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Shard bombs for LD - Bomb Set advice

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Dom, 12/16/2012 - 12:01
Bzzts

OK, I'm currently working on a LD bomb set using my feather cowl a and volcanic demo suit, with shock UVs for LD.

Currently, I only have a tempest and was thinking about the status shard bombs for my set.

My weapons would be:
Tempest,
static flash( is this a viable quick shock bomb?)
And The shocking salt bomb line.

I was wondering, if this is for LD salons, is it worth upgrading the salt bomb at all?

This considering I will need to make stagger storm and electron line?

Dom, 12/16/2012 - 15:00
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Zeddy

The shocking salt bomb can work in Lockdown, but not without someone assisting you.

I haven't had terribly much luck with it, myself.

Lun, 12/17/2012 - 06:03
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Irokwe
Zeddy have faith in dem shards D:

I use ISB in LD, it's wonderful.
I use this though:

Vog Cap
Volc. Demo Suit

Recon Shield

Plasma Cap. (Still gotta upgrade to VT)
ISB
Some OP Sword, usually GF or Grand Flourish (It's not an FF yet)

Some Trinket, I use Dual Heart atm

With this set, I have Max Bomb CTR. My OP sword also has ASI Low. Plus I can turn invisible. Basically, I drop some shock hazes on the CPs, then start spamming ISB. Or I run to a fight on a CP and just drop some shock hazes till things get cooled down a bit. The sword is just for backup, like when I'm cornered, or when I need to kill someone directly. Hope this helped!

Oh yeah, video here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efVZHRPMKEY

It was from a bit earlier, when I only had heavy demo. Same thing basically. One more thing: Use hazes for guardians, shards aren't good for that.

Lun, 12/17/2012 - 06:05
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Irokwe
Lol forgot to answer that one question.

Whoops, for your question about upgrading, ISB is the first bomb in the line to gain shock. Upgrading it to 5* doesn't make that big of a difference. Also maybe try the new RSS for stun and pierce, instead of shock and shadow. Or use both.

Stagger isn't as OP as you would think in LD. Good for groups, and for the initial scare, but thats about it. Still wouldn't get near it.
You can also choose which vortex if you want, I haven't tried them, but I hear they do OHKOs?

Good luck, hope we can be on the same team sometime :D

Lun, 12/17/2012 - 07:38
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Zeddy

The only times that video is showing salt bomb doing anything at all is when you have backup.

You're not contradicting me at all.

Lun, 12/17/2012 - 13:31
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Irokwe
Well.

It's not there to own people up with epic high overpowered damage like GF/DA/FF/Hammer, it's more there to keep people away until help comes, and to annoy them (shock/stun). It also deals a bit of damage, just usually not enough to kill somebody (I think I killed around 2 people with it, trust me, I was suprised, too). More of a support bomb. So, no, I wasn't contradicting you, but I wasn't saying you were right either (if that makes any sense).

Lun, 12/17/2012 - 14:41
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Zeddy

It doesn't keep people away, though. If you're on your own using it, people can easily walk right over and gank you.

They can work, but only with assistance.

Mar, 12/18/2012 - 13:27
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Forum-Brady
Shard bombs simply can't be

Shard bombs simply can't be treated as DPS in any respect whatsoever in LD. We've done countless tests and experiments with it and it just amounts to nothing; especially against Guards. We've had four people sharding a single guard and we never even broke the shield, the damage output is that low.

Not to say they're useless, just to agree with Zeddy/comment taht you're pretty much wrong. They rarely even make people back off. Even using SSB, folk will typically just run over it and go for you. If you want to area deny and/or keep people at bay until help arrives, any single haze will do the job better than shards. It doesn't discourage people from running on them, and does very little to punish them when they do.

Shards in LD should be used as utility; spam them when your target is distracted and fighting someone else, or spread them across CPs. Drop them under guard shields to help protect him. Although generally one person using shards will result in overall far less effectiveness than just spammin' a VT. If you want to use shards in LD and be even remotely competitive, you pretty much need either backup from someone else, or to have another sharder doing it along with you (and even then, don't treat it as DPS as much as damagcarpetting). Shards+hazes work nicely though, if you use different statuses, to mix them up. SSS also works nicely, as the stun is moderate so slows people more than stagger, although the damage will be even lower since a lot of people have piercing defence; SSB is generally the better option. Stack that with stagger and you're laughin'.

Mar, 12/18/2012 - 15:16
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Irokwe
:/

I don't think you guys understand what I am saying. I agreed it is rather horrible for DPS, it's just for the initial scare. Many people are just scared of the shards, thinking they are uber OP and stuff, and will instantly wreck them. People who dash in are usually easy to dodge, and they will take a bit of damage (rather redundant though), and in my case, they will usually be shocked. That's when I go invisible and use actual DPS swords on them in the shock spasms. It is usually better to spam hazes, yes, but shards will gain you more respect, and are more fun :D

The main problem with shards is, they are rather dependent on your opponents. If you are fighting a bunch of people spamming alch charges/polaris, well, bombing isn't a good idea then in general. If you are fighting a bunch of reckless "clones", hazes would help more. But otherwise they are almost up to par, and deal a tad bit of damage as well, to soften them up for when help arrives.

I'd like to stress once again, these are NOT for DPS, and don't always help for keeping people of CPs, but they are generally more fun. Also, since I fail so horribly at LD, it really doesn't matter what I take, so it's more for trolling and delaying enemies.

Mié, 12/19/2012 - 06:37
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Forum-Brady
. If you are fighting a bunch

. If you are fighting a bunch of people spamming alch charges/polaris, well, bombing isn't a good idea then in general. If you are fighting a bunch of reckless "clones"

....when are you fighting anyone else?

Honestly, I don't know who you play, which server or which times you play, but I wanna join in. People in your matches are actually scared of shards? Even for a few seconds? In my matches, people treat me sharding as if I was AFK.

so it's more for trolling and delaying enemies.

Again, you must be playin' on a pretty unique server, as shards can't really be used for either to any effect even comparable to hazes, unless there's two-three of you doing it. Even as a bomber, I completely ignore other sharders because they're essentially zero-threat and it only takes me a few seconds to completely push them out of wherever they were.

However, I should make it clear that I agree with you about them being blindingly fun (pun?) despite their glaring flaws (pun again?!) in practical application. Whenever I wanna chill or screw around, I'll whip out the shards and have a laugh with them. But whenever I'm actually interested in winning, shards simply don't make it to my loadout; hazes just do the job better. In fact, on average, I can get higher damage with pure hazing and zero bomb damage than I can with max bomb damage and sharadspam. Even getting 8k with shards is a tremendous effort; getting 3~4k with hazes just comes naturally most of the time.

Mié, 12/19/2012 - 23:13
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Tj-Frozen-Shades
Well i think.....

I think if u want to use shard type bombs, you should use it when one of your tem and enemy team (or more) is doing sword fighting.Since it does double explosions, you dont need to put it too much, but if you repeat the shard bomb,it will be like huge radius with high delay.I did this in LD and they get confused and.........the enemy dies :D even if my team is the one who died, i quickly change to my sword and strikes while my last bomb second explosion is doing it job :) but i know nothing about voltaic tempest, but its a nice bomb, other bombers can't put theirs if they get shocked, AND vaporizers statuses are ABSOLUTE :P

Jue, 12/20/2012 - 11:56
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Irokwe
@Vince

That's basically what I do. Except I spam it continuously. The confusion part is what I was getting at. Also, VT is basically Ash of Agni or Shiver, just with shock. Also, if bombers have high enough CTR, they can still drop bombs.

@Brady I'm on the EU server, but I think you are as well? Idk, towards the end of the week more noobs have time to play SK, then it gets more fun :D

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