Spiral Knights - I don't believe you do not have sparks.

I don't believe you do not have sparks.

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Tue, 10/01/2013 - 08:19

Heavy-Dragon

Recently, I ran a T3 OCH mission with a full party of knights that wanted the 5 star weapons the mission promises. On the first floor, they all experienced two deaths, and each of them revived. From the second floor onward though, only one knight out of the three used sparks, and the other two began asking for revs. On the boss floor, none of the knights revved, but began asking me specifically to rev them. They all noted they were out of sparks.

By the end of the boss fight, I had used 15-20 sparks on the group of three, and two on myself since giving sparks requires you to stop moving.

I'd like to note at this point that while I was able to spare this many sparks in this instance, I still considered it a heavy and disappointing loss on my end, made all the more disappointing when I learned that the three other knights had been conversing in private and had willingly withheld the sparks they possessed because they "didnt want to waste", I "looked strong" and I "didnt die".

Briefly putting aside the fact that they lied to me and had me shoulder their expenses because I looked like I could handle it, this got me to thinking. How many knights -actually- run out of sparks in the clockworks? Seriously speaking. How many knights, squires included, can look at their rarity tab right now and not have a spark in their inventory?

I'd also like to ask the community a general question: Do you feel bad for knights that die and then ask for a rev? Do you revive knights you do not know on principle or on circumstance?

For example. If a knight comes to a dangerous mission, revs once, then begins asking for revs, does the fact that they came to a mission unprepared (which means that they assumed someone would carry them if they died) influence if you rev them?

Does the in battle inconvenience of having to stop and select the knights portrait influence your desire to rev them?

If they are reckless or lagging, do you rev?

if they are poorly equipped (proto knight in vana and -NOT- the skilled kind), do you?

Narrower yet, do you rev at all, friends or not?

It seems that Nick's intent of adding the sparks of life was partially geared toward making knights shoulder more of the burden of their death penalties, and also to deter players from assisting them in the heat of battle. Some knights have the habit of attempting to avoid this by playing possum. However, Spiral knights places large emphasis on teamwork, so I am conflicted. Should I rev, or not?

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 08:26

Zerokken

I'm low on sparks, myself,

I'm low on sparks, myself, and I only ask for revives from buddies if I run out. I'm trying to conserve by not reviving, but this is usually solo runs or runs that I don't intend on completing but wouldn't mind doing so.

Also, randoms usually won't be the most cooperative.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 08:29

Khamsin

That lol when you run with a full group of randoms. I usually at most duo with randoms, and if I spare them a spark and they die again, GGNORE there goes your loot.

I have almost two hundred sparks so sparing a spark is a matter of principle, not a serious concern. Also, I can pretty much solo carry a group through anything, so again, I don't really need to ever rez other than to keep people having fun and in the fight.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 08:31

Heavy-Dragon

I'm really curious about this, zerokken.

How many sparks do you have, and what's your current ranking?

I know sparks are rare, but there seem to be varying numbers for knights across the board. Some are way up in the 500s, and others only carry one or two.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 08:37

Bopp

a difficult question

I don't have a clear policy yet, but here are some of my probable tendencies. The issue is that people join missions that are obviously way out of their league, to get rewards that are way out of their league. I don't respect that. I respect patience with the game.

* My dear friends: I would gladly revive many times. But they rarely die, and they have tons of Sparks of Life themselves, so this never comes up.

* An inexperienced guildie who joins a party that is too hard: I might spend one Spark of Life on him, while telling him that I won't spend more, and asking him to stock up on Sparks of Life if he plans to undertake missions that are too hard for him. If he joins me the next day, I might not spend any Sparks of Life on him.

* A person in a random party: I might just leave him on the floor, or go solo.

I feel bad for being so austere. On the other hand, some of these novice players will rob you blind if you let them. Maybe there should be something in the UI that tells us whether the downed player is truly out of Sparks of Life?

Also, stopping to use a Spark of Life is a major hassle. Maybe we should be able to stand over them, press Attack, and then press Attack again to confirm?

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 08:44

Heavy-Dragon

I like the suggestion noted above.

Please make it happen, nick.

Have the knights occasionally flicker blue if they have a spark in their inventory and are downed, or something. It wasn't an issue to display when knights didn't have mist energy in a party, and it would be helpful to knights wishing to help when -other- knights are truly in need and not just being selfish.

I like playing Cleric, but I don't want to do so simply because someone doesn't want to pull their weight.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 10:29

Sir-Onox

The first mistake you make is

The first mistake you make is to rev them with your sparks.

My guild and other people have started to call those people with the term of 'Leechers', these players have sparks but they don't want to waste one. You can see these players in Danger Missions specially. When they lost their auto-rev and die again, they dont use a spark and they just wait to the other players arrive to the third reward-depth. It is very annoying when the Leecher is the leader of the party because you cant kick him (this happened me twice in Heart of Ice)
My advice? Go solo after kill the mini-boss, he should use a spark of life if he wants to get the reward (heh)

Sorry for my grammar.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 11:20

Mickmane

Heavy-Dragon wrote: "Do you feel bad for knights that die and then ask for a rev? Do you revive knights you do not know on principle or on circumstance?"

Why should I feel bad for them going where they aren't prepared for, and then want to leech off others?
I'd kick the beggar, or go solo (if I actually played with randoms).

If I decide to help some newly made friend, I decide if I use a Spark on that one individual, and that depends on how they behave. The decision to help them is made in Haven before going anywhere. If they beg, I abandon them.

Lazy beggars (and there aren't any that are not lazy) deserve nothing but contempt.

With long time friends (like the one who used his rarely-used Mist often to tab and rev me), it's more a who's faster to rev him. :) (No real inconvenience found yet at using a Spark on someone, except that once the options's gone, the bottom-most menu item is KICK! Eeek!)

Statistics: I tend to only need Sparks myself when I go somewhere dangerous, and I make sure I have a good buffer (100+) by usually going where it isn't dangerous. (I don't do "challenge".) When I do go dangerous places, it's not unusual to use between 5 and 10 sparks per level. (I suck.)

I would very much like the number of Sparks someone has next to the name (replacing that Prestige Badge would be coolest option - make it an option to show that or Sparks). No more liers, and an indicator that actually says something.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 11:38

Fangel

I wish there was that little energy icon next to or names still

I nearly always play with randoms, and have come up with a rather foolproof revive system.

I will NOT revive a party member that:
- Begs for a revive (asking once or twice is fine)
- Has not proven to be a valuable part of the team
- Bad-talks fellow party members

These rules also apply to my friends. I do occasionally decide to revive knights, but they don't show any symptoms that I listed above.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 12:11

Warp-Master

I'm loving the confrontational attitude that sparks are creating in random parties. Nope, not going to revive you even though you have no sparks and the monsters have stopped dropping loot on your end because you might be lying and I don't want to waste my valuable shiny if you are.

This is why we need to bring back health revives.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 12:18

#10

Khamsin

@Warp

I'm loving the confrontational attitude that sparks are creating in random parties. Nope, not going to revive you even though you have no sparks and the monsters have stopped dropping loot on your end because you might be lying and I don't want to waste my valuable shiny if you are.

This is why we need to bring back health revives.
"

Why are you entitled to someone else's sparks? If you're out, buy more, farm more, or PREFERABLY, STOP DYING!

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 12:20

#11

Krakob

In a random party, you aren't with people you know. You aren't with people you know you can trust.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 12:26

#12

Rhagnarock

erhm...

I only rez when I am at fault, if the person dies, tough luck, rez yourself.

"but I have no spark of life" well that's YOUR problem, I have 200+ now because I am good, L2P and stop dying.

The fact that I started with 60 and is now racking 200+ spark should indicate that it is NOT THAT HARD to farm them if you are actively looking for them...

I will rez out of pity, but I won't rez multiple time on one depth, you get one spark of life from me, use it properly.

For all that wonder this is my alt when I can't log onto Steam while at work... I am 5* and over 1000 hours in the game, I have good skins that will tell "I have tons of goodies" and regardless, I'm a cold-heart when it comes to this because NOBODY REZ ME WHEN I NEEDED TO, I SPEND 320 CE ON ONE REZ ALONE ON SL and paid the price, you pay the price of your own death

Plus... it cost 50 ce a spark when you die or 20 ce a piece from Supply Depot, if you are that poor then... you are terrible and should play with snarby a little more

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 12:34

#13

Khamsin

@Rhag

" I have 200+ now because I am good"

"NOBODY REZ ME WHEN I NEEDED TO, I SPEND 320 CE ON ONE REZ ALONE ON SL:"

Dat confusion.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 12:40

#14

Heavy-Dragon

not gonna insult people that say they have no sparks,

but to be honest, you know your skill level. If you can't survive, play lower levels until you make the crowns or gain the sparks needed to live in the tougher levels. Even a defender can beat snarby on elite.

You make the team weaker by not being prepared.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 13:09

#15

Zerokken

"How many sparks do you have,

"How many sparks do you have, and what's your current ranking?

I know sparks are rare, but there seem to be varying numbers for knights across the board. Some are way up in the 500s, and others only carry one or two."

9-3. Was that the one with Firestorm Citadel? If so, yeah, it was that.

With 9 sparks. I blame arenas and reckless gameplay in general.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 13:13

#16

Grittle

I HAVE 3 SPARKS AND I PROUD

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 13:20

#17

Offense-Armor

I'm a champion and I don't

I'm a champion and I don't have a single spark because I suck at PvE. Thankfully I have very nice friends who'll rev me. However, I always try to pay back anyone who revs me. Usually I'll give them a lot of 5* mats or whatever amount of cr I have on hand.
I usually die when I screw up placing a vortex and get surrounded.

Back when I actually had sparks I would usually rev someone once or twice before I would begin asking for payment :P
If someone really isn't contributing to the team then I won't rev them. You're probably better off playing with friends or guildees anyway because you can trust them to use it well or pay you back later.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 13:27

#18

Shotjeer

The answer: Don't rev people unless they are a good friend or a guildie. Random revs are ripoffs

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 13:34

#19

Xtweeterx

You want more sparks?

Just run FSC 9,000 times. It's really worth it and here's proof:

http://steamcommunity.com/id/Tweet/inventory/#99900_187090_182624580

The only time I'll use them is as if I'm dead, or reviving a guildmate or close friend. Randoms can use their own sparks if not rev themselves for 50 CE.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 20:32

#20

Writhes

I have a "don't revive

I have a "don't revive anyone" policy and a "people that stay dead on the floor get kicked" policy.

In T1 noobs are noobs but people that don't find a way to revive themselves in tier 3 should be fully aware of the burden they are on the group. Don't ever feel sorry for these people because there is no excuse for a player to lay dead on the floor for excess amounts of time. At such a point they are not compensating the HP boost enemies get for their participation.

edit: I fixed it just for you Xtweeterx.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 14:09

#21

Xtweeterx

@Writhes

Ummm... i wish I can make out what you said.

"people that don't revive get kicked" Does that mean if someone in your group dies and doesn't rev themself they get kicked? Or is it people who don't share sparks to dead T3 players get kicked?

"In T1 noobs are noobs" Agreeable.

EDIT: I figured the paragraph of the burden people are putting on the group.. My question above still remains unanswered.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 14:32

#22

Canine-Vladmir

-_-

Should have gone solo.
Im all up for parties, but sometimes its better to go solo and do what a mans got to do.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 14:43

#23

Xtweeterx

@Canine-Vladmir

Agreed. I solo all the time unless it's a SL or danger mission.

Solo gives more control and you don't have to use short-twitch reactions to your group's actions. and it's a bit calmer.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 15:23

#24

Klipik-Forum

not gonna insult people that say they have no sparks,
but to be honest, you know your skill level. If you can't survive, play lower levels until you make the crowns or gain the sparks needed to live in the tougher levels. Even a defender can beat snarby on elite.
You make the team weaker by not being prepared."

And this update was supposed to Increase teamwork?

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 15:51

#25

Munchkun

used to heal

I used to heal party members almost always because I felt bad, but it got really frustrating when I had a noober come with me to candlestick which I was trying to speed run. I revved him 5 times on something that was supposed to be a speed run for crystals.

Moral of the story: I'm done being nice. If you aren't a friend or guildie you're getting the kick. (Unless you're actually good)

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 15:55

#26

Skyguarder

My policy in parties is that if you die after using your ER, I won't revive unless it's a guildmate or a friend. If they beg and cry out loud for a revive, then they could just leave and cry.

This is why I always solo or do runs with friends and guildmates I ACTUALLY know.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 16:20

#27

Grimranger

I've never FSC'd with anyone who wouldn't rez themselves.
then again, I only run with my friends.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 17:42

#28

Ustrinaferalthorn

I HATE this.

I get it at some level, like if people were about to go to a SL or something (like I am), but if not, STOP BEING A MOOCH. I had wasted 20 sparks on a KoA run on 2 other people (10 each) & when I asked them if they could pay me for the revs, they acted like I just asked them if I could take a dump in their helms. If you do this, you should be ashamed of yourself.
After that run, quit reving people if I didn't feel like they could lift their own weight for any reason. Why should I waste my sparks on strangers who most likely wont give me anything in return & will probably die in 5 seconds anyways?

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 18:14

#29

The-Worst-Knight

I got 518 sparks and i'l ask

I got 518 sparks and i'l ask for rev, cause i used too many sparks since 07.30 update, about 5.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 18:55

#30

Its-Some-Secret

I just make people pay me to revive them, easiest way to get money to pay off your spark usage, and get a little extra. :D

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 19:17

#31

Arkate

...

I generally don't do runs with random strangers. The few times I do, I get lucky and it's usually a nice party. But at the same time, I remember one time some guy was just a complete a$$. It was before the mist removal, and I was doing the RJP. The party leader died, and so had the rest of the party. So there I was, braving the arena and taking down a giant lichen colony by myself. And it was going well. The party leader was screaming his face off telling me to rez. The colony was almost dead, and this was just before the elevator. I need about 10 seconds more to kill it, and he kicked me. And the funniest part was, I had already spent 80 energy on each of the party members reviving them. Two minutes later, I got an invite back and accepted. And then I died on the boss floor, and instead of rezzing me they all kept on going until they died. I asked for a revive, and they all told me to "rez" myself. That was one of the worst parties I'd ever had.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 20:43

#32

Writhes

It happen to me tonight when I decided to farm the Royal Jelly Palace for a few tokens.

I decided to open up the party so some lowbies could get some easy tokens, orbs, cr, etc... Some guy in cobalt or some other similar low class armor got dropped on the second RJP depth. I decided to leave him there to see if he would use a spark but just as I assumed he started asking for a rev while I was in the middle of fighting mobs. The moment that last mob dropped he had plenty of time to decide whether or not he wanted to rev himself so just like that he was gone...

It may sound mean or rude but the only way to discourage that kind of behavior is to create negative consequences for displaying it. Hopefully the next time that guy drops he will think twice before asking for a rev.

Tue, 10/01/2013 - 21:13

#33

Sylveon

If you need to use more than two or three sparks on a single floor, reconsider your skill level, tone down the difficulty setting, or try an easier tier to practice.

Sparks aren't even that rare to begin with so please be patient.

If you are reviving total strangers, please don't throw caution to the wind and let yourself get used like a tool. We can all learn from our mistakes. It's what you do to avoid repeating it that matters.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 02:44

#34

Mystrian

If the "friend" happens to be a begger I will rev that player once or twice, but the second spark i give the player I will die and just watch.

After all you can just replay the level right?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 03:17

#35

Skillextor

Tsk Tsk

Usually I am a ghost on the forums but today I must mention something.

Let me start off by saying, I am not the best player and I dont claim to be, but I can hold my own pretty decently.

So, today I was in haven just browsing the AH and a player ask me can I bring him to FSC, I was like sure thing. He had some 4* gun slinger gear on and such so I figured he would be good. Yeah... Things didn't turn out so well so I was basically carring him in FSC even though he would revive himself ocassionally. So at the end of the floor he ask can his friend join. I was like sure. He join and he was a vanguard. I told myself atleast I have a little backup now..

He did okay I suppose untill the last room right before Vana himself. So both of these guys are down and I have a hoard of zombies and 3 trojans onmy tail. I revive myself three times to kill all of the enemies. Then when I kill the final trojan and both of these guys revived themselves.

For some reason this infuriates me. How can you ask for help and your not even willing to help the person out. Then when the battle is over collect all tbe shiny loot. I could have saved my few sparks that I did have.

For some reason it gets worst. The. Vanguard guy ask can he invite one of his friends. I'm like sure! He Invite another vanguard and we head off to Vana. It wasn't pretty. We got vana to phase 2 and I had the big ogre frozen using shivermist for five minutes and he is still on phase 2. I notice both of these guys brought no type of gun even though they knew what they were getting themselves into.

I kindly just gave up and went to haven.

I seriously think a lot of people take your kindness for a joke.

It kind of makes me dont even want to help out people, and i'm not a jerk or anything but bad apples like that ruins it for the rest of the crowd. I would love to help out the weak and help them become strong, but it seems that most people expect everything to be handed to them and they want the results so quick. Sure someone can buy themselves all the best armour and such but that doesn't mean anything if they lack skill. I also think a lot of the crowd also are fairly young, hence why I hear begging in the streets of Haven.

Oh wellz, survival of the fittest?

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 03:55

#36

Inferno-Forum

/clap skillextor.
Skillextor for president.

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 04:16

#37

Mystrian

"It kind of makes me dont even want to help out people, and i'm not a jerk or anything but bad apples like that ruins it for the rest of the crowd. I would love to help out the weak and help them become strong, but it seems that most people expect everything to be handed to them and they want the results so quick. Sure someone can buy themselves all the best armour and such but that doesn't mean anything if they lack skill. I also think a lot of the crowd also are fairly young, hence why I hear begging in the streets of Haven."

America is lazy. *smile emote* (too lazy to type the correct smile emote)

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 04:23

#38

Limesheep

I never give out my Sparks, I would only give out a rev if they prove themselves to be worth the resources, and they just died a second time on a single floor and don't have any of their own... Yeah...

Wed, 10/02/2013 - 06:28

#39

Heavy-Dragon

I'd like to be helpful.

But the deterrent of being used as a means to an end simply because the other players refused to prepare themselves is very strong.

To the players that say this breaks teamwork or lessens it in any way, I'd have to disagree with you.

Knights are given full HP instead of just half per rev, and max stun per rev. If they work together properly, revives can be a powerful force for synergy, and does not handicap knights further. In the past, it seemed like I was being penalized just for being alive longer than my party.

Now, the burden of duty has shifted. since knights must stop to rev, since crowns dropped after a certain period are lost to dead knights, since crowns cannot be gained by dead knights, and since revives now have a permanent impact on the future ability of a knight to be a team asset (or at the very least less of a liability), knights are now -forced- to cut their losses.

If knights run out of sparks and energy, and they have proven themselves to be for lack of a better term incompetent in performing in certain areas, eventually they will either get better or play where they can survive. Knights that are more proficient team players will gravitate to each other.

I think that eventually the spark system will improve teams. right now there are some stubborn players that insist on being carried though. I'm going to start going solo when I feel like I'm being pressured to rev.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 03:51

#40

Scirio

Denied

I never rev anyone. Ever.
People will always spit in your face after they get what they want. I say, come prepared or don't come at all.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 05:18

#41

Sirius-Voltbreaker

@OP

Yeah I feel ya.
I wasted all my sparks on friends and some of it on myself.
I am all out of sparks right now.
You have to be selfish with them. Don't share them. Just because OOO says it promotes teamwork doesn't mean they are tellling the truth.
Just lie and say you only have enough for yourself.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 05:41

#42

Warp-Master

I think Rhagnarock (and Sirius, the ninja) above nails the overall attitude of this thread. "Hey, these are my sparks, go get your own!" Meanwhile the poor folks who actually don't have any sparks and don't have the ability to go buy more suffer. If this happens to new players often enough odds are they'll assume the community is full of jerks and ragequit. This leads me to believe that on the whole, sparks are too valuable to be the sole means of team revival. Bring back health revives.

However, Heavy-Dragon has a point too. When in the right hands, the almighty Revive Blast can be a powerful tool to get the party out of difficult situations. So in my opinion, health revives would work just fine as the lower tier of a two-tiered revive system. If you think you party needs the blast, or the health, use a spark. If you don't need the blast and just want to pull the poor guy up off the floor, share your health. If you feel you're being used, or if you know you're being used, leave him on the floor.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 05:44

#43

Khamsin

@Warp

"Meanwhile the poor folks who actually don't have any sparks and don't have the ability to go buy more suffer."

They should suffer, if they're playing on too high of a difficulty. Go down in difficulty, or be prepared to make some real money transactions.

Health revives will only further trivialize the game with the current system. No.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 06:53

#44

Heavy-Dragon

Warp, I have to agree and disagree with you.

how pointless is that ^, huh? Rofl.

But anyway, I'm on the fence. (not about not revving, I'm decided on that.) On the one hand, health revives would surely reduce the need for spark revs. The question is, how steep would the reduction be? ER's give full health per floor and are recharged per floor; between those, decent seraph owners, and health revives, Sparks would probably become pretty nonessential. and apparently OOO makes money off of them at the moment.

The other hand is, like I said before, health revives penalize me for being alive. I'd frankly look and feel like an ass if I thought that someone wasn't worth half of whatever my current HP bar was, and so avoided downed knights and continued fighting. That given, I'd end up having a single or half of a pip of HP for most runs I did with a weak team, due to pouring all of my HP into their char. I frankly don't want to go back to that.

I'd also like to note that sparks of life, while rare, are NOT nonexistent on normal or advanced difficulties. That fact should motivate players that cannot survive in elite or higher missions to play through normal or advanced, learn monster attack patterns and how they move, learn how to deal with them and stock up on sparks as they prepare to be a valuable team asset.

Much of the grief that players experience when they have to carry players come from those players not taking the time to make sure they aren't a burden, if I can be so bold.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 21:06

#45

Sandwich-Hero

Huh

I have 15 sparks. I used to have almost 60, but I wasted some on HoI runs with dead guildies. :/

I CAN and WILL solo GitM and C42 on Elite for sparks and radiants without using more than 3 sols each. SLs, LoA, or random fun runs with friends and guildies are the ONLY time I will NOT solo a level.

The most sols I've ever used on any solo run is like, 3. With 15 sparks, with that rate of usage, I can totally float my boat with that. I will sol grind at Alone in the Dark if I run lower than 5.

Here's a message for everyone who reads this.

Stop dying. Follow the above advice.

Thank you for taking the short time needed to read this.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 22:00

#46

Writhes

@Warp-Master

Oh please, being poor has nothing to do with it!!! I have NEVER purchased sparks and I have racked up around 230 so far by simply playing careful and declining bad players. Anyone can farm arcade for a few hours and find a ton of sparks even from tier 1 so there is no excuse for people not having sparks other than them being lazy and unprepared.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 22:29

#47

Oboron

Been a while...

I made a suggestion to stop something like this happening quite a while ago actually. However, since many knights only want to see new weapons or whatever they mean by "new content"added to the game, it was put to the side.

I thank those who did comment though, shows that they know what even the little suggestions can make a big difference.

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 22:33

#48

Red-Galaxy

Ever since the sparks came i

Ever since the sparks came i soloed a lot more tier 3 missions on elite. What does that make me?

Thu, 10/03/2013 - 23:16

#49

Writhes

@Fallen-Night

I read your post and frankly I do not understand the logic. Basically, you suggest adding a way to show the difference between players that can self revive and those that can't.

It seems irrelevant to me whether a person can or can't self revive. If they can self revive they should... and if they can't then why would you want to revive someone that joined a group unprepared? Neither are more deserving of a rez from someone else imo.

I unbiasedly give all players that do not self revive the same treatment... A big kick.

Fri, 10/04/2013 - 01:03

#50

Niichi

@Writhes

Because some people would genuinely like to help with reviving a bit but don't like the idea that there may be players who will pretend not to have SoLs. You may prefer to not revive other players, and that's fine. Nobody should feel obligated to dish out revives and that means the indicator would be meaningless to you.

For players that do dish out the occasional revive, the indicator could be important in making that decision.

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I don't believe you do not have sparks.