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Pro bomber seeking help from pro gunners

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Tue, 08/28/2012 - 16:38
Marazo's picture
Marazo

Ok with quite a bit of experience in SK particularly in bombs and swords, I have not ventured far into guns.
My weapons of choice?
Nitronome
Shivermist
Glacius
Electron Vortex

Yeah, for a while Ive been thinking about getting a 5 star gun, but im having trouble figuring out which guns are good, and what they are good for.
The guns I have right now?
Radiant pulsar (regret it, I got it when it first came out and realized polaris was better)
Silversix (regret it)
Super Blaster (possibiltity of Valiance?)
Voltech Alch (been thinking of Storm driver)

So, to sum it up, Im looking to see if Valiance and Storm Diver are good, and what they are good at. I know Polaris is a valid option but I know the knockback can annoy teamates (good solo gun?). Suggestions on other guns that are good would be helpful too.

Armour is:
Mad Bomber Mask
Mad Bomber Suit/Vog Cub Coat (i use vog for vanny)

Thx in advance for the help.

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 17:12
#1
Milkman's picture
Milkman
I'd go valiance. It seems

I'd go valiance. It seems you after a good all-round gun for back-up purposes. Valiance does decent damage against all families and its bullets are also fast enough to hit dodging enemies (if only just). The mini-knockback it applies is also quite useful.

If you wanted to make more than 1 gun, I'd also go ahead and make that storm driver, because if you can learn to use the ricochets well, it is a very nice gun.

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 17:35
#2
Zeddy's picture
Zeddy
I'm a bomber with backup guns

You should get Polaris because it's great against every turret and turrets are the only reason you need a gun. It also compensates for the fact that the only damage-focused elemental bomb kinda sucks.

You could also get Callahan beacuse it's nice for hitting Devilites with.

You could also get Iron Slug because it's nice for hitting Devilites AND it will interrupt turrets. Then again, Valiance.

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 18:38
#3
Dark-Flare's picture
Dark-Flare
/agree valiance

I was messing around with my alt bomber which had a bomb and a blaster. Being effective on all monsters is very helpful, and the minor knockback helps a ton, especially for pushing monsters juust out of range of attacking you (that is, when they are attacking you)

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 19:29
#4
Nater-Tater's picture
Nater-Tater
hmmmm

i have to say valiance, personally it is my favorite weapon and if you catch me without it something is seerusly wrong. also, many people are scared of blasters, the buff made it amazing but before it was lackluster, so if you want something more mainstream use the supernova. its good at knocking back all the things. if you want a damage gun i would get the storm driver.

-Nater

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 21:58
#5
Tenkii's picture
Tenkii
:;

Nova driver is nice for PVE (for elementa-weak families) because of its higher damage. Storm driver is a good second, though depending on what you're fighting, the shock can help slow enemy movement down. This can be a good or bad thing.

For PVP, I think storm driver is the best damaging/utility gun, since shock is an amazing status. Valiance as a good 1v1/kiting gun though.

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 22:19
#6
Poopsie's picture
Poopsie
...

wonder why noone mention blitz?

blitz needle, umbra driver, and nova driver does the job for me in PvE, with ctr/damage trinkets/armor/uv
They are the best potential damage for each respective attack types.
Silversix/Argent Peacemaker still decent, average damage but safe.
Valiance is just mediocre in PvE, the damage is really low. After playing PvE for a while, you will hate the knock back.

Tue, 08/28/2012 - 22:43
#7
Marazo's picture
Marazo
THX

Ok thank you and keep in mind that I have 6,900 CE and 320k crowns sitting around. (from the lack of getting 5* things recently) So I can easily afford a couple of guns.

Im an old school player (I started shortly before the release of Snarby, perfect time to run him too) and I took a break from playing from Halloween to the beginning of August, so Im not sure what exactly what this newfangled Valiance buff is. Fill me in?

Based on your suggestions I'm probably gonna go for a Valiance and a Storm Driver, I like the all around concept, just like my nitro. The storm driver because its shock, and I heard it can heavy damage to crowds because of its bounce. Polaris is an option for me in the future.

Also, because during school I only use 2 weapons (most of the 30 days would go to waste) I was thinking of sometimes going sword-gun instead of my usual sword-bomb, which means I would need a proper helmet. Suggestions on a non-bomb related helmet that would benefit sword-gun? It doesn't even have to benefit my gun. Remember, I have that extra vog coat, so I only need a helmet.

Thank you persons (thats a word btw)

@Poopsie: i find it weird how 5 out of 6 people think valiance is an option, and in regards to blitz, personally, I hate the immobility and I realize the massive amount of damage the charge can cause, but its not me. And also, I own a NITRONOME, you can't say I hate knockback.

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 01:45
#8
Aureate's picture
Aureate
Processing Thoughts of You Always

The newfangled Valiance buff is pretty much rectifying the gun to what it should originally have been.
All of the Blaster line guns will now deal knockback on their normal shots as well as their charges, meaning you can herd things around into mist bombs. It does decent damage against everything (it's only 'low' in comparison to specialised guns), and its bullets are reasonably fast-moving. The Valiance also happens to be favoured in t3 Lockdown due to its ability to cut through Polaris spam.

If you want a gun-benefitting helmet, I would probably go for the Shadowsun Stetson. It looks badass, has shadow defence for the odd Trojan and gives a gun damage bonus. (Plus it's a stetson. Stetsons are cool.)

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 12:47
#9
Sypsy's picture
Sypsy

To be fair, the valiance was great before the buff.

A very small group of us used it in ld before it was common (i was inspired by thisnameisinuse, who was the first effective user), and for pve it was great for all the same reasons it is great now.

On topic:

You can see the patch notes here.
The blaster line was givein a small amount of knockback.
The bullet speed increase was nice but not important.
The patch also increased gun damage overall.

You can try your super blaster out and see if you like the style before upgrading it to a valiance. The only difference will be the knockback on the valiance is a bit larger.
The voltech alchemer will also be similar to a storm driver, except there are more ricochets as you move to 5*. Look in the wiki for more details.

Obviously, I would recommend the valiance too. It's the most satisfying single gun to use (excluding things like dual-drivers switching.)
- The polaris/supernova is annoying with its slow bullet speed. You are right that that knockback is annoying in teams, and if you play in teams frequently, you wouldn't use it very often. When solo, it is effective, but you can't help feel like you are just shooting a wall of spam to get through a level.
- As a sidearm, I would advise against the storm driver. The two shot limit of alchemers is annoying as it means slow breaking of blocks and minerals. The slower bullet speed and narrow hit box means you need to place your shots right, and this is not even considering ricochets. For someone who is bombing, you have enough to think about, so I would think it would just be too frustrating or inefficient. If you were planning to play with only guns, then it's not too bad.
- An AP is useful for its fast block breaking and mineral breaking capabilities and anti-turret damage, but there is no knockback (which is useful or not, depending on the situation) and it's not nearly as satisfying as the valiance. You have a silversix, so I'm sure you already understand. It was buffed in February to be pure elemental, so it's more useful outside of fsc.

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As to a helmet, will you ever do gun-gun? If not, then you should get a helmet that will benefit the sword since it will give you more damage. A shadowsun will give some damage on your gun, but you'd get more damage from a skolver cap on your sword. The only exception would be that your gun is your main source of damage and the sword is only when something happens to come close.

What swords will you be using btw? UV?

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 16:21
#10
Marazo's picture
Marazo
Thank you Aureate and

Thank you Aureate and Sypsy,

My only 5* sword is the Glacius that I will bring practically everywhere. But Im probably gonna get a thorn blade and GF to get all the types.

I might go for a Vog cap instead of Skolver just cause I like speed better, and that GF is gonna need help. Plus when I dont Shiver on vanny runs I could be practically immune to fire. (are you immune to fire?)

@Sypsy the little UVs I have on my gear are not even worth mentioning (I think I have contruct low on the blaster). I might try to spam craft with my alt and main during school days, a UV off of a blaster and voltech so I can get something decent like ASI or CTR.

Thank you, and hope this thread helps other people decide on the right gun.

Edit: I forgot to mention that I also got a 3 variant ticket from the RSS update. (only good thing from it...)
And I also just noticed the massive Master Gunslinger thread that appeared out of nowhere...Sigh*....

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 16:54
#11
Sypsy's picture
Sypsy

Your situation is not a full gunslinger, so don't worry about not having to have posted in that.

I would sell the 3 variant ticket (160k cr?)
You would be better off rolling 8 times than using the ticket once.
Or crafting over time, as you already suggested.

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If you are going to be using a glacius, I would not do the storm driver since you would have nothing to kill gremlins and beasts effectively. That being said, gunning them in with a valiance is a pain, so I would suggest getting that thorn blade to attack them both for when the glacius would be useful for a level. I suppose you could bomb with your nitro.

Wed, 08/29/2012 - 20:54
#12
Nater-Tater's picture
Nater-Tater
it depends really...

mah valiance has ctr vh add that to level ten and seerus mask and you get happy fun time, but in all honesty asi is better for it. another thing i noticed is that you already have a well rounded set, replace the nitro and you my freind have just become a support, replace the electron and you lose a lot of your glaciuses usefulness, replace the shiver and much of you crowd control is lost. iwont ask you to remove the glacius unless you get a trollaris or a shiny valiance, so it becomes a question of what you are willing to sacrifice to get a gun in your loadout

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 00:16
#13
Eeks's picture
Eeks
I'm not a gunner

I'm not a gunner but I'm a bomber that has used guns. I think polaris is a very good weapon for bombers. We really don't have a good answer against turrets other than getting close to them and polaris does a good job at attack cancel/turret sniping. As far as annoying your teammates, yes it can be annoying if you use it wrong. I'm assuming you're good at using nitronome as CC in group situations; the polaris isn't much different and bombers will definitely pick it up and use it more effectively faster than other people who aren't used to using knockback as CC.

I'm not sure what you plan on removing for your gun though. When I ran polaris I did a polaris + 3 bomb loadout but I ended up switching back to glacius because cleanup duty is a lot faster with a sword.

Thu, 08/30/2012 - 14:49
#14
Ramboguy's picture
Ramboguy
gunz gunz gunz

You could try Hail Driver or Nova Driver, i would go for Hail because as you use a Shivermist Buster you already would know how to work out with it, nova has a bit more of damage but .. meh..
2 shots clip?
just shoot shield shoot shield has good damage not like those 70-90 damage from AP
and the charge is just epic.
I never tried valience, and i do not want to i just do not like the gun itself D:

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