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Mar, 11/13/2012 - 00:55
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Socrstar

let me tell u why ce is high ,crafting,keys,weapons...
my solution its crafting it must look like that :
★☆☆☆☆: 200 crowns and 10 energy
★★☆☆☆: 400 crowns and 50 energy
★★★☆☆: 8,000 crowns and 100 energy
★★★★☆: 12,000 crowns and 300 energy
★★★★★: 20,000 crowns and 600 energy

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 03:21
#1
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Dead-Bard
My solution is: buy CE with

My solution is: buy CE with IRL money and flood the market.

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 04:11
#2
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Severage
@OP:

This is a poor suggestion...

1: It's not enough to make a large impact on the CE system. It's pretty significant, but by and large, people will just spend their CE somewhere else. Don't get me wrong, it's not like it wouldn't make any difference, but not the best way to make one....explained in reason 2.

2: It is, however, enough to make people who have already crafted several sets of 5* gear ticked off. Those 200s add up if you're one of those 5* moguls. People will want their crafting costs to be retrospective and be refunded however many hundreds (Or likely thousands) of CE. This, of course, would be practically impossible for OOO to do. They'd need to analyze each individual player's inventories to see how much CE they've spent.

~Sev

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 04:16
#3
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Psychodestroyer

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Mar, 11/13/2012 - 04:18
#4
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Kazujaxyz
Well.

This game is short. Crafting costs make the game longer. In your try to reduce CE prices, you made the game easier and shorter. Not only could these price changes never make up for the crown imflantion, but you made players leave the game faster because this game has, in all honesty, not enough content to keep players if it wouldn't be for the energy system and the crafting requirements. Imagine this game a bit like an old NES-game: The length comes from the difficulty to achieve something.
In other words, you make the game shorter and achieve nothing positive with a cheaper craft-cost. Nice job breaking it.

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 04:38
#5
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Spaghetti-Knight
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@OP
I agree about cheaper crafting costs when it comes to CE, but I don't agree about the crown costs though.

@Dead-Bard
Yes, and who will be the people willing to give away money like that every time the price rises a little? No, that is not a good solution for a flaw.

@Severage
Even if it doesn't affect the economy, it would allow to make the grinding more bearable, that is, if OP is referring the crown price as the recipe cost.

Only self-"entitled" people would ever complain about such somewhat meager CE cost reduction. Specially when they crafted the stuff centuries ago before such patch could have happen. However, a small refund would be a good idea for those who crafted stuff not as long ago. It should only take a small code to let the devs know when the weapons have been crafted.

@Kazujaxyz
"this game has, in all honesty, not enough content"
This is the problem of the game being short, and more grinding is NOT a good solution.

"Imagine this game a bit like an old NES-game: The length comes from the difficulty to achieve something"
Except the difficulty from SNES games is actually difficult. Having to do the same thing 5 billion times is not the same as doing one really had thing.

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 04:47
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Severage
@Spaghetti:

Uh...

Are you implying Spiral Knights doesn't have many "self-entitled" people? I think you'd be way off with that assumption.

Like I said, it's not that it wouldn't effect the economy. It's that it wouldn't effect it enough to be worth the hassle.

For reasons already stated...

Self-entitled people as you call them, would want retrospective crafting,

Game gets shorter; and while you may not like the grinding involved, the game has such little content that's really the only thing keeping it alive (Aside from Lockdown). You say "more grinding is NOT a good solution", but grinding is the sole solution, because really, this game has like 2 week's worth of content if you could just play through it casually. Maybe less. In fact, I know plenty of people who only play the game TO grind for vanity items...so...yeah...

People just spend their CE on something else, making up for the costs lowered. I have no demographics to draw on, but I'd be willing to venture as to say that just as many people will sell their CE for crowns as those who keep the CE to use on something else. So, the impact will be, as stated before, not worth it.

As for your difficulty response, Spiral Knights is really a very easy game. It's because of that reputation that some of the SLs and Recon Ranger missions came out. They're really the only difficult things in the entire game, not much more than a couple days worth of challenging content once you get over the learning curb of how to play. These quickly turn into daily-grinds as well.

It's really the way Spiral Knights is set-up from start to finish. It's more about customizing your character and grinding for all the gear than achieving something insanely difficult...because really, soloing Vanaduke in Proto Armor doesn't give more crowns than soloing it normally, or doing it with 4 people even.

~Sev

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 05:14
#7
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Dead-Bard
@Spaghetti

Alright, second solution: Stop grinding crowns.

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 13:05
#8
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Spaghetti-Knight
hm...

Severage
Eh, maybe, but it's certainly stupid fora player not wanting cheaper crafting prices, seriously...

As I said, even if it didn't directly affected the economy, it would make grinding more bearable, and new players will thank for that. I'm not talking about being beneficial for the economy, but for the players instead.

And again, more content is always appreciated. Give us more stuff to do in the game! The coming-soon guildhall update is an example, but more and new stuff are always welcome... Unlike grinding, which while it makes the game "artificially" longer.

You seem to be saying that spending energy on other stuff is a bad thing.

I know, but what I meant is that grinding != difficulty.

Dead-Bard
That's like telling a dog to not bark...

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 13:32
#9
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Dead-Bard
@Spaghetti

Awesome, third solution then: Stop whining like a little b***h about it, if you're not willing to do anything yourself to prevent CE price from rising then you should at least have the decency to not whine about it in every single thread and pushing others around trying to get them to do something.

We're getting more CR sinks with the upcoming guildhall, we get constant featured auctions that take huge chunks of Crs away from the rich players, we have the biggest Cr sink system ever which is Punch and his lameass UVs, yet all you guys see is the CE price rising.

Face it pal, we have a constant stream of people, P2P and F2P farming Crs, and we got just a small part of the community which buys CE and trades them for Crs.
The solution to inflation is to farm less Cr and buy more CE, and that's that.

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 13:39
#10
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Darkbrady
Crafting used to cost less ce

Crafting used to cost less ce and more cr than it does now. People wanted it changed.

Now you want it changed back.

How fickle, we Humans are.

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 13:53
#11
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Kazujaxyz
@Spaghetti-Knight

Never said it's actually a good way to lengthen the game. However, this "padding" in the form of grinding is the only thing that technically keeps people from reaching the endgame in mere days. Major way=/=Good way. Grinding is also a huge problem of the game.
This game has weak legs, the grinding being its crutch. You want the game to develop strong legs, but that doesn't happen over night. You shouldn't take its crutch until it can already walk without help more or less.

This game is used to the crutch. Without it it would fall over. Trying to get rid of the crutch stays out of question. Mission were actually supposed to make the game more varied. Let's just say it didn't work out as planned.
In a way, grinding can be considered difficult, simply because you're often going to meet with more difficult stuff on your way and that it's difficult in the sense of an endurance round: It challenges your patience.

However, bringing the crafting costs to this level can't be considered a measure against grinding anymore. It's just pathetic. I'm currently Tier 2 and I already got most of my 4*-stuff together, which is currently more expensive than the 5*-price here. Grinding is not a stupid thing in MMOs. Not even in RPGs, either. There's a difference between grinding and being repetitive. If you wouldn't have to grind, you wouldn't need tiers., or levels in general. Simple as that. The catch lies in keeping the hours of grinding interesting, or at least incorporate the grinding on your normal path.

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 14:07
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Luguiru

Hi guys, how are you d-

What? No material cost increase? No one cares about eating up all the blubber materials we have lying around? Metaphor too gross? No one cares?

If you want to make an impact without necessarily taking it out of your own wallet by buying CE and pouring it into the market for lower prices or completely stop grinding crowns, get things like materials, cheap equipment crafted with only mist (think commonly sought 2* items), and sell them to other players for crowns. Make sure you are getting crowns out of other players. Take these crowns and buy yourself recipes for you, yourself, to use, or visit Punch for a picnic. You are now acting as a crown sink while getting yourself some UVs by getting rid of some junk.

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 15:08
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Spaghetti-Knight
Luguiru ...or blow the crowns

Luguiru
...or blow the crowns on fancy accessories amirite?

Don't worry about the excess of materials though, I'm sure OOO had that in mind when they were busy with the guild hall and hopefully will do something about it. Hopefully. Or maybe they didn't...

Dead-Bard
Stop blaming the players for everything. It's not their fault they want to progress the game and have to spend CE for that.

Punch is for those who want to blow all their crowns in hope to get top tier gear. Almost every single player NEEDS the energy so they can progress through the game.

You can't just ask them to stop farming, because that would be almost the same as telling them to stop progressing. Bark. Much least to tell them to buy CE...

Kazujaxyz
1st, grinding is NOT real difficulty. It doesn't challenge you on anything, and even if it challenged patience, there is no real penalty about having none.

2nd, and I say it again, lack of content is NOT, under any circumstances, to be compensated with ridiculous amounts of grinding.

and 3rd, Grinding IMPLIES being repetitive. It says that on the dictionary. So it can't possibly be entertaining in any kind of way. Unless someone is autistic.

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 15:11
#14
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Darkbrady
I'm a fantastic cr sink.

I'm a fantastic cr sink. Honestly, I lose money faster than I make it, and I couldn't even tell you what I spend it on. No fancy accessories or UVs for me, oh no, the money just vanishes.

I'm like a couch...it's probably floating around somewhere nearby me, sunk into the game, but just out of sight and reach.

Oh well, time to go spend the rest of my money in LD~

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 22:38
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Severage
@Spaghetti:

Spending CE elswhere - no, I'm not saying it's a bad thing, just that it's not like people will turn every last bit of CE they save into crowns just because of an update like this. Meaning, the economy will be less-affected.

Lack of content IS, in this circumstance, compensated with grinding. That's what I'm saying. I'm not saying OOO will never have any new content so they should make everything more grind-based. I'm saying, at the moment, grinding is the "artificial length" to the game. Without much grinding, this game would be dead except for PvP.

I agree that new content is welcome, and may justify such a change in the grinding in the future, but at the moment, it does not.

~Sev

Mar, 11/13/2012 - 23:50
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Dead-Bard
@Spaghetti

Stop blaming the players for everything. It's not their fault they want to progress the game and have to spend CE for that.
That's not their fault, but that's also the main way of making money for OOO, this is not a charity, keep this in mind.
Regardless of what you seem to think, the CE market IS ran by players and OOO IS doing something to keep the CE price from skyrocketing even more, but you guys prefer to turn the blind eye on it and keep whining about it every day anyway.

Punch is for those who want to blow all their crowns in hope to get top tier gear. Almost every single player NEEDS the energy so they can progress through the game.
Yes, and every single player has a chance of getting said energy fairly quickly, less quick for 3* going to 4* but pretty decent still (and with a nice guild you can get a vana run every once in a while to help you out), even with the current CE price, and if you really can't stand waiting or grinding, you can buy some CE yourself to help you out.
And once you reach 5* and you're able to do Vana you're pretty much set to go, I literally made a Calibur into a Cold Iron Vanquisher in two days, starting with just 100mist and about 30-40CE, without an ele pass, no recipes except for the Tempered Calibur.

You can't just ask them to stop farming, because that would be almost the same as telling them to stop progressing. Bark. Much least to tell them to buy CE...
True, I can't ask them to stop farming, afterall that's how you play this game, but why can't I tell them to buy CE? Why can't I ask to a guy who spent, idk, 100 hours? on a game to show their support for said game by spending some money on it? Seriously you can't give up to an Icecream one day and spend those 3$ on a game which you played until your eyes fell out? Well, I hardly think so.

Sorry if I was rude last night, bad days and rum don't get along well.

Mié, 11/14/2012 - 00:14
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Thunderbog
@Luguiru

Have my babies.

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