and more on lower difficulties. I don't want to be showered in free revs, that's not why I play higher difficulties.
Make sparks of life drop less in elite mode
Lun, 08/05/2013 - 05:03
Lun, 08/05/2013 - 05:27
#2
+1
That's an interesting unintended side effect lol
Lun, 08/05/2013 - 06:33
#3
eyes trying to see the end to another end
go in advanced, drop maximum Spark of Life as you can and have 'fun' in elite mode
well... anyway, only danger missions and Shadow Lair can reduce my Spark of Life amount (i still have 88 and its keep raising...)
Lun, 08/05/2013 - 10:45
#4
well this is the most idiotic
well this is the most idiotic suggestion i've ever come across.
Lun, 08/05/2013 - 11:24
#5
You must be new to the forum
Elite difficulty is suppose to be challenging. Getting free revives is not challenging. All they did was up the mob health and damage anyways.
Lun, 08/05/2013 - 13:55
#6
No, sorry
Ok, let's start with this:
Elite mode has the highest rewards and it's the easiest(and currently only good way to get orbs after the update) way to get rare things.
I know, that higher rewards are part of the high difficulty, but the following thing happened when the update got released:
Everyone got tier 3 items and went into the arcade on elite, tier 1 and 2 are rather a joke with tier 3 equipment, as it's very simple to destroy enemies and complete the level. Tier 3, was harder and you had to have the perfect gear for enemies if you wanted to have it "easy" or "playable" with 4 players.
The main problem was, you didn't have to fight the enemies, run and open boxes and only fight when you had to. OOO noticed this "farming" so they changed the droprate of orbs, wich can be very annoying for players that just want to play the game on advanced and get multiple gear loadouts like OOO promised.
I don't know what the correct solution for this problem would be, since having the same loot for all difficulties wouldn't be good, most players would play it on normal and some would try harder difficulties. An other problem would be that there is no "reward" for the higher difficulty, so players wouldn't like it.(i know some players who would play on elite, just for the difficulty, but most wouldn't)
Lun, 08/05/2013 - 14:16
#7
I'm not suggesting to lower the droprate of orbs of alcemy; this is only about the droprate for the item which can revive you, which makes the game easier.
It's no different than lowering the droprate for hearts, vitapods and pills; which Elite mode already does.
Lun, 08/05/2013 - 22:19
#8
-1
If this were to go through, playing easy mode would make the game easier. Which doesn't make any sense. Also, it could be easily exploited... Laze around on easy mode to stock up on revives, and then go for elite to get more loot, now with your added, virtually free, low-risk spark stockpile.
Lun, 08/05/2013 - 22:25
#9
But you will have wasted a lot of time playing normal mode for that. If you can be bothered with that, then more power to you.
I'm all in favour of having easy mode be easy. Isn't that what it's there for?
Lun, 08/05/2013 - 22:31
#10
The problem isn't that easy mode is easy, it's that easy mode would make hard mode easy.
Mar, 08/06/2013 - 00:24
#11
basically what Klipik says.
as i always said and i will say now, not matter how much time will take you farm 100 spark with your suggestion. if people have the chance to drop more sparks on easy mode than elite mode people will farm them to play elite mode without worries. people like to take advantage when they can not matter if it take it time.
so if we make drop more sparks on easy mode. people instead just will farm enough enough of them just to play elite mode without worries oh lets not forget that sparks give you a damage and stun boost. so the time isnt a matter even with the free elevator thingy isnt a matter.
now look to players that dont have a nice group of players to party. sure im also gathering sparks of life (i started to play this saturday and now i have 92 sparks) when i go to clockworks with my guildies and friends i know how we must play we dont need to spent the emergency revive, and when we have 1 bad party player rarely we use the emergency revive. and in strange cases the spark of life.
2 hours ago i have 94 spark of life spent 1 in fiend arena and another spark on slime arena, and you know why? because 2 of our party members killed all the monsters before we can kill the 4 turrets so we got a full field of 12 turrets that killed us. this wouldnt have happened if we have 2 good party members...
so my point its: elite mode would be easy if you play pretty good or go with good players but look trought the eyes to other players. they arent good as us. but they want to try elite mode to improve. like we do so its reasonabe why spark of life drop more on elite. sometimes we look those things for us only but never to those new players that want to try elite mode for the first time, we cant tell them "they can try it when they play better" but how they can know if they can if they dont try first?. bad party members, bad gear, elite mode first timer, etc that dont involved experienced players, guildie friends, make a big difference on who and how they play elite mode.
also the problem on elite mode its that monsters only got buff on damage and health, would be a completely and different story if OOO would have put back the Old AI on elite mode.
Mar, 08/06/2013 - 00:21
#12
Lick Number 58425
I think it would make more sense to simply remove the emergency revive from elite mode. That would essentially lower the number of free revives by one each depth.
Or you could just, you know, not use the sparks of life, or give away a little energy for each time you die.
Mar, 08/06/2013 - 00:40
#13
@Klipik-Forum
But would take twice as long to do so.
Isn't this the same with RPGs? If you hang around in lower levels, levelling up more, you're more prepared when you wander into higher level areas?
Mar, 08/06/2013 - 00:56
#14
Yeah, I don't see this "exploit" angle at all. I say let people farm Normal so they can bring sparks to Elite if they want to, no harm in that. Me, I'd feel ashamed to do something like that. Ashamed, and wasting time. Resorting to such a measure would be acknowleding I can't handle Elite mode on my own merits.
In the time spent playing Normal to farm Sparks of Life so you can revive yourself a lot on Elite (which is apparently a thing people who can't handle Elite really want to?), you'll earn less crowns, less mats, less orbs and crystals, had less chance to get rare drops from rare monsters. Switching between Normal and Elite will have a lower payoff than just being able to handle Elite all the time.
Mar, 08/06/2013 - 02:47
#15
But if you can't handle elite, you can play normal and not really get much better, but then have a bunch of sparks piled up and essentially pay your way through elite and get all the rewards without having the skill to really do it. In the current system, you can't get the highest rewards until you can really handle it, and when you finally get to a point where you can handle it you get enough loot drops to sustain yourself. It's self-rewarding, rather than having to flip between a farm and a challenge. You get a challenge all the time, and a good farm once you can handle the hardest challenge.
Plus, if you're good enough to do elite without spending tons of sparks, you don't need them anyway, so it doesn't matter if you get them or not. This change doesn't affect the top level of players, just the ones who are still growing.
Mar, 08/06/2013 - 03:19
#16
+1
Klipik the difference in payout isn't really game changing. Also I did a jelly king run the other day on normal one of them was low on sparks of life and the other was totally out!
Mar, 08/06/2013 - 03:34
#17
-1
Loool i play on elite for more loot, not less.
Mar, 08/06/2013 - 10:28
#18
Great, now look what you have
Great, now look what you have done. OOO is good at removing but not good at adding stuff, so they nerfed the drop rate of sparks on all difficulties.
Mar, 08/06/2013 - 11:07
#19
They probably figured out
They probably figured out that Sparks of Life are oversaturated and almost no one is buying them. Maybe it'll get people to buy the packs of Sparks of Life in the Supply Depot for once once the supply goes down.
Mar, 08/06/2013 - 11:22
#20
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well this is the most idiotic suggestion i've ever come across.
that's a brilliant critique you got there, you dunce
Mar, 08/06/2013 - 11:31
#21
-1
I play elite mode all the time but I still barely get any Sparks. In Elite mode payouts are higher...
Mar, 08/06/2013 - 11:43
#22
+1 to Potato, Klipik, Mtax, and Blitzsonic. We come to elite for drops and difficulty, not just difficulty.
Mar, 08/06/2013 - 11:58
#23
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there's no reason for me to play this game anymore if stuff only drops 1% of the time; I don't want to return to CE grinding :V
Mar, 08/06/2013 - 12:10
#24
Elite mode gives you more crowns. Use those crowns to buy energy and sparks from kozma.
Jue, 08/08/2013 - 02:17
#25
@Juances
Well, the energy price is going higher, and we might need the crowns for the recipes of the weapons
Jue, 08/08/2013 - 02:28
#26
energy price fluctuates between 6.3 ans 6.9k. yesterday was 7k, now it's 6.8k.
not that if you play advanced IMF with free elevator you get about 4kcr a run + tokens, then you can vendor equips.
Jue, 08/08/2013 - 03:08
#27
Oh, the energy price went
Oh, the energy price went back ? Good. I would do IMF, i can solo it and everything, but currently i'm playing on a laptop(i'm on holidays) and IMF has a very high framedrop(for some reason, RJ's framerate is very high) so i can't really play it that well
Jue, 08/08/2013 - 03:43
#28
low graphics and everything? you know, even my laptop isn't brand new, but I can handle the game if it lags and I can say "ok, stop and repeat" when I must use sparks.
+1