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Bombing suggestions?

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Dom, 02/24/2013 - 13:50
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Zyhro

So I've now decided to start on a bombing set since I have both a great swording 'arsenal' and a fairly good gunning arsenal.

First, im deciding on which demo set/combination I will get.(Mad Bomber is out of the question) So, I'm leaning on getting mercurial or volcanic. I am open to suggestions and/or combinations of two sets.

On to the bombs.
I have already gotten Voltaic Tempest, and DR, and I'm for sure planning on getting Shivver and maybe DBB but I'm not sure if I want to get one of the blast bomb series'(like Nitro, BAB, irontech), and if anyone can at least convince me to consider getting a shard bomb...
I don't think I would want to get a vortex bomb, but if any of the 'Elite Bombers' really think I should.

Only going to use three weapon slots, if this is any help.

And no, I have no worry for shields, I already have each of the damage types.

I WILL NOT EVER PLAN TO GET UV's ON ANY OF MY GEAR. UNLESS IT IS A CRAFTING UV,(or I somehow get a UV ticket without me buying it) so don't go and say; " oh u culd get a angry bawmb, it really gud, but you ned 2 by a ctr max 1". That was probably an exaggeration...

Dom, 02/24/2013 - 14:40
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Bopp
solo or party?

Do you play mainly solo, in random parties, or in good parties? The answer somewhat affects your choices. For example, vortex bombs are very fun, and they're highly effective in a party, if your party knows how to use them. Nitronome is a neutral DBB, damage-wise, but DBB has no knockback and Nitronome has huge knockback, which obviously affects your party.

In the Mercurial vs. Volcanic debate, I'd tend toward Volcanic for the sake of offense. But some bombers (who are more serious than me) really like having MSI when bombing, so they might favor Mercurial or a mix. By the way, a lot of bombers will also recommend Mad Bomber. Well, they did, until it was obsoleted by Chaos.

Dom, 02/24/2013 - 20:14
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Zeddy

While full Mad Bomber is pretty suicidal good old Mad+Volcanic will leave you with some positive fire resistance, Max CTR and Medium damage. These days it's Mad+Chaos since Chaos is better than Mad in anything but Curse resistance. It's up to you whether you want to craft Chaos since it's better now, or Mad, awaiting the buff that's coming along with Iron Slug getting buffed, stun being completely fixed, Tortodrones returning, and Lockdown getting balanced.

Have you tried consistently bombing without CTR gear? Some find it painful and downright unusable, but if you're okay with it I say go for Mercurial. Your overall damage over time would be less, but it's a very dodgy, safe armour. Mercurial is also the best armour you can get for bombing in Lockdown, as the CTR bonus on other armours wouldn't be wasted there. If you're going to use haze/vortex a lot, on the other hand, definitely go for Volcanic.

Is there a particular reason you don't want a vortex? Not only does it clump together enemies for your party to easily dispatch of, but combined with your Voltaic Tempest you can rack up a ton of elemental damage on the cluster of enemies between the small blast and the spreading shock damage.

For you, I would not recommend shard bombs. Shard bombs need at least Very High damage bonus to become effective, and if you aren't going for UVs, aren't using trinket slots, and don't think you'd go for Mad or Bombtastic, then they'll simply leave you wanting. You could get Scintillating Sun Shards to take advantage of the fiend bonus, but DBB is just generally better and you should start there. You already have DR, and you don't really need a better bomb against slimes than that. The only remaining bomb is Deadly Crystal Bomb, and the damage is simply underwhelming without enough bonuses. Here are options:

-Elemental targets are constructs and undead. You could use DR on constructs and DBB on undead.
-Electron Vortex/Voltaic Tempest/Ash of Agni. Mix and match as preferred.

Lun, 02/25/2013 - 08:25
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Zyhro
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I usually run with a party, but in t1 or t2 I may solo if there are no parties to be found.
So should I still get Nitro/BAB/Irontech?
The reason i don't really want a vortex right now(I may get one later on) is from the grinding LD, and I want a 'all round' bombing set; pierce, elemental, shadow, and hopefully a normal one(hence the Blast bomb line questions) and since i already have a VT, along with a soon to come shivver elemental bombs i don't really see a need for a vortex, and to me, it is only a utility bomb for constructs and undead.

And I think ill probably go with mercurial if i can find the time and the CE amount to do a SL but if i can't(price required, and the time it takes to actually get there from emberlight) I will go with volcanic or a mix of volcanic and mad bomber.

Lun, 02/25/2013 - 09:26
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don't plan bombs around damage type

When choosing a sword or handgun, damage type is the primary consideration. However, when choosing a bomb, damage type is not the primary consideration, for two reasons.

* First, bomb blasts often hit multiple kinds of monsters (e.g. a couple of gremlin menders in a crowd of constructs), making it harder to tune the damage type for the target.

* Second, and more importantly, bombs have highly idiosyncratic effects --- knockback, spreading status, creating a vortex, etc. --- and you often chain these effects together, as in Zeddy's example of shocking a vortex.

So plan around the effects you want, not the damage type you want. This is why any bomber will tell you to get a vortex; it's a totally different effect to add to your toolbox.

Lun, 02/25/2013 - 12:54
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Zyhro
Okay, great

Okay, I will plan to get a vortex sometime, but for right now, I've chosen shiver, and DBB for sure. But I really want an all round damage dealing bomb, so i don't have to run around a bunch of monsters waiting for effects to work. I need to know any thoughts you have on the blast bomb series. Im leaning towards nitronome, if you think any other blast bomb would be more useful(ie. deconstructor, irontech, BAB) make a suggestion, or if you find the blast series to be useless, offer a different bomb.

Lun, 02/25/2013 - 10:22
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Zeddy

You're putting too much stock in Vortex' damage. While adequately damaging, you could use a Graviton Vortex on undead just fine for pretty much the same killspeed.

If you want a normal damage bomb, go ahead and get a blast bomb. Nitro is easy, Irontech is harder to use but somewhat stronger, BAB is the weakest, timewise, but has a ridiculous amount of knockback.

Lun, 02/25/2013 - 11:43
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Bombing Guide

So you want a blast bomb. Sure. Listen to Zeddy, and read the Bombing Guide on the wiki. It's got detailed comparisons of your three options.

Lun, 02/25/2013 - 12:57
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Zyhro
Sure

Okay, I'll go with nitro, shiver, DBB and vortex later, and ill try and get mercurial if i have the resources at the time, but if not, ill get volcanic.

Thanks for your guys' thoughts
If you have any extra suggestions, feel free to post them.

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