Spiral Knights - ME : Crafting.

ME : Crafting.

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Lun, 10/15/2012 - 00:29

Majestic-Star

Hello! I am here with a suggestion, a small suggestion but a convenient one. I feel this would fix an annoying problem I have when crafting. So here it is.

When crafting it would be nice to have a check box similar to the transfer UV box, that gives the option whether to use mist energy first or not. A common problem for many people I know is that when crafting we have say... 76 ME they then proceed to craft an item that requires CE (3 star and up) and it uses their ME restricting them from playing. I know this is flawed and their is obvious solutions like playing first. But what if you needed to craft a weapon before entering a level? Please think about this suggestion. I know you can play with CE but a lot of people do not wish to use their CE on elevator fees. (Free players mostly)

Thank you for your valuable time.

Lun, 10/15/2012 - 00:54

Quotefanboy

Well the problem with what you're saying is

So hypothetically, lets say you have 500 CE and 100 mist

If you craft this item, which costs 200 energy, you can either:

Have 300 CE and 100 mist, then use 100 mist through levels to be at 300 CE and 0 Mist
or
You can be at 400 Ce and 0 mist, then use 100 ce to be at 300 CE and 0 mist

I tried so hard, and got so far, but in the end it doesn't even matter.

Lun, 10/15/2012 - 01:04

Majestic-Star

Well the problem with what YOU'RE saying is.

@Quotefanboy
Derp. Many players I have met do not wish to spend their CE on playing majority being free players. They would rather wait for their ME to regenerate then using CE as CE can be used for crating and is quite pricy at the current time.

Lun, 10/15/2012 - 01:26

Quotefanboy

I just don't see its practical purpose.

Maybe it's just me, but if you don't use your mist when crafting then you're going to use just as much CE in the end regardless. Am I not correct?

I'm simply asking the question: What is this going to change?

In the end, if you craft using 200 energy and do 10 rooms (of 10 energy a piece so 100 energy) you're going to use 300 energy.

If you use 100 mist and 100 ce on a craft, then use 100 ce on rooms you lost 300 energy
If you use 200 energy on craft and 100 mist on rooms, you lost 300 energy.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see the point. If I turn to my left to face behind me, or I turn to my right to face behind me, I'm still going to be facing the same direction. Perhaps you can explain to me the "exact usefulness" of this situation.

Lun, 10/15/2012 - 01:41

Severage

...

Unless you have OCD and can't stand seeing 730 instead of 800 CE after crafting something, QFB has a point.

If you're going to use CE instead of mist anyway, it doesn't really matter. Better for free players to use mist to craft and wait to use mist to play.

~Sev

Lun, 10/15/2012 - 04:17

Animefrek

i think this quotefanboy

i think this quotefanboy didnt read the post quite well
he wants a check box that will either confirm or decline consumption of mist energy for crafting,i have the same problem
i just want to use my crystal energy to craft before going on a mission rather than mist
maybe it doent mean anything to you but it will mean a lot to him

Lun, 10/15/2012 - 05:12

Il-Mono-Il

OMG!!!

/panic

Noobs everywear!
Now I see why children under 13 can't play this game...

Lun, 10/15/2012 - 06:14

Draycos

Quote is correct.

There is literally no reason not to use mist over CE.

Lun, 10/15/2012 - 06:19

Aureate

Processing Thoughts of You Always

Unless you really, really hate odd numbers.

Lun, 10/15/2012 - 06:32

Dukeplatypus

In OP's defense, if I end up

In OP's defense, if I end up with a wierd number, I immediately put up an offer to buy CE at 100cr per 1ce to get me back to a multiple of 100. It just looks nicer and I can afford it.

Lun, 10/15/2012 - 07:20

#10

Derpules

Good lord.

Silliest suggestion ever? Maybe.

@Duke, I don't think that's really a defence of the OP, since his/her reasoning was that "a lot of people do not wish to use their CE on elevator fees", not that people don't like having odd CE amounts. Your point makes sense; his/hers doesn't.

Lun, 10/15/2012 - 11:07

#11

Little-Juances

Mist refills, and caps at 100. If you save it, there's a high chance you'll actually waste energy.

Lun, 10/15/2012 - 12:08

#12

Darkbrady

I think it's psychological,

I think it's psychological, really. CE is the energy you've paid for (via cr or cash) and you save for crafting, reving, keys, trades etc. It's your currency, whereas ME is your freely supplied energy that's used almost exclusively for EPs or rage-crafting. Having all your ME taken away before you go out for a run makes you feel like you're spending your hard-earnt energy on runs.
The simple solution to that would be to simply do your runs before your crafts, but that's not always as option (as you may want to do the run specifically to heat up the weapon you're about to craft).

The other cause is checked budgeting. You have 100 ME to spend on elevator fees and res's, so you do your run using up your ME then when you run out, you stop until you get more ME. If you have no ME from a craft and are forced to use your CE to do your runs, you won't have that forced counter for you and may overspend your chosen budget. Some people just require budgeting checkers to not overspend.

Ofc, personally I just use an EP, problem solved.

Lun, 10/15/2012 - 13:24

#13

Skyguarder

I'm confused

Why would people set up there number in there mist tank when it will increase sooner? It's not fancy or anything...

Lun, 10/15/2012 - 18:46

#14

Oatmonster

Lick

As pointed out before, there is no practical reason for using CE over ME.

Mar, 10/16/2012 - 04:42

#15

Darkbrady

I disagree; budgeting is very

I disagree; budgeting is very practical to some people, as some folk simply can't budget properly without guidelines. It's like giving someone £100 and telling them to go into town and spend your allotted amount. Some people can save the right amount fine, but others won't be able to help themselves and would rather have the allotted "to save up" amount left at home or something.
When you're in the CW it's very easy to say "just one mroe rev, fine" or "just one more stratum, I have enough", becasue you have enough CE, but when you run out of ME you know "okay, right, I'm out. Time to call it".
That's very practical, just not for everybody.

The psychological reasons, not so practical, but they're involved for sure.

Mar, 10/16/2012 - 08:47

#16

Derpules

Self-control.

If not spending all your CE on ele fees or revs is really a challenge for some people, perhaps making that effort would be a good way for them to learn a bit of self-control. It is certainly cheaper than most RL ways I can think of.

I mean, at some point they're actually going to be entrusted with £100 or, god forbid, a credit card. They'd better be able to stop themselves from spending it all at once.

Mar, 10/16/2012 - 11:39

#17

Darkbrady

Oh hey, I'm not condoning the

Oh hey, I'm not condoning the lack of self-control, just being devils advocate here. Fact is, this particular issue would be helpful to numerous people. I wouldn't need it myself, but it'd be nice to set some gates for oneself. I mean, I don't spend my rent every month, but I do keep it off of my debit card just so there's absolutely no chance I can accidentally do it; I wouldn't mind a similar situation in game.

Then again, as I say, EPs solve that for me anyways so *shrug*~

Mar, 10/16/2012 - 11:39

#18

Darkbrady

Oh hey, I'm not condoning the

Then again, as I say, EPs solve that for me anyways so *shrug*~

Mar, 10/16/2012 - 12:13

#19

Oatmonster

Lick

In my opinion, the game shouldn't have to stop you from doing stupid things. I think that should fall on the player.

Mié, 10/17/2012 - 05:15

#20

Darkbrady

Then how do you explain the

Then how do you explain the Prompts window in the options menu?

Prompts are there for no other reason than to stop players from doing something stupid~

Mié, 10/17/2012 - 05:15

#21

Darkbrady

Then how do you explain the

Then how do you explain the Prompts window in the options menu?

Prompts are there for no other reason than to stop players from doing something stupid~

Mié, 10/17/2012 - 05:49

#22

Derpules

That's a fair point.

I wouldn't mind it being a prompt *if* it was a separate prompt option. I like prompts for most things--I have so many unbound duplicate items in my inventory, for instance--but I wouldn't want it on for BIN.

Mié, 10/17/2012 - 07:34

#23

Oatmonster

Lick

Those prompts tell the player about things they otherwise wouldn't know. They don't stop you from doing something obviously stupid. They don't, for instance, stop you from selling CE on themarket for 123 CR per hundred.

Mié, 10/17/2012 - 08:21

#24

Darkbrady

Point was just that it is up

Point was just that it is up to games to make sure the players don't screw up. This instance isn't an ideal of example of what they should be expected to protect against for sure, but just that it wouldn't be such a wild and unexpected thing to have in-game and certainly not unhelpful.

I'm neither here nor there on this, but wouldn't complain if there was a UV-esque option in craft windows that asked whether you'd like to use ME or not~

Mié, 10/17/2012 - 09:36

#25

Derpules

@Oatmonster

Oddly enough, the game kinda does do that. You get a confirmation pop-up if you're selling lower than the current highest buy offer.

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