rofl, thx.

Yes, that's what I always think before fighting vana: "That f*** cheater again!" Although I consider some of the examples you have here part of the game, usually if something kills me in this room it's nothing that looks like it's an intended gameplay element.

Also you forgot / didn't catch some:
- slack from the south bumps you into alternate reality
One moment, everything is fine. Works great! Suddenly, from one frame to another, you're somewhere entirely else in the room, most likely dead, and there's lava everywhere as far as the eye can see. I can only imagine that those are sneak attacks by slacks from the south during sneaky lag spikes, because this doesn't happen if I manage to stay in sight of the south wall.

- vana ragequitting (or vana invulnerability)
"Those players are mean, I quit". Pop, vana gone (or frozen, invulnerable). He does seem to do this intentionally, when you're under time pressure (server restart + RL stuff) and/or aren't in a mood to call a GM (+get carried though all those loading screens & start the fight over), doesn't he?

- karma trap
Well, at least I can ce-res after the lag-spike is over and start over with full hp, right? Not always: often enough now, I died between / in lava tiles that instantly gets me back down to 3-4 HP bars again. It looks as if sometimes you just can't move away from / though the lava tile that landed on top of you, before you stopped blinking and caught fire. Btw, you can get out of there solo most of the time (I always managed to so far) if you just don't press your shield button. Problem is: you most likely end up dead just a few tiles away again.

( I'm sure there's more, but I don't want to remember xD )

That being said... well I'm playing with 1 or 2 bars connection most of the time. More often 1 than 2, since the game went steam. I've never had 3 bars inside the clockworks and the only time I've seen 4 bars was 2 minutes after a server restart, for about 5 Seconds (I think my heart stopped for that time while I wondered, If they finally found a way to make those extra resources available to players that aren't practically sitting on the server providers lap with their computers ;)).

Most of the challenges in the game seem to be bugs rather than features at this point... but it's till fun. There should be special achievements like: "fought and killed a trojan in the middle of zombies with 1fps" or "bumped to death by a T1 jelly during disconnect". xD

( And btw: All devilites are f* lowping aimbotter %#*$#!!! :D )

BTW rits...saw ur mouse hovering over the 'leave party' button =P good thing u didn't =P hahahaha

I see what some of you guys are saying but I disagree that "don't get hit" is a valid argument here. If you're going to do damage to vanaduke then you're eventually going to get hit because that means you're going to either be stationary or moving very slow leaving you in "sub par" locations. I don't see how "#1, 3 and 4 are [his] only valid complaints". The others are just examples of how cheap the fight can be. Of course all those are avoidable if he isn't in the attack path. Are you kidding me? The question is can you ALWAYS avoid the attacks if you're also planning on killing him sometime this century. The 5th phase requires you to do a lot of things here:

1) Put out flame souls so your bullets aren't obstructed
2) Put out flame on the ground so you can move and avoid attacks
3) Actually attack vanaduke

All three of these things leaves you extremely vulnerable to the attacks duke and the slag guards are doing. Many of the attacks come from out of fov range and are obstrcuted by either vanaduke or other obstacles in room. You said as much yourself. How can you say getting hit by cheap shots isn't a valid complaint then complain about how difficult it is to avoid attacks because they are completely cheap?

Also, I think you're misreading the complaint on #7, Meta. The problem here is that the action button is both attack and pick-up. He was shooting duke and ended up picking up the bubble which immobilized him and made him get hit by a slag guard. Pick up/revive should be mapped to a different key as many people have been saying for a long time.

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BTW, the only reason that nobody complains about any of the stuff in this thread is because EVERYONE does it the easy way (i.e. spawn control, shiv lock, environmental obstacles)

@Haters -

I suggest you go back and read the first post. The OP said nothing other then to list his equipment and a link to the video. He said nothing else. If bragging happened, it happened in your mind. If the OP made a mistake, it was "feeding the trolls" - responding to the hate.

I see that you feel hurt that the OP posted a video of him cleanly killing Vana without the "optimal" gear most people suggest. I am sorry that hurts your feelings. If you would like to start a thread in Gremlin Chatter exploring why this hurts your feelings, I am willing to listen and help you explore your feelings about this.

Hating is wrong people. Its a vicious cycle. No matter how much you hate, in the end, you only hurt yourself.

I lol'd hard on 3 and 8. Very wtf moments. Well played Vanaduke, and great job sawa pointing out all the Duke's abuses. I cannot count the number of times 1 and 4 have finished me off too.