"Instead of coming up with a solution for everyone I only want the price to lower so I can be selfish."

For U.S. residents or people who have been keeping up with our politics for the past couple years, remember when Newt Gingrich promised to lower gas prices as part of his presidential campaign? That is what these threads are. They are equally blind to the actual problems in the world and instead focus on whatever is in front of their faces.

The stranger thing has been suggested before, and if you want that the price is going to have to be somewhere around 20k or more, because that would mean infinite source of CE.

And don't forget: You are NOT THE ONLY ONE that wants CE market price to lower.

THE MARKET IS CONTROLLED BY PLAYERS AND YOUR ASKING EVERYBODY TO LOWER THEIR OWN FREEDOM! Please don't ever suggest a suggestion like this. No offense in anyway.

Not to be a noob, but if CE prices are 16k, I'm sure lots of protesters will be on the forums moaning about CE

I pay money for energy. i sell it at whatever crown price i see fit. If OOO forces my hand, I stop buying/sellng, game dies.
OOO may try to persuade me with promos and sinks, but shouldnt take direct actions.

I'm overreacting, but you get the idea.

if u need to pay lots and lots of cr to pay ce then who would buy ce??? if the price dont stay the same this game is total ripoff cause it will keep increasing and increasing and BOOOM! the next day the ce price will get so high. my opinion is makin the ce price the same, even staying still in 9k is enough because u dont need to worry about increasing. my wish is ce staying the same price. this morning i thought the ce price was 8.5kcr so i woke up to buy 100ce becaue i need to buy ascend calibur i had 200ce and 100mist. But i was suprised that the ce was so expensive so now i dont have ascend calibur.D: So lets hope that someone does something.

I wish some of the "Veteran Forum users" to think of a solution for CE prices
The prices is controlled by people ( which most of them do like this ) :

1. Prices are at 6k for example then a greedy player comes and try his luck and puts offer for 6500 cr
2. Another greedy player sees this and decide to challenge the other one and puts it for 6800 cr
3. Like 2 ...
4. Like 2 ...
5. Next day you wake up and see that the prices are at 7500 cr !

I don't really have an idea or solution for this , but , I think it would be good to make a large sink of CE ( By developers ofc ) Let's say about 2 million CE ? I don't know how much people buy each month . And this sink sells for the same price through the month . And did anyone mention removing the "CE market " ? If so , is it a good idea or bad ?

I didn't understand the meaning of sink at first >.<
Edit : I am with Aureate about creating more crown sinks but we have to think what things will get people to spend their crowns on it ? Especially end-game players

How about making new reskins as Aureate or make more good looking accessories but for not very expensive prices ( So the poorer people can buy it ) and ofc if it is not expensive alot of people will buy it and they won't sell it for profit . But how to put the accessories : put them in featured because if these new accessories came from Iron Lockboxes it will get expensive , because most of people are impatient and will buy it directly rather than buying a key and look for one ...

List of "gravely misinformed" people in this thread:
Owaoforum
Benightz
Xxdragneel

This are the people that stated that the players are responsible for the CE Prices, which is WRONG.

We do not have any control over the market.
Yes, it is us who set the offers for CE and CR. BUT we do not have any control over the amount of CE that can be offered. The need for it, is, by OOO, made to be high. You need CE for almost everything, while crowns are of little use. But to get CE into the market you need players that pay with real money. With this CE is made the rarest good and as such automatically prone to be expensive.
IF CE where farmable, than yes, by all means, it's our market. But as it is now we have almost no control over it.

We are basically facing the oil problem. That, too, is not a problem you can solve by telling everyone to "just use less" because society itself is build upon using it as a primary energy source for all kinds of things. Sounds familiar, doesn't it? The consumer has no influence on a market under such conditions as ours.

There have been innummerable threads about CE lately and I have grown so sick of the people who think themselfs to be so clever and really know nothing about a working economy. If that is your opinion then your opinion is wrong, it's as easy as that.

If OOO is the only one who can find a solution as you said, then they are the ones controlling the market.
Greedy players have nothing to do with it, because they are the people who give you any CE in the first place. They are not greedy and evil as people like you like to call them. They are the only freakin people that buy CE from OOO in the first place - without them you'd either have no CE to buy at all and the game would be dead or you would have to pay the only person who still does it 25k or more for 100 CE. They pay money, so they only demand as much crowns as their hard cash is worth at the moment.
OOO on the other hand limits the uses of Crowns and CE. At the moment this game runs on CE and Crowns are fairly useless, except for UVs and to buy CE. And where does CE come from? Right, from OOO.

The lack of P2P Players is the reason the prices are so high. Less CE on the market with an unchanged demand results in higher prices on the limited supply. If more people paid for CE the prices would drop. This is the reason why this game is a farce - it's not really "F2P". Someone HAS to pay for you to be able to play. Without CE you couldn't even get past 2* equipment, because 3* needs 100 ME and 100 CE.

As I've said elsewhere, F2P just means "you, the individual, need not pay". Someone somewhere always has to pay. This would be so even if it was, say, accessories and not CE that was bought with cash. Under this imaginary "accessories for cash" model, what would happen if no one bought accessories? Well, you'd still be able to craft--but you'd have no game to craft in.

If the fact that someone needs to pay makes a game P2P, then there is no such thing as a truly F2P MMO.

Could you clarify?

Does anyone know what happens when a game is completely free to play?
Has anyone heard of Endless-Online?

Beep boop.

I would think one obvious solution would be to standardize the amount of crowns earned per stratum and scale this amount appropriately.

By standardizing the amount per stratum, players aren't locked into doing just KoA. With new alternatives, the player no longer feels bad for doing something he might enjoy without suffering a massive crown loss by not doing KoA.

By scaling the amount appropriately, players can better keep up with the KoA efficiency. One problem with the current system is that KoA is, per mist, wildly more efficient than anything else in the game. This kills new blood that wants to build towards a 5* set but is forced to pay exorbitant CE prices in a market sustained by KoA payouts and not JK or stratum 5 payouts. The vicious circle completes itself in that without a 5* set, you don't have reliable access or contribution to KoA.

I mean, 9k per 100 CE feels bad, but it feels much worse when you aren't operating at the efficiency of KoA. In the end, the cost is expensive only relative to what you earn, so if you can make it such that 9k Cr is similarly easy to come by from any source (not just KoA), it won't be as bad.

I'll digress a little here. In my opinion, the above solution should be taken one step further and a fixed price set on the market, then specific payouts given for each stratum. Coins could represent proportions of a levels payout (collect 50% of coins, receive 50% of the payout). With both the primary source of income and primary expense fixed, a controlled market will exist that has far less potential to spiral out of control. Sooner or later, the rising costs of CE of this free market system will destroy the game as doing anything in the game becomes prohibitively expensive unless you do KoA, and no one wants 90% of their SK experience to be defined by KoA. It's better to have a larger and more stable player base that will continually put out real currency to quicken their progress in the game. By extension, OOO needs to make more than 30-40% of their equipment competitively viable - in both the PvE and PvP scene - so that players are encouraged to continue crafting and spending money. This also has the bonus of keeping the game from getting stale and retaining players because as content becomes more accessible or worthwhile, the game becomes richer and more interesting for players.

I believe these ideas are all far more important than more crown sinks. For whatever reason, crown sinks have proven to be largely temporary solutions or mere hindrances to an inevitable rise in costs. There is a reason for the rising costs. As long as you can spend 100 mist and make more than 100 CE for it in return, CE prices will rise. The quickest route to a permanent solution is to find a way to address either the free market's ability to fluctuate or balance the payouts so that players don't feel the costs as much.