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"missing" weapon lines (includes 5* spur/deconstructor)

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Mon, 08/05/2013 - 00:57
Blitzsonic's picture
Blitzsonic

I noticed that some weapons don't have a 4* and 5* version, for example the antigua or the sealed sword

Antigua (we need more piercing guns)

Sealed Sword(the 5* could have all status effects and the aura should change to the next effect that will happen on the next charge, only normal damage)

Deconstructor(Add Elemental Damage so that it gets useful)

Spur(5* version is missing...)

Brandish(a normal brandish wich deals normal damage, the color of the explosions should change every time and use the player eye colors)

Troika(there was a 3rd troika, so why not create a complete line with a fire and a shock troika ?)

Magnus(i know that Callahan works like the Magnus, but i think it would be better to have a weapon that looks like the Magnus and change the Callahan to a elemental gun wich can inflict shock(the color looks like a shock themed weapon)

4* and 5* breaker lines( i know that 1-5* breaks the uv market and everything... but i got a idea to fix it. 1.) the 1* version is not needed to craft the 2* one. or 2.) each version doesn't need the other set(5* would be crafted without the 4* set).

Add a bomb line that works like the firecracker bomb that starts at 3*(i know, you think it would break the "mist" bombs, but i think that they could have the cloud that does the status for a longer time.

Cautery Sword upgrade ?(i know the sword was made to help players to defeat the Royal Jelly, but wouldn't it be good if this "player trap" was changed into something useful ?)

I'll be adding more, please don't just post -1 or +1, tell me your opinion about every of the suggestions.

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 01:30
#1
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

I'm going to start off by saying "One idea per thread". By doing so, you allow yourself to focus on fine tuning a single idea until it's good. If you suggest multiple ideas, the bad ones clog up the space for the good ones. Additionally, you leave your ideas open to be shot down not once, but multiple times by each person for each idea you have on your thread that happens to not be that great.

I noticed that some weapons don't have a 4* and 5* version, for example the antigua or the sealed sword

You do know about the BH, AP, DA, and GF, right?

Antigua (we need more piercing guns)

Here's a necro-exempt thread from 50k

Deconstructor(Add Elemental Damage so that it gets useful)

Elemental would make it more useless, as it wouldn't work on Gremlins.
The line needs to branch off the Super Blast Bomb, not the Blast Bomb. That's all that needs fixing.

Spur(5* version is missing...)

You're not the first person to notice this: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site:forums.spiralknights.com+5+star+spur

Brandish(a normal brandish wich deals normal damage, the color of the explosions should change every time and use the player eye colors)

The brandish does do normal damage, so does the Cautery sword.

Troika(there was a 3rd troika, so why not create a complete line with a fire and a shock troika ?)

I'd link you to a better thread, but I don't have the link on me.
Anyway, "Troika" means three.

Magnus(i know that Callahan works like the Magnus, but i think it would be better to have a weapon that looks like the Magnus and change the Callahan to a elemental gun wich can inflict shock(the color looks like a shock themed weapon)

Normal Guns: 5
Valiance
Iron Slug
Volcanic Pepperbox
Supernova
Neutralizer

Shadow Guns: 3
Umbra Driver
Blackhawk
Biohazard

Piercing Guns: 3
Blitz Needle
Plague Needle
Callahan

Elemental Guns: 6
Hail Driver
Magma Driver
Storm Driver
Nova Driver
Polaris
Argent Peacemaker

You want to take a piercing gun and make it elemental, so there's only 2 piercing guns in the whole game, and 7 elemental? Additionally, you want to take away the only stun dealing gun and make it into shock, which there are already 2 guns that do?

4* and 5* breaker lines( i know that 1-5* breaks the uv market and everything... but i got a idea to fix it. 1.) the 1* version is not needed to craft the 2* one. or 2.) each version doesn't need the other set(5* would be crafted without the 4* set).

What's the point of 5 star voltbreak or firebreak armors when we already have Grey Owlite? And Nameless poncho works fine for a 5 star Icebreaker.

Add a bomb line that works like the firecracker bomb that starts at 3*(i know, you think it would break the "mist" bombs, but i think that they could have the cloud that does the status for a longer time

Probably the only semi-original idea here. And no, it wouldn't break the mist bombs, as the status chance would be lower.

Cautery Sword upgrade ?(i know the sword was made to help players to defeat the Royal Jelly, but wouldn't it be good if this "player trap" was changed into something useful ?)

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=site:forums.spiralknights.com+cautery+sword+upgrade

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 02:00
#2
Blitzsonic's picture
Blitzsonic
Oh, you changed your comment, i thought about posting...

I know the avenger line and the faust, the idea of the sealed sword/antigua thing is that they keep their effects and not change to completely different weapons.
I got the Deconstructor idea from an other topic wich is rather old and i didn't want to necro(wich is the reason why most ideas aren't original). I thought about spilt normal and Elemental damage.

The Brandish idea is to have a "normal" brandish that works like the proto sword and has no bonus damage or weakness to enemies.

Troika means three, but what do the other names mean... ?

I didn't want to remove the Magnus piercing gun, the callahan will be elementar and the new 5* magnus will basically be like the old callahan.

Breaker lines and Cautery swords are player traps, a new player sees it, gets the set and has to start at 2* again because it ends at 3*, so i thought
that it could help.

The firecracker idea would include a shock and a ice version, so i'm not sure if it would break it.

I know that some ideas are everywhere, but i wanted to include it here, more people will like this idea, post and +1, and if OOO reads the thread, they will probably see that and add it.

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 02:14
#3
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

I know the avenger line and the faust, the idea of the sealed sword/antigua thing is that they keep their effects and not change to completely different weapons.

The sealed sword isn't going to change. It's supposed to be a weapon with its power sealed (hence the name) and when it gets unsealed its charge becomes really powerful. That's Nick's original idea for it.
The antigua is a bit of a wierd weapon though. It could be changed to a normal damage weapon, but that might affect its use in T2 PvP.

Troika means three, but what do the other names mean... ?

They're names for Yugoslavian/Scandinavian/Russian mountains or something like that.

I didn't want to remove the Magnus piercing gun, the callahan will be elementar and the new 5* magnus will basically be like the old callahan.

Here's a better idea for a Magnus upgrade, from mid 40k.

Breaker lines... are player traps

Not so much, they're useful in tier 2 PvP, and they also have the highest Tier 2 status resistance in the game. They're good as an experimental armor for new players. I could also argue for their usefulness as Last Stand armors, but that's a whole 'nother story.

Cautery Sword needs a complete overhaul, but you haven't provided any information on how you plan on doing it.

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 03:20
#4
Blitzsonic's picture
Blitzsonic
The original sealed sword

The original sealed sword idea was changed because the crafting system got added.
I'm not sure about the antigua, but i think a piercing 4* and 5* version would be good.(the fast speed might be fast enough to hit wolvers)

I'm not sure about the troika idea, but wouldn't it be good to add the shock troika back ?
The idea of the magnus is to have something like a "ultra magnus" that looks like the 3* and 4* version and not completely different like the callahan does. The other idea looks good.

I'm not sure about the cautery sword, since it alredy gives a high bonus against slimes. Maybe it could be changed into a "normal" brandish, but i'm not sure about this since royal jelly is already hard enough

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 04:54
#5
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Thunder-The-Bright

my turn.
ok on adding more weapons, but:
1
Sealed Sword(the 5* could have all status effects and the aura should change to the next effect that will happen on the next charge, only normal damage)

is OP. pretty much, now it's good because it's little. if you were to expland the area it would become too much.
2 deconstructor with elemental damage= nitrome with spcialized damage =more spammers around. no, ty.

3
Brandish(a normal brandish wich deals normal damage, the color of the explosions should change every time and use the player eye colors)

a)we don't need other brandishes
b) nobody would care until normal damage beats the neutral damage, and then that one would become OP.

3
Troika(there was a 3rd troika, so why not create a complete line with a fire and a shock troika ?)

there is a third troika, cherub has it. should. well, it's a GM weapon, and I think it's on "dream on" mode. fire troika would be OP cause knockback. oh, on troika weapon lines: stun line are ballrooms, freeze lines are mountains.

4 4* and 5* breaker lines
you would like armors worse than the ones we have right now?

5 Cautery Sword upgrade ?(i know the sword was made to help players to defeat the Royal Jelly, but wouldn't it be good if this "player trap" was changed into something useful ?)

player trap? only guy selling recipies is the cobalt guy in HoH, and nobody's buying it anyway.

6
You do know about the BH, AP, DA, and GF, right?

Blackhawk? you mean Sentenza.

7
I got the Deconstructor idea from an other topic wich is rather old and i didn't want to necro(wich is the reason why most ideas aren't original). I thought about spilt normal and Elemental damage.

that's worse than before. with chaos it's more OP than a deconstructior with just elemental damage.

8
Maybe it could be changed into a "normal" brandish, but i'm not sure about this since royal jelly is already hard enough

you have problems. either lower the difficulty or get a 4-5* weapon.

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 05:16
#6
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

Is the Blackhawk not an upgrade of the Antigua?

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 05:19
#7
Thunder-The-Bright's picture
Thunder-The-Bright

you mentioned AP, GF, DA. a 4* with 3 5*? does not seem fitting.

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 05:26
#8
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle

Sentenza can't be represented up by a two-letter acronym, and I wanted to be on a roll ^^

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 05:41
#9
Blitzsonic's picture
Blitzsonic
I'm not saying that i have

I'm not saying that i have problems with the royal jelly, but the mission can be very hard with 3* gear(i think it's a bit easier with the orbs now, but back then you had 1 set and couldn't get chroma or cautery sword.)

I see that the ideas could break some pvp rules, but i'm not sure what would work better.

I wanted a normal brandish so we have a 5* version of a sword that works like the proto sword and does no extra damage to special enemies

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 06:10
#10
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
@Blitzsonic

but the mission can be very hard with 3* gear(i think it's a bit easier with the orbs now, but back then you had 1 set and couldn't get chroma or cautery sword.)

It is supposed to be hard, it's a boss run. Firestorm Citadel is hard even with 5 star gear.
Why couldn't you get chroma gear?

I wanted a normal brandish so we have a 5* version of a sword that works like the proto sword and does no extra damage to special enemies

The Calibur is the go-to sword for those who want three-hit combo and normal damage.

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 11:18
#11
Blitzsonic's picture
Blitzsonic
I know that it is a boss

I know that it is a boss level, but i can solo the twins without any revives and 3* armor.

How is a f2p player that gets a low amount of cr and currently working on his 3* wolver/dusker set supposed to get the chroma armor back then ?

The calibur doesn't have the explosion charge attack while the proto sword did.

2 new ideas:
Normal:
bomber sets with shadow defense and a set with piercing, there are different gunner and striker sets, but there is none for bombers
5* vitasuit crafted from the 4* one
Shadow Lair:
A gunner set, why isn't there any ?
A bomber set with charge time reduction(or change the mercurical set so it gives ctr)

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 10:56
#12
Vengear
I gotta say I agree with this

I gotta say I agree with this guy. the spur is kinda a good sword.(my brother uses it). so what's stopping the developers from creating a 5 stars version of spur?

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 11:12
#13
Blitzsonic's picture
Blitzsonic
The spur 5* was suggested

The spur 5* was suggested many times, i would also like a second version that doesnt' create bullets so that you can still hit enemies with it.
There are some things that got never fixed, removed items or enemies because they wanted to "fix" them, or unfinished recipe lists like the deconstructor or the spur. Let's hope that it will be added

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 19:51
#14
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Kloriff
More than this...

There aren't many piercing ranged guns- I made a callahan just to give my gunner the third option versus beasts and fiends and the like, after getting them sentenza and argent peacemaker.

This isn't the only thread suggesting the addition of more weapons- you'd think the devs got the hint by now and did something about it.

gg to the trolls putting this thread down with stupidities.

Mon, 08/05/2013 - 22:00
#15
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Klipik-Forum

Every single idea here has been suggested before, and you didn't add anything new to any of them. Why should I try to discuss anything on your thread, when there are dozens of more focused, better-explained threads I could necro?

And Kloriff, go see what the devs have been doing the past 7+ months. And maybe think about what you're saying before you start throwing around words you obviously don't understand.

Tue, 08/06/2013 - 00:37
#16
Hexzyle's picture
Hexzyle
@Blitzsonic

I know that it is a boss level, but i can solo the twins without any revives and 3* armor.

It's a matter of opinion, some people find RT harder than RJ. RJ includes lots of active combat, while RT requires strategy and timing of traps.

How is a f2p player that gets a low amount of cr and currently working on his 3* wolver/dusker set supposed to get the chroma armor back then ?

Why do you need Chroma if you're getting Dusker? They both function the same in RJP.

The calibur doesn't have the explosion charge attack while the proto sword did.

Does everything have to have exploshuns in order for it to be good? Can't you just accept that different swords will work in different ways, and have disadvantages? (Brandish being that it doesn't have a normal or piercing line, and Calibur that it doesn't go BOOOM when you use it's charge attack)

5* vitasuit crafted from the 4* one

Ancient Plate Mail > 5 star Vitasuit

A bomber set with charge time reduction(or change the mercurical set so it gives ctr)

Both the Bombastic and the Volcanic Demo give a Charge time Reduction.
Are you talking about why there isn't a Shadow Lair Demo armor with CTR? Well why isn't there a Shadow Lair swordsmen armor with ASI? Why not move all 5 star Demo, Wolver, and Gunslinger upgrades into shadow lair, since "oh no, we can't have some in and some out, they all have to be Shadow Lair armors or none at all"
Why does everything have to be only craftable from the Shadow Lair? It's not like we have hundreds of different armors. By shoving lots of stuff in the Shadow Lair only, you're cutting equipment off for a lot of people, and it could even be seen as a "paywall" manoeuvre.

This isn't even a thread of creativity. It's just "hey let's create a meaningless thread where I throw all the things I'd like to see in the game without being inventive or original at all".

You have two options when you think of something. You can comment on, and give useful feedback (not just a "+1 dis wud be good in gaem") on a pre-existing thread, or you can follow the guide.

Wed, 08/07/2013 - 15:10
#17
Blitzsonic's picture
Blitzsonic
Basil's recipes in the

Basil's recipes in the mission lobby are like the "recommended" gear for the mission.

The default gear should feel like the original proto gear that you had, the proto sword had explosions.

How about moving the 4* vitasuit to 5* ?

Bombers have no asi(wich could be added, so it reduces the time until the bomb explodes) and do you seriously want a normal charge time instead of faster charging ? Bombs only have a charge, so it's way more useful.

I was asking for a shadow lair gunner set, currently gunners don't have a "shadow lair reward set" I'm not sure if a change of the mercurical's dmg to ctr bonus would be bad, so I added the idea for a new shadow lair bomber set. Both of the sets would be new sets and not old sets moved to the sanctuary alchemy machine.

Bombers could have a 5* version that gives piercing or shadow defense, gunners have specialized sets and I think that bombers need them too.

I got a new idea: a shadow plate set, at the end of the plate line, the player can decide what "special" defense bonus they want, currently we have piercing and a elemental set(with a shield that doesn't offer elemental defense)

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 01:54
#18
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Scorcheir
A third Troika

could be called the "Thor's Sharpened Hammer" if they directly make the pre-existing one available to all players. It's charge attack could make lightning strike instead of a ray of light or explosion.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 11:12
#19
Blitzsonic's picture
Blitzsonic
The 3rd troika should have a

The 3rd troika should have a different name that fits the series. I thought about a spookat/mewkat helmet wich could be crafted from the 3* drake scale helmet. It would give shadow and normal defense + a bonus(low on 4* and medium on 5*)

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 11:19
#20
Thunder-The-Bright's picture
Thunder-The-Bright

we have the kat hoods for kat equips. we only don't know when we will be able to get them.

Thu, 08/08/2013 - 11:26
#21
Blitzsonic's picture
Blitzsonic
drake scale mail ->

drake scale mail -> silvermail
drake scale shield -> omega shell
drake scale helmet ->

i thought that it would be good to have 1 kat helmet that isn't event only

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