Spiral Knights - Need help with Royal Jelly

Need help with Royal Jelly

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Lun, 07/15/2013 - 13:49

Battlegrinder

My sister and I have been playing SK together for the past few weeks, and today we finally reached the last 5-2 mission, the royal jelly. It was a disaster, we couldn't get past the second floor of the mission. We're working on upgrading our gear for another run later (sis is getting fused demo and 3 star dark matter and poison bombs, I'm think of getting swiftstrike and dusker/gunslinger instead of 3* cobalt). Does anyone have any other advice or suggestions?

Some specific questions:
I recall hearing somewhere that poisoning the RJ will stop it from absorbing it's minions and healing, is that true?
Is bringing a pepperbox along a good idea?
Would a mixed dusker and gunslinger armor set be workable (and if not, would a swiftstrike buckler make it workable?)

Lun, 07/15/2013 - 14:11

Bopp

you're talking about armor

Have you read the wiki page "Damage", to learn the damage types that monsters inflict, and the damage types to which monsters are vulnerable? This is one of the key rules of Spiral Knights.

Yes, Dusker is good armor for this situation, because it protects against normal and piercing damage, which is what slimes inflict. So is the shield that you get from the Snarbolax boss.

You seem to be thinking more about armor than weapons. But you should be thinking more about weapons than armor. What weapons have you been using? Pepperbox, poison bomb, and shadow bombs aren't a bad idea. (Yes, I think you're right that poison prevents the Royal Jelly from healing. My information on the particulars of RJ is out of date.) But you should also be able to kill everything in the Royal Jelly Palace by just charging Nightblade or even Tempered Calibur.

My best advice for the boss fight is: Try to make sure that each knight has three pills and nine good offensive vials --- especially curse, poison, shock, and fire. These can really wear down RJ.

Lun, 07/15/2013 - 14:47

Kamishinlnoyari

@OP

Yes, Poisoned enemies cannot heal, their attacks are weakened and have reduced defence (take more damage). I'm not sure but I think poisoned monsters TAKE damage from healers like Silkwings. It's something like: The monster is damaged and poisoned, the healer tries to heal the wounded enemy but it actually takes damage.
Pepperbox is a very good choice. It has deadly charge, knocks back enemies and inflicts fire, which will be very useful for both the boss fight and the levels before it.
About your gear: Dusker and Gunslinger are nice if you use sword and gun. Swiftstrike is nice too because it gives unique awesome bonus but you have to dodge most of the attacks because of its weak defense. Although you have to make another shield and upgrade it to pass the next Hall of Heroes since Swifty's alchemy line ends at 3 star...

Craft or buy Swiftstrike (just to mention, the bonus it gives doesn't affect bombs) and another shield (I suggest 3* Defender because its cheap and its
5 star upgrade- Heater shield is nice) because you will have to upgrade that Defender to proceed in the game.

Lun, 07/15/2013 - 14:44

Battlegrinder

@Bopp

I've read the wiki page on damage (and probably every other page to). I forgot to mention my weapon set, I was using tempered caliber, nightblade, shadowtech mk 2, and super blaster, and my sister had caliber, dark matter bomb, and toxic vaporizer. We wasn't having a hard time killing any one monster, but there were just so many of them that we kept getting swarmed (which is why I asked about the pepperbox, hopefully it will help wear down the whole group instead if just a few monsters). I already have the shield you get from snarlbox, buffeted I haven't managed to upgrade it beyond its starting form yet, and that version seems a little weak for tier 2. I went through "Rise or Fall" without much effort, so maybe I just had an off day.

I think one part of my problem is that most of my gear is only level 2-3, so I'm not dealing as much damage as I could be and none of the weapon CTRs have kicked in yet.

Lun, 07/15/2013 - 14:59

Sweet-Hope

im on right now i can help you with the royal jelly since im farming RJP for primal sparks (if someone else know a better place to farm them i would appreciate it)

Anyway if you get on right now i can help you

Lun, 07/15/2013 - 15:02

Battlegrinder

@Sweet

Sorry, I'm at work right now, and I'm out of mist as well. Besides, my sister and I both need to do some gear upgrading before we're ready to go back to RJP.

Lun, 07/15/2013 - 15:09

Battlegrinder

@Kami

Ok, thanks for the advice. I think I'll give RJP another shot tomorrow (maybe bring some more friends along) and with any luck I'll earn enough to upgrade my gear. Or do you think it might be wiser to farm "rise or fall" a few more times instead?

Lun, 07/15/2013 - 15:51

Bopp

concrete recommendations

Battlegrinder, here is my concrete recommendation for you. Charge Nightblade against slimes. Charge Tempered Calibur against lumbers, gun puppies, and silkwings. Against RJ himself, use vials and charge either Nightblade or TC. (Try them both, and see what you like.) You don't need any other weapons. Of course, this will be a bit easier once you reach heat level 10, which will be soon. Do get Dusker Cap, Dusker Coat, and the 3-star version of the Snarbolax shield. These are all good items that have very good upgrades. So they're a great investment.

My recommendation would be the same for your sister, but she seems to like bombing? Then Fused Demo, shadow bomb, and poison bomb are good ideas. I hope that she can "pull her weight" as a bomber; bombing is hard for non-expert players. You might find Royal Jelly Palace easier if she carried either Tempered Calibur or Nightblade.

By the way, if you're having lots of trouble with the boss fight, then remember that you can leave the mission after the first two levels, and still earn tons of crowns, heat, materials, etc.

Lun, 07/15/2013 - 17:19

Battlegrinder

@Bopp

I'll keep that in mind. I'll look into getting dusker, but I'm also going to see about a hybrid loadout at the same time (With the new BS perks, I think a hybrid setup might be more viable than it is in the current game). I'm think of waiting a little while to get the upgrades for snarlbox shield, I might wait until after I've gotten the token items from RJ and the twins first, then grab all the recipes I need in one run (swiftstrike should be workable until then) I've seen videos of the boss fight on YouTube and I'm pretty sure we can handle it, the challenging part will be getting through through the monsters in the first two levels. My sister is working on upgrading her caliber, and getting the recipes for the new bombs as well.

Lun, 07/15/2013 - 17:26

Tantrum-Twix

contact me in game., and ill help you defeat it :)

im a 45k prestige vanguard, ill help you defeat it :D
soloing any boss ^^ i can give you some advice too during the run ., so yeah

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Lun, 07/15/2013 - 19:09

#10

Voza-Il

@OP Curse, fire, and poison

@OP

Curse, fire, and poison (even shock) are useful statuses against JK. Shadow weqpons are good, but need constant hitting or else the jelly will heal. I recommend bombing as the easiest method, followed by swords, then guns.

2* weapons for jk:
firotech alchemer
shadowtech alchemer
dark shard bomb

3* weapons:
fireburst brandish
nightblade
firotech mk II
shadowtech mk II

I don't recommend pepperbox. It depends too much on the situation, and in jelly, it will leave you wide open to attacks. Firotech will serve you much better, believe me.

For starters, I recommend one of you takes a firotech, and the other a shadowtech. What's important is the fire status; poison vials will definitely help. Good luck! In case you want my help, my IGN is Voza. But I think you'll be fine!

Lun, 07/15/2013 - 20:14

#11

Soulstaker

You will be fine as long as

You will be fine as long as each person has 3 pills and 3 poison vials. Then get other vials too. One curse vial or two for the entire party should be enough but should be given to the right person. I remember when I was 2* a player got one and wasted it on a lumber. Boss was much harder without curse.

I would be glad to do a JK run or give advice to you in game.
IGN:Soulstaker

Lun, 07/15/2013 - 20:26

#12

Leekcoco

For the first two floors,

For the first two floors, some practice and shadow/elemental weapons will help you get through them.

The boss fight, there are many tricks and strategies to make it a lot easier. Vials will help a lot, keep RJ poisoned and on fire to wear him down while attacking with your shadow weapons in between. When he is worn down to the final phase (no crown) just avoid damage by following him while he spins (clears the path) and use a curse vial when he stops (RJ is immune while spinning). :)

Lun, 07/15/2013 - 22:06

#13

Hexzyle

Pepperbox CAN deal a lot of damage to both turrets and Royal Jelly, but yes, it does require skill and timing to use. If your sister covers you by taking care of minis (the shard bombs are great for this due to how long they stick around so they essentially form a "shield") you shouldn't have a problem releasing charges onto the RJ.

If you find yourself getting swarmed a lot, and Swiftstrike isn't working out for you, try another shield. Either upgrade your defender (someone said Heater shield is a great final upgrade, and it is) or try something like a Plate Shield (it's a little pricey but it's definitely well worth it in tier 2, and in tier 3 it is also very useful)

Mar, 07/16/2013 - 00:20

#14

Kamishinlnoyari

@#6

Try doing RJP in party but if there are no parties or friends and you need crowns, farm Snarbolax (mission 3-2 Shadow of the Beast). Boss missions are the main source of crowns. Snarby is easy and it's on T1. You get 2100-2200 cr from RJP but Snarby is around 1800-1900 cr and it's a lot easier.

Mar, 07/16/2013 - 10:14

#15

Levenzaa

Still need help?

If you still need help I'm able to help. :)

IGN - The-Mighty-Potato

Mar, 07/16/2013 - 11:44

#16

Asukalan

Why the hell is this in

Why the hell is this in general discussion instead of New Recruits, a place to ask questions about game.

Mar, 07/16/2013 - 13:05

#17

Battlegrinder

2nd Attempt

We made another go at it today, and did much better. Had to quit early and go to work before we took down the boss, but I think we would've been able to.had we had the time. We also got an item drop.....which was unfortunatly a cautery sword. Thanks for your advice and offers of help, we would have had s much tougher time without you.

@Asukalan: A) because unless you count new players as being anyone below vanguard, neither my sister or I are new players. B) If new recruits is where we should discuss spiral knights, what is this forum for?

Mié, 07/17/2013 - 06:14

#18

Doctorspacebar

Pistol is best weapon in TF2

Generally, you do want to put questions in New Recruits, but the name is kind of a misnomer, so it's understandable why you'd put this in General Discussion. Questions about weapons also fit in The Arsenal.

Anyway, the Royal Jelly. Congratulations on your improvement! I'd recommend you sell that Cautery Sword to a vendor if you haven't already; an extra 3500 crowns is a good thing.

The Dark Matter Bomb should work for your Jelly- and Gremlin-killing needs. Alternatively, the poison bomb will keep the big guy from healing. Check out Zeddy's threads if you want to find further strategy on the new "Shard Bombs"; they're relatively new and tricky to use, but for the most part, they work."

Jue, 07/18/2013 - 17:27

#19

Battlegrinder

Ok, still need help

We finally got to the boss, and managed to pound him down to the phase where he loses his crown...and them my sister lagged out and we got TPK'd, after running out of energy for revives early in the fight. We're going to stick to doing the first two floors (or even doing earlier levels like "rise or fall" until we get enough 3* gear up to level 10 to make another go at the RJ.

On the plus side, we saw an Imposter Cube on the way to the fight. So the battle wasn't a total loss.

Jue, 07/18/2013 - 17:05

#20

Leekcoco

What are you having trouble with the most during the run? The number of monsters, or just not having enough HP and defense? Feel free to contact me if you want help or advice in game. :)

Jue, 07/18/2013 - 17:15

#21

Battlegrinder

@Leekcoco

The main issue seems to be that my sister (who's job was supposed to be using poison on the boss) lagged out and died several times, which left me to try and kill the RJ with just a handful of flasks and my lvl 4 nightblade. We also ran low on energy during the last 2 floors, due to both weak equipment (still haven't gotten any of our gear over lvl 5) and some lag issues. I got really close to finishing off the RJ, but he went into a rage state and killed the both of us. So I'm planning to farm "rise or fall" or the first two floors of RJP until we both have better gear (she needs to upgrade one of her bombs and her caliber, while I need to switch over from cobalt armor to dusker/gunslinger armor and get a swiftstrike). Once we do that I think we'll be in much better shape.

Jue, 07/18/2013 - 18:03

#22

Leekcoco

With 3* equipment, the run shouldn't be too much trouble. If you're lagging, then avoiding damage would be harder, so I think it's just more practice needed and getting to remembering the spawns patterns while adapting to your lag issues. I suggest that you focus on just your main weapon to upgrade instead of spreading your money too thin. The mission will be a breeze once you have at least one 4* weapon that works well on Jellies.

Some things that you could try are:

- Shielding less, and dodging more. Shield makes you walk slow and it's not a dependable defense, it's much better to just think ahead and avoid getting mobbed.
- Priority kills; healers>turrets>whatever else is the most dangerous>the remainder.
- If you're not doing things like shield cancelling, or switch attacking, it's worth learning.

I think shifting your focus off the gear, and rather practicing general combat skills is much more valuable. Those skills will help you in future levels, not only this one. :)

Jue, 07/18/2013 - 18:21

#23

Battlegrinder

@Leekcoco

Ok, thanks for the advice. My combat skills are pretty solid as is, the issue I'm having is that I'm just not putting out enough damage (cobalt armor not being very useful when it comes to giving out bonuses, and my gear is all below level 4 so no CTR bonuses have kicked in yet). I'm pretty good with dodging vs shielding and priority targeting. I'm working on the advanced combat techniques, but its going a little slow.

Jue, 07/18/2013 - 18:30

#24

Godzy

Need help just msg IGN: Godzy

Need help just msg

IGN: Godzy

Jue, 07/18/2013 - 18:32

#25

Leekcoco

Ah, that's good then. :) Do try upgrading just one weapon to 4* first when you get to that stage, rather than taking everything to 3* (if that's what you're doing? Sorry if I'm wrong). If you find either swords or guns more suitable for your style, go with either the Wolver line or Gunslinger line for both pieces. Going half-half is a bit pointless, though that's just my opinion. It doesn't give you a substantial amount of bonuses for either weapon types, so you're better off just focusing on one.

Jue, 07/18/2013 - 19:11

#26

Rezzler

So many people leaving their

So many people leaving their IGN's to help...pretty awesome!

But I think the OP wants to feel like they were the ones who actually beat RJP, so they don't want to accept help from you nice people. :)

Knowing me, im prbly wrong, but IDGAF

GL battlegrinder!

Vie, 07/19/2013 - 03:07

#27

Hearthstone

I'd be able to help, just friend/message me.

And, advice:

Like Bopp said, it's best you use Nightblade on Jellies, then using the Tempered Calibur on the others. My preference, is making them scatter with the Calibur, then hitting slimes with the Nightblade for the finishing blow.

Though, my preference works best when you're not lagging,

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