How would a ASI effect bombs?
faster fuse time?
or faster walking speed? or even instant explosions?
anyway....+1

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Cant we trade that to walking speed? (ie: when charging vortex) We need MOAR love.

If there was a UV for either radius or fuse time, that could go a long way to making shard bombs worth a damn.

Swifties and Fallen gear do increase bombs ASI. The reason there's no gear specifically for Bomb ASI is because it's completely pointless.

But seriously, don't be greedy. Bombers are lucky; we only need focus on damage and CTR: have you any idea how EASY it is to get max:max on all your bombs and still have slots left to improve your sidearms? Wanting ASI bonuses is not only greedy by wanting more than a good situation, but it's also loading on a third ability that we'd have to think about, which would overall REDUCE our ability to max out bombs. How often do you see swordies with max:max;max? S'not easy to get.

It's greedy because we already have everything we want; we can max:max our bombs AND have slots left to improve sidearms. What more could we possibly want, as bombers? Oh wait, you ARE asking for more. More than the perfect situation that swordies/gunners do not get. That is being greedy.
(EDIT: I was under the impression that you were asking that bomb ASI actually *do* something, which was greedy. I now udnerstand that you're just asking for a pointless bonus to be more readily available, to which: )

Right now we have little to no ability to max out our bombs. Have you ever seen a bomb with max, max, and max?

Don't say it's hard for me to think then go and say something stupid like that. Are you serious? ASI does NOTHING to bombs. We don't need it. We don't want it. It's hard to max:max:max...but who cares? We don't WANT the third max because it does nothing.

Basically, it's like trying to max out your sleep resistance at all. Sure, you CAN do it. But why in the hell do you WANT to?
Right now, we only really have to worry about damage UVs and CTR. That's great, it's stuff we want. Throw ASI UVs on bombs and suddenly every 6th UV that pops up will be useless and it WILL piss people off. In fact, it's the exact same reason they removed sleep UVs from armour. It pissed people off to get a UV that did absolutely nothing for them.

And if some one gets that in a roll its very simple to roll again really,

Would agree with you completely...if UVs were free.

And for people without limitless wealth, who waste 1/5 of their rolls (which, on 2/3 UVs can get expensive *very* fast) on a UV that they feel is useless (as much as sleep/bomb asi may do something, no one can deny that it's essentially useless) is it really fair to ask them to keep rolling and keep spending their crowns when they get something that they can't use?

You may rather a high, useless UV to a low, useful one that you don't like, but generally most people will see low UVs as "at least something" whereas collector UVs like sleep max are basically a waste of a UV slot; they might as well not be there. It's one thing to want a collection item, but ultimately this is a game where people want practical applications. Leave expensive wastes of rolls to the fashions and accessories; don't force people to spend thousands extra on something useless when they're interested in getting practical applications out of their UVs.

Well if you're PvE based, use a swiftstrike! But in Lockdown it's different so +1

Yes, I know what bomb ASI does, but with zero ASI the animation takes less than a second. Reducing it even by 50% would be virtually unnoticeable when you spam bombs, and you'll never, ever be able to get that much reduction on it. I use Swifty and Fallen gear a lot as a bomber and I can tell you right now that I, personally, can't even notice any meaningful difference.

In my opinion, we DO get everything we want. We've been granted a weapon that ASI does not affect us positively (but also, it's not an extremely long wait anyways; it's as if we already have max, it only takes a second!) so we only have to focus on two things, whereas swordies/gunners have to focus on three things. It's nearly impossible to get max:max:max as bombers because we don't NEED it.

I mean, how hard is it for swordies/gunners to "max" (max:max:max) out their weapons? S'not easy, but they have to do it if they want to optimise, and that leaves them virtually no room for sidearm bonuses. Bombers, on the other hand, can "max" (max:max) their bombs very easily and still have space left to improve sidearms. We already have it better than everyone else BECAUSE ASI does so meaninglessly little. Why do you want more?

@Vanilla:
Seriously, don't be stupid. I mean that has to be the most naive thing I've heard in some time. If that's your philosophy, then EVERYTHING in life is free, so long as you're willing to go out and work 8 hours a day to get the money to buy the "free" goods.
No, UVing is absolutely not free, in ANY sense of the word. You may be happy to farm FSC ten times a day to spam UVs to get useless UVs, but not everybody is, and not everybody can. Some people can only afford a few UV tries (and others still can't afford to be spending money on UVs at all) so finally getting around to it then getting a UV that basically has zero effect is like a slap in the face.
Again, it's like getting sleep:max on your skolver. Great, it's a max....but it does absolutely nothing for you. Most people would rather virtually any other UV because at least it does something; getting a useless max is an insult.

On the point of useless, useless is a swift flourish with max jelly. NOT everything is FAIR.
Again, don't be stupid. That's not fair, but it's also not useless. You can use a flourish with max:jelly to negate the damage reduction against jellies, therefore making it an adequate weapon against jellies despite its type weakness. Sleep is useless because nothing will ever ever sleep you. Bomb asi is useless because the time frame is too small to matter.

Zeddys ideas for what else ASI could be are very good and would make a decent addition to bombs as they are now.

But regarding the facts of both sides as to whether or not ASI is useful: The entire point of "we DO get everything we want" already sounds wrong if it is followed by " We've been granted a weapon that ASI does not affect us positively so we only have to focus on two things". How does this sound right when you type it?
"I have everything I want, because I've been granted a car-accident where I lost my legs so I only have to focus on my hands." ASI may not be legs, of course, but the logic is the same: "I am happy because I have been restricted in what I can have so I don't have to care about what I can't have"
Being able to have ASI in a bomb would be preferable in almost all cases, as right now you have two slots for damage bonuses which are wasted on most bombs. A Haze Bomb with DB: VH against Undead and Construct would still prefer ASI, because it's not a damage weapon.

MSI low would be a bit... op. I guess it'd only effect you when you were charging the bomb? That might be a bit nicer, although even then.

Fuse time reduction would be both good and bad; if we had a way of changing/removing it I'd be into it. Some bombs benefit from short/no fuse times (haze bombs, nitronome) but others rely on their slow fuse time to the point of being their only almost-redeeming feature (shard bombs) Still for others it would be a matter of preference (bab)

Regular attacks? Yes please! The bombers could really use something like that. The devs probably won't do it though, simply because they'd have to put in a ton of effort to do it... well, maybe not. It could also be a way to balance some of the unwanted gear that no one but hipsters use (cough shard bombs+h.deconstructor)

Radius would be unbalanced unless there were augmentations to armor to buff it as well- which I wouldn't be against at all! Something like:
Bombastic: +2 radius
Volcanic: +1 radius
Mad: +2 radius
Merc. Demo: +1 radius
It'd also give way to even more demo gear, I can see something like-
Resists shadow damage+normal damage+shock; +3 radius +1 ctr

Again, you're talking about people with limitless wealth; if you can spam FSC and get 20~75k easily to spend on UVs, then great for you. But not everyone can. It's like saying that getting a ferrari is no problem; anyone can get it whenever they want. If someone already has that kind of money to spare, sure, but if you're simply not that liquid and/or have other, more important things to spend it on, it just won't happen. Some people can only afford the odd UV here and there, and to get a useless UV is a slap in the face.

And I still can't agree. Even in pvp, getting hit doesn't cancel your charge completely; it doesn't full reset, and the animation the bomb takes is literally less than a second. ASI reeductions are about 5% each, so even maxed we're talking about quarter of a second.

That's simply not noticeable in any meaningful way.

It's not about difficulty to get the money, it's about whether or not it's fair to spend your hard-earnt cash on getting something useless. It'd be like spending your money, rolling a UV and getting a message saying "Whoops; it failed!". It's essentially the same thing, it'd just piss people off.

And, as I've already explained, there's a difference between bad UVs and useless UVs. Slime high on flourish may not be good, you may reroll it, but it is still useful. It CAN be used. Get a slime:max and you can use your flourish wherever you want without worry that damage will be cut against slimes. It may not be great, but it is NOT useless, it's just not preferable. Whereas, sleep is, definitively, useless as no monster you're ever likely to meet will sleep you (in fact, I don't think Sloombargos actually cause sleep, do they?) so it cannot have a purpose. Similarly, cutting a tenth of a second off of an already less than a second animation, at the cost of getting a CTR UV (that could cut 2 seconds off of charge times) would also be considered utterly useless.

It's fine to keep unfortunate UVs on gear; it prevents you just from spamming perfect ones straight up, and gives you something in the meantime, but there's a reason they took sleep off of armour and tehre's a reason they don't have asi on bombs. Because it's not just unfortunate, it's useless. It might as well just be "Whoops, the UV failed lol".

I guarantee you it will piss off more bombers than not to get UV slots filled up with useless bonuses. Go make a thread asking them to put sleep back on armour and see how many people agree with that, because it's exactly the same.

Hey, I'm with you there; if/when sleep returns, I fully expect them to re-apply sleep to UVs, but in the meantime it's nothing more than an insult.

Whether people like it or not, it doesn't change the fact that there remains a clear-cut difference between bad and useless. You can expect people to get over the bad; it's just a risk of the gamble, but it's a whole different thing to add in entirely useless.

And I think you misunderstood me:
ASI: affects bomb lift before the charge time. With no ASI, this is less than a second. With max ASI, this is about three quarters of a second. Utterly unnoticeable difference.
CTR: several seconds to charge, at least. With max CTR, you can cut up to 2 seconds off of charge times.

What would you rather? Cutting off several seconds off of the lengthy charge times that you spam repeatedly, or cut off a completely negligible amount of time from the pre-charge? 2 seconds is a lot, CTR is far better. I'd rather get to CTR UVs quicker and easier without pointless ASI UVs popping up every few rolls, utterly wasting my money. Imagine you're rolling a 3UV (at quarter of a mil) and get two low damages and an ASI:high, when you could have had a CTR:high.

Rage will ensue.