce prices or stabilize them? you cant just use one simple phrase to bombard everyone that tries to help, DIE idea BOOM! DIE idea BOOM! DIE idea BOOM! this is forums, you post helpful things and DONT argue w/ others, its not your decision, its GMs decision, you're just coming up w/ ideas and NOT stomping others' down. Notice how you're acting like grammar doesnt matter yet you're trying to take advantage by using that simple tiny phrase? Correct buzzards in that last post, change it into LANGUAGE PROFESSOR buzzards.
@Melisan WHICH part of your last post was helpful in any way or form? we all have ideas and would you like me to stomp down every one of your ideas?
like seriously people, read, this is not law school, this is forums, nobody gives a crap if your mouth wins, but the question is, do you actually win over the forums? Oh, and Im pretty sure that GMs wont appreciate that personal insult you just made
If you think I made another useless post and are planning to use my words against me, you can kiss that thought good bye
How bout the ce market functions exactly like the market? I cant cover all the details but thats your problem since you're so good at law
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 08:46
#12
The idea works, if it also takes a fee for not being able to sell the energy in the allocated time. That way abusers will actually lose money, rather than just waste time.
Didnt we have a similar discussion a few weeks ago?
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 08:59
#13
This is not about the language you used.
This is about what you're actually claiming.
Are you saying this will bring down CE significantly, or not? Simple question.
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 09:20
#14
Read behind the lines.
Dagunner's comment about his idea not affecting the market much seems intended to demonstrate humility. He's not pretending to think that it'll be a game-changer like some people do. I don't think he knows for sure what effect it will have.
You'll have to admit it's a step up from know-it-all noobs.
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 11:31
#15
you're off topic again
you're off topic again toaster-overloud.
"you post helpful things and DONT argue w/ others" the best ideas come from debating with others, it's a refining process not a stomping process. now stop behaving like a spoilt brat and shh.
Wed, 08/29/2012 - 16:41
#16
Some logic found...
Based on what you are saying: it'll cause the abusers to lose money and allow the market to have good standing with no expensive CE? "Better" maybe?
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 05:49
#17
You are the reason my threads fail.
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 07:50
#18
/derp
@Derpules yes eventually when people want their ce sold the fastest the prices will come crashing down
@Melisan Best Ideas come from debate. What is wrong here?Its the fact that ALL of your posts have been about me just so you could get the pleasure of shutting me up. IN YOUR DREAMS!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh wait, Im STILL talking in your dreams so that doesnt change a thing and have you suggested ONE helpful thing yet? You use that simple unassured phrase as a gatling gun, shooting all of those people who even try to help, in this case, you're more a nuisance to this post than a swarm of Beryl Greavers to a party equipped w/ Umbra drivers! as you said, "Get on topic or get out"
@Shy-master yes, quite exactly, unless people are desperate enough to not wait and just shoot for the highest price.
@Fehzor ... I dont get it
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 09:40
#19
you're making yourself look
you're making yourself look foolish toaster. shh
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 12:34
#20
Melisan, just....don't
If that's all you got to say, regarding the fact you have been of no help at all, you should stop posting because ^^^ is hypocritical, How am I making myself look foolish? I'm only trying to help, if helping is foolish, you need to get off the computer and visit a local psychiatrist. You're like a paperweight on top of files and files of creative thoughts who crushes people's chance to talk, perforate the last remains of their helpful posts w/ your tomfoolery and incinerate everything helpful that doesn't look good to you, you're a spiked, flaming, paperweight who is made of unhelpful reinforced ununoctium, who buys that type of paperweight?
Seriously, give new forumers a chance to post w/o being criticized, if you cant think of anything good, just don't post, its easy as that. You don't say shh to people who you don't like the ideas of; its just plain wrong, its basically judging someone by their favorite fruit~ Banana? here's a gold bar, watermelon? here's a bullet in the head. It doesn't matter what Ideas we come up w/, you have no right to make us feel bad because of an idea! It's not your decision, its the GM's
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 12:50
#21
Why is there so much whining
Time limits and taxes on posted energy sales.
I want to see numbers, not soiled diapers.
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 12:56
#22
wait a minute!
Is he getting bashed for saying it will not effect the market?
O_O
Holy frijoles! ! !
Did Toaster figure out how to make prices drop and the P2P community is trying to shun him???!!!
adding time limit to CE. hmmmm....why not?
example
Mr Rich-a-Tron adds 55 x 100 CE at 8.5k.
Nobody buys it in one day.
Mr Rich-a-Tron then adds 55x100 CE at 8 K.
about 30 ppl buy.
Mr Rich-a-Tron wants money so puts offer of 25 x 100 CE at 7K.
pattern continues and crisis is solved!
or am i seeing this wrong? adding time limit like all the other items in SK is not gonna work?
p.s. @ Melisan in jersey we say something along the lines, "You jus got burnnedd!"
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:11
#23
Same applies to the other side.
Bob needs some CE to craft his 3* set.
He sees the current buy offer is pretty high, and thinks it will go down.
He puts in three offers at a few tens of cr lower than the current buy offer.
Nobody accepts it in a day.
Now Bob must bid up. etc.
Realistically, though, if the offer (whether buy or sell) was too low/high to get accepted in 24h, the seller would have taken it down and put in a new set of offers anyway. Take your example: your hypothetical seller wants the cr relatively quickly. He wouldn't have waited around for another day or two, even if the offers stayed up.
In any case, relisting every 24h is no trouble at all. For these reasons, I really doubt this idea would have any effect on prices.
Thu, 08/30/2012 - 13:50
#24
@Canine-Vladmir "p.s. @
@Canine-Vladmir "p.s. @ Melisan in jersey we say something along the lines, "You jus got burnnedd!"" is that because you cannot spell or speak correctly? maybe they should open some schools in jersey in that case.
Why must feedback be positive? "if you cant think of anything good, just don't post" what if it is a poor/ineffectual idea? do you just ignore it and leave the poster thinking that they had a great idea? Or should you let them know? Feedback is feedback whether it be positive or negative. The OP isn't all that well thought through, it contradicts itself (not "demonstrate[s] humility) and is just another CE thread that should go to the graveyard.
You may think that you are very clever toaster but you over use adjectives and your point becomes lost, try being more concise and maybe you won't look like a child trying to sound like an adult.
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 12:25
#25
exactly
@Luguiru it is not our decision on %of tax and time limit, the GMs get the decision because 1. They assist the game, and 2. its only logical they get to choose because they actually understand SK's economical equilibrium, if they don't choose, as I mentioned above the prices and times could function exactly like AH, and since nobody has made a post called "AH selling taxes and time unfair" I don't see that as a problem
@Derpules would you REALLY repeatedly lose cr continuously trying to sell ce for 9k while the customers get pricey and wont buy any until its back to around 6k? People who are desperate for ce will succumb, but people who are patient WILL get a difference in ce prices. Now apply that to the other side. PS, dont use cr as an anchor because even if ce sells for 6k and the seller is sad, they can always buy ce instead of sell, and besides that there's grinding FSC. Also, notice the tax is only for selling ce, not offering to buy
@Melisan, you cant beat one person in posts so you move onto the next person? Will you at least just quit whining and actually post ONE thing helpful? if point becomes lost then here, use these simple words= Ce sell time/ce cost = ce tax, ce tax = less daring sellers= lower ce cost. If you didnt understand that, I cannot help you. Do you have your own point that you can cling onto when you finally manage to destroy my idea? Say, if you got new jeans would you like people going "wow the're so cool" or people going "wow, those jeans make you look fat", based on that; the jeans don't make you actually look fat, people are teasing you because they dont have their own which leads to; why are you attacking my idea when you don't even have your own? You're just being that devilite who ticks people off by throwing furniture at them and just waiting for the killing blow when someone finally decides to put DBB right next to you. How is my idea ineffectual? you cant leap off Derpules's idea w/o actually considering all the facts, its like somebody pays you to jump on a green thing for $100 and you "sure" w/o considering what is wrong about the situation, you jump, "Oh no! I landed on a jagged rock that is covered in brambles and cacti!!!!" so the point is; can YOU prove me wrong? and if so do YOU have an idea? cause unless you're a mr. 100% complete and just wanting to sell ce, you shouldn't argue blindly.
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 12:59
#26
It's not about beating
It's not about beating anyone, but you seem to have that attitude, which isn't actually very constructive. Now i'm going to leave this sad post to sink into oblivion where it belongs.
Fri, 08/31/2012 - 14:06
#27
Let's end this.
Toaster, you want a rational and non-aggressive answer right? Then let me give you a few insights on the topic and your idea.
First of, the GMs, Programmers and Developers have a very limited understanding of the "economical equilibrium", which is quite obvious, given that the current situation is their fault to begin with. Also, I highly doubt anyone on the team to have graduated in economics, because why would someone like that bother with the economy of a game?
But to get to the core of your idea: It can not work like you hope it would. Wait, let me explain: You are trying to impose a "rich-people-tax" on CE sellers, right? Making them pay higher fees for offering CE and having them lose that money if the CE don't sell within x amount of time. Generally, that is not the worst idea and it could make a difference - BUT you forget where they get their CE.
If you actually impose anything on those that try to sell you the CE they will simply stop to do so. If their CE is not worth the best grinding can give, why would they buy CE with their precious money? Those that sell CE want to have fun without needing to grind, but they do not have access to open ended bank accounts. If they get less for their money they will probably buy less CE or start using it differently. That in return would make CE even more valuable, raising costs even more. If you can wait to buy, why shouldn't they?
To sum it up: If you tie the hands of the CE buyers you hurt the hand that feeds you. You must understand, that the P2P community pays for your fun. They are not any more "evil" than the F2P communtiy. After all, you are asking to have them pay for the CE and sell to you at a lower price, because you yourself are not willing or able to pay with real money.
If you would want to help the market you would in fact have to endorse people to buy CE. You should not punish CE that are not sold within a certain amount of time, but reward CE that has been sold in a certain amount of time. The more people see a reason to sell CE the lower the price will go. However, unfortunatly this idea is not to my liking and a pain to realize. What should you reward? In which amount of time do you reward? Will it actually draw in more buyers? That's not something I want to bother with and this was just an example.
"Doing this wont effect the market too much " Then why bother? if the idea is to lower ce prices and you admit your idea won't do that, why waste forum space?