Forums › English Language Forums › General › The Arsenal

Buscar

Gear theories

11 respuestas [Último envío]
Mié, 11/07/2012 - 13:49
Imagen de Thinslayer
Thinslayer

So, this post is intended to theorize the possible uses for useless gear.

Dragon Scale: consider that T3 Wolvers deal pure piercing (I think), and they are often accompanied by gun puppies, which deal pure elemental. Then there's the famous Rabid Wolvers, Rocket Puppies, and Red Rovers, which deal poison, fire, and fire, respectively. Might this justify usage of Dragon Scale in T3?

I've heard rumors that Omega Shell's health bar extends past the display by about 50%. Anyone confirm this? Could be great for general use, especially with a UV.

Radiant Silvermail: I don't know any sources of pure shadow, but it can't hurt against the undead, which this armor is good against. The pierce defense makes it useful against Wolvers and jellies (to a lesser extent), with the latter being a popular target of the Gran Faust, which can curse the user on charge; hence the curse resistance. Furthermore, jellies in the Unknown Passage can deal poison and pure pierce, which Radiant Silvermail defends against.

Divine: useful against fiends, naturally (veil only). But some sources of shadow, like slags in FSC or Frankenzoms in Ghosts in the Machine, are sometimes accompanied by elemental and/or fire damage, like shadow fire, elemental grates, or even constructs. And shock deals elemental, and Divine resists both. But why the curse resistance? Well, if you're in the habit of cursing Gremlins...

Ancient Plate: Lockdown, anyone? Also makes a great medic. Vitasuit + Scarlet Shield has similar uses.

EDIT: changed "normal" to "elemental" in reference to gun puppies.

Mié, 11/07/2012 - 14:38
#1
Imagen de Fradow
Fradow
Here is my take on it : -

Here is my take on it :

- Dragon Scale was something I never considered before, because no normal really hurts. But then I did Compound 42 a few times. It's hard. Enough for me to seriously consider doing it just for that. Otherwise, wolvers are not dangerous enough to consider doing a specific armor for them. And even then, I'm pretty sure every melee attack in T3 contains half normal (to confirm). A normal T3 isn't dangerous enough to justify a specific armor, so apart from that, you have SL Snarby, which have lots of normal and shadow, so Dragon Scale is out. Else you can use it with a normal+shadow part to get a generic armor, but there are better choice than Dragon Scale for that.

In short, Dragon Scale shines in Compound 42, and is overclassed for the rest.

- Omega Shell : not sure about that, but anyway what's important to me is status resistance. And on that point, it's heavily outclassed by VPS, which have both Fire and Stun resistance, making it an ideal shield for Vanaduke, and a good shield for fire levels and lumbers, while Omega Shell won't shine anywhere.

- Radiant Silvermail have one place where it shines, and it's SL Snarby. Otherwise, as Dragon Scale, it's ouclassed. SL Snarby is not hard enough to justify making it in my opinion. And once you finish it one time, you'll have access to Snarby Armor, which basically outclasses it for swordsmen.

- Divine is good in FSC, though the lack of normal, as for other armors, really should makes you reconsider The additional Shock resist over Vog/Volcanic Demo can be useful in some situations, especially that danger mission with shock that I don't remember the name. It's one of the best helm to do combine with a piercing + normal armor to make a generic set. I guess the curse can be seen as a bonus for GF users or SL Vanaduke (though Curse there is laughable if you are careful and have 4 slots).

- Ancient Plate is, in my opinion, just an old armor that should be reworked. Health Trinket makes it somewhat redundant for LD, it doesn't have specific damage resistance nor useful status resist, and to add insult to injury, it have NEGATIVE attack stats.

Mié, 11/07/2012 - 14:47
#2
Imagen de Bopp
Bopp
typo

I think you meant to say that gun puppy projectiles are mainly elemental, not normal.

Dragon Scale, Divine, and Radiant Silvermail can be used to make general-purpose armor sets, that protect against all four damage types. That's worth something.

In general, the developers have an incentive to get players crafting every object in the game. (Then the players have goals instead of getting bored, or even spend real money to speed up the process.) When Shadow Gloaming Wildwoods was released, it seemed almost made for Radiant Silvermail. The same goes for Compound 42 and Dragon Scale. Possibly the developers are enticing people to get these highly specialized armors. Divine is pretty good for Ghosts in the Machine.

There used to be weird weapons like this too: Argent Peacemaker, Sentenza, and Radiant Sun Shards were all split non-normal damage. But times have changed.

Mié, 11/07/2012 - 15:00
#3
Imagen de Little-Juances
Little-Juances

Overall, defense is overrated, more so with such specific sets. It's easier if you make your OP weapons more OP.

The only situations that still pose some threat are danger missiosn and shadow lairs. Everywhere else, your swiftstrike/skolver/shadowsun will be enough.

Mié, 11/07/2012 - 16:27
#4
Imagen de Darkbrady
Darkbrady
The only situations that

The only situations that still pose some threat

Isn't that what's being discussed, but?

Mié, 11/07/2012 - 16:27
#5
Imagen de Darkbrady
Darkbrady
The only situations that

The only situations that still pose some threat

Isn't that what's being discussed, but?

Mié, 11/07/2012 - 20:06
#6
Imagen de Snarfalarkus
Snarfalarkus
---

HoI is meant for skelly.

Jue, 11/08/2012 - 15:58
#7
Imagen de Thinslayer
Thinslayer
@Bopp:

Yes, I meant "elemental" in reference to gun puppies. Thanks for that catch.

I think more research needs to be done to prove whether some T3 enemies besides gun puppies deal pure damage, and if not, then in what proportions.

Jue, 11/08/2012 - 16:46
#8
Imagen de Bopp
Bopp
yes I know

Yes, I know that you feel that more research should be done. You started a thread all about it: http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/67555. I too would like to see such research. But I don't yet see how to run solid tests, and I have too many other projects myself anyway.

Jue, 11/08/2012 - 17:24
#9
Imagen de Flowchart
Flowchart
-

I use Dragon Scale for poison or fire beast clockworks levels.
I don't think it's worth getting just for that though. I don't use it for C42 anymore either, the Fallen set seems to work better for that.

Radiant Silvermail is kinda useful for the first level of Scared to Death (since it seems to be almost always poison themed) but really that's just another excuse to use it, not require it.

Jue, 11/08/2012 - 17:30
#10
Imagen de Darkbrady
Darkbrady
that's just another excuse to

that's just another excuse to use it, not require it.

Well said. That would be the bottom line of many of these niche sets.

Jue, 11/08/2012 - 20:44
#11
Imagen de Fehzor
Fehzor

@"Radiant silvermail is only useful on shadow lair snarbolax"

About that...

Aside from that, I have not conducted enough research to definitively tell you anything on the matters presented above.

Sitio elaborado con Drupal, un sistema de gestión de contenido de código abierto