So.. My current equipment is the wolver set nightblade and kilowatt
Yes I'm a swordman.. but not for long
I'm using these armor and weps except kilowatt until I farm enough JK to make my Gunslinger set
Now the most annoying thing about using a gun is that the monsters I always die from is all vulnerable to piercing
so I have looked at the wiki of the 5* guns and I got no idea what to choose
so which gun should I choose?
Data or really good reasoning plz
take blitz if you like to wipe out levels quickly.
take one the others if you like to fool around and waste time.
once you learn how to use blitz needle's charge attack, there is no substitute.
Don't forget Callahan is getting a buff. As a user of a Callahan with asi vh and ctr med (vh because it is level 10) and a user of blitz (i have it for FSC). Callahan is more fun, but less useful than blitz or plauge needle. Go for Blitz or Plauge as you will find them as better, more useful weapons, but if you have the cash to spare, get a callahan because it is fun and an upcomming buff might make it worth your while.
I have a toxic needle and it does absolutely nothing! Worst gun i've had.
You can miss with 4 out of 6 hits with a reg blitz attack and be on par with a hit from callahan.
~Luke
From my weapons thread- http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/61167
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Callahan VS Blitz needle VS Plague needle
Callahan has crappy damage, but the ability to knock down fiends and beasts. Blitz needle is pretty much the same way, except instead of crappy damage, it has the best damage of all time, but lacks much of the movement that callahan gets. Don't get me wrong, they both are sub optimal in terms of movement and vulnerability, but callahan less so. Callahan's charge attack is far worse than the blitzes, while blitz's charge is exactly the same as its normal hit, except longer and stronger. Callahan requires ASI, while blitz benefits from ASI and CTR, but mostly CTR. To fully unlock the power of the blitz needle, the user must use the charge. Click here for a summary of the blitz needle.
Plague needle is exactly like blitz, except that it causes poison and has bad damage. The poison caused is crappy, and the damage nerf is HUGE, and as such, the plague needle is not worth looking into unless you already own a blitz and plan to poison and then fight. The other place where plague is better than blitz is when there are healers and beasts in a crowd- shooting into a crowd repeatedly is a decent strategy, but even so, bringing venom veilor would be better than having it.
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I would honestly make a magma driver instead of a piercing gun for fighting fiends. For fighting beasts, you'd be better off bringing dark briar barrage with your guns... but then, beasts are easy. You can also fight them with sentenza fairly well, although that takes practice and isn't efficient any more.
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@Bella-Donna
Callahan has been "getting a buff" since 6 months ago. Wait until the patch that fixes it, because they could just remove it from the game like they did RSS.
Just gonna comment on the plague.
Against the Blitz Needle, its damage is low.
Yet it is probably the best team support pierce gun. Causing Poison, it weakens dealing damage from monsters, and if a monster is poisoned, you can register more damage to it. This includes your team mates can deal more damage to it. Most ppl dont like the Plague because they dont know how to use it properly. pffft. newbs.
Diddnt someone (Fradow sp?) once lay down the law about the raw vs psn damage once and come to the conclusion that it was pretty much not worth the effort unless under the most extreme of situations? I mean did the math and looked at the debuffs and everything. Besides the less pure gunslinger your setup is may have implications on one shotting stuff (no not just brojans) and thats what needles are all about.
Plague only has 'bad damage' when compared to the Blitz Needle.
Considering how ridiculously OP the Blitz is, and that Plague still has better output than most other weapons in the game, I would not say that it is a poor weapon. I have managed to OHKO Trojans with one charge, in a two-man party, in FSC, using a fully-heated 4* version of the gun. So you can stop talking smack about it already.
@OP: As a first piercing gun, I would probably go for the Blitz. Its damage output is insane, although it takes some getting used to. You should be using the charge only, since the normal attack is just a much weaker version of the charge.
Callahan is used by pure gunners, and was more popular when monsters were more 'dodgy', particularly wolvers (which have been nerfed considerably). It does well on single Devilites/Wolvers or small groups of these monsters, and performs reasonably against Gremlins, but its damage output is relatively low and it fires slowly as well, making it unsuitable for large groups of monsters.
Its charge is a suicide run that knocks you on your butt for a few seconds, which is long enough for an Overtimer to brain you with a pitchfork.
Plague is like Blitz, but with less pure damage and the poison status. It is generally considered to be less efficient, but if you're using it right it should pretty much OHKO most things you come across, short of bosses (on which the poison effect is actually useful). However, it takes a lot of Krogmo Coins to get all the recipes, so it can turn out quite expensive to craft.
@Canine-vladmir/Aureate
Would you rather:
A) Kill the monsters
B) Poison the monsters and damage them heavily
Because that is the only difference between the two. Why would you want to "support" your team mates when they'd be better off with you functioning to kill things?
So you can stop talking smack about it already.
Having an intelligent discussion and citing reliable sources.
EDIT- well maybe with the exception of that guy with no avatar DoAh!
Hows the poison best, is there more of a chance to apply on a charge as opposed to a regular hit, does that debuff even register before the first charge racks up, whats the level and chance of the debuff, do you run around using plague to poison stuff thats not weak to piercing, does a poisoned or dead devilite throw a chair better?
~Luke
Would you rather:
A) Kill the monsters
B) Poison the monsters and damage them heavily
One could say the same thing about the usage of VV. Poisoning is a better tactic in a group, because once they're poisoned then everyones damage is increased, whereas just raw damage on its own only helps you. In a single hit weapon maybe, but the autoguns have the benefit of a wide spread, allowing the shots to hit multiple enemies (and potentially poisoning multiple) at once.
I have never run into anything, other than a boss or pierce-resistant enemy, that did not die when being hit by a chargeful of my Blight Needle. This was in t3, in stratum 6, with another player there, and no damage bonus whatsoever. In most cases, the extra damage from Blitz is just overkill. 'Heavy damage' is normally enough to down most monsters in one charge, unless you're in a party of 3 or more, are using an underheated weapon or one that's unsuitable for the tier. Most monsters do not have over 1k in health, which is a little under the minimum damage that Plague will do on neutral enemies in stratum 6.
So yes, Plague is powerful. It's just that the fact is that Blitz is so ridiculously and obscenely overpowered that everything else seems bad in comparison.
Until May, a Blitz Needle couldn't one-shot-kill a trojan in FSC, in a party of four, without significant damage bonus. If I recall correctly, it now can. But can Plague Needle do this? This is a meaningful distinction, if it exists.
♫struck a nerve with the plague needle.♫
Nope, a plague cannot one shot kill a trojan. but that is just one situation of many.
the blitz charge is perfect for 1-on-1 confrontation. you verses one guy but compared against a mob, i go with my plague anyday of the week.
against a mob where there is no one shot kills, a plague on normal attack beats a blitz charges on mobs.
i kite around to the corners of room, using normal attack to weaken the mobs with poison and team mates inflicts more damage while they are getting less harmed. its a win-win.
and you can take that to the bank, and cash it in and get your self something nice.
I want the toxic it looks awesome and I NEVER solo, I always paly in a party (that doesn't stop me from using a kilo though)
But.. the recipe I need to start doing a lot of pvp, so Ill try my best to get it
Let's look at the facts first.
Blitz Needle:
+ Incredibly high DPS charge
+ Greatly valued for taking out Trojans and other high-hp monsters
-Charge requires some getting used to.
-Horrible normal attack.
Callahan:
+ Normal attack comes out fast, and has possibility of stun.
+ Easier to attack Devilites than with either of the needles.
-Atrocious Charge attack.
-Damage is low, so you're not killing as fast.
Toxic Needle:
+ Chance of poison! Yay!
-Does less overall damage than the Blitz Needle.
-PvP drop, so expect a lot of grinding.
If you're going hybrid, I suggest using the Blitz Needle, as you should have a pierce sword handy for those pesky buggers.
If you're going full gunner, then I suggest going with Callahan and then maybe onto Blitz if you're funded. Honestly, Callahan will aid you greatly in your quest of Fiend and Beast slaying.
Also, all of the pierce guns root you in place upon shooting, so be prepared for that.