Spiral Knights - Shield Bonus.

Shield Bonus.

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Dom, 09/16/2012 - 05:30

Aznlife

Ok,I've been reading the wiki the last 2 days.
I'm on the shield now and there is no shield bonus for Gunners or Bombers.
Yes,I know about Swiftstrike Buckler bonus with ASI High.I know it work for Sword and Guns,not sure about Bombs.But it is a three star shield that is meant for tier two and i know some tier three people bring it with them for the ASI bonus (like i do) ,other than that,its not much of use.
There is one shield line bonus for sword,so why can't there be one for Gunners and Bombers.
The shield line bonus for sword is the following :

Bristling Buckler
Twisted Targe
Dark Thorn Shield
Barbarous Thorn Shield

so,why can't there be at least one shield line that has bonus for Bombers and Gunners?

Dom, 09/16/2012 - 06:44

Raisinfist

Coupla things.

1. This should go into Suggestions. Please move it there.

2. There is no reason why there shouldn't be a shield for bombers/gunners, especially for bombers since the Swifty doesn't affect them, but someone has to think of names/stats/ideas for what they look like first. Usually this falls to the OP to do (That's you, Aznlife), so it would be kinda nice if you could do that.

3. How can you make the new shields make sense? (Swifty, being smaller, allows more mobility and lets people attack faster; BTS is spiky and people stab their targets with it to deal extra damage etc.)

4. Where/how will you get these shields? The BTS is kinda OP, so it's a boss weapon. You'd need to design a boss to go with the shields. I'd recommend finding another good idea and making the lowest-star varients boss rewards. Mind, the Swifty is VERY OP, so it doesn't have to be a boss shield.
(4.5. If boss shields, how much do they cost?)

Apart from that, good idea.

Dom, 09/16/2012 - 07:01

Little-Juances

Switfstrike is all a good gunner needs, even if it's 3*. Swordsmen are in the front, taking damage. Gunners have range, they can kill half the monsters from a safe distance.

Dom, 09/16/2012 - 07:23

Krakob

I kinda think that gunners

I kinda think that gunners should have one but Juances makes a valid point. Gunners stay ranged and have some good crowd control tools, namely Pulsars and Valiance. Therefore, I'd say Swiftstrike is shield enough for them. Now, let's think about it a bit more.

What's the greatest bonus for Swordies? Damage.
What's the greatest bonus for Gunners? Damage.
What's the greatest bonus for Bombers? CTR.
What do we get when we bring a weapon to it's max level? CTR.

Therefore, Swordies need Armour, Helm and Shield to reach max damage without trinkets. Gunners need a trinket to do this. On the other hand, they can use Swiftstrike without being placing themselves in great danger so I say that makes up for it. Bombers, on the other hand, need only Armour and Helm to reach max CTR, which means they're free to use whichever shield they please, thus making their sets more efficient if they want to max their most useful bonus.

If it were the same case as for Bombers, Swordies would gain an even bigger advantage in LD as they'd just need a single trinket or Skolver/Snarby piece to reach max damage increase, provided they'd be Strikers. I think the system's fine as it is.

Dom, 09/16/2012 - 11:05

Halifix

It doesn't HAVE to give ctr.

It doesn't HAVE to give ctr. I'd be perfectly happy with a bomb damage bonus shield. Among other things, while bombs do build up damage drastically with ctr, some swords scale with ctr as well. While swordsmen can guard against each damage type with their armor, only bombastic gives medium bomb damage bonus for each piece, and you're forced to have piercing defense.

Gunners have a decent time with their swiftstrike, although they have trouble in enclosed spaces.

Dom, 09/16/2012 - 11:11

Bopp

bombing is much easier to max out

People are raising good points. I'd just like to add: For swords and guns, you'd like to max out ASI, CTR, and damage bonus. For bombs, you'd like to max out just CTR and damage bonus, and you have a particular armor (Mad Bomber) that gives you +2 on each. Consequently, it is much easier for a bomber to completely max out his gear than for a sworder or gunner.

I'd like to see more diverse bomber armor, to protect against piercing and shadow. I don't think that a shield is needed.

Dom, 09/16/2012 - 11:14

Darkbrady

Krakob's right. Bombers

Krakob's right. Bombers don't have a shield because we don't need one. It's very easy to get max:max on all your bombs before you even equip a shield, which presents us with the unique opportunity of being able to switch and change shields around as we please. One option is to get shields built for defence to keep you alive in each map. Personally, I have Swifty, BTS (and a lot of defence shields) so that my supplementary sword/gun can receive a buff on top of my max:max bombs.

S'very easy for a bomber to get max:max bombs and throw in an asi:high dmg:med sword on top of it, making you incredibly versatile. Giving a bomber a shield would be...well, honestly it'd be redundant by this point.

Dom, 09/16/2012 - 12:26

Oatmonster

Lick

Little known fact; ASI actually does affect bombs. It increases the speed at which you pull up and put away a bomb. As such, it is actually impossible to max out bomb bonuses. The highest ASI you can get is ultra (SSB and fallen set).

Dom, 09/16/2012 - 12:30

Bopp

good point

Good point, Oatmonster. Has anyone tested the size of this effect thoroughly?

The Lancer Knightz sword and handgun data show that each level of CTR adds 1 or 2 charges per minute, while the difference between ASI+0 and ASI+6 adds about 1 charge per minute. So the ASI charge effect in swords and guns is pretty small.

Dom, 09/16/2012 - 13:52

Dukeplatypus

@Oatmonster

Old ASI bomb UVs

Dom, 09/16/2012 - 14:08

#10

Trying

I'm pretty sure those dont exist anymore and even if they did they're stuck in the inventory of someone who quit.

Dom, 09/16/2012 - 14:39

#11

Oatmonster

Lick

@Dukeplatypus, Oh yeah, I forgot about those. Well it's no longer possible to max out bomb bonuses.

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