Spiral Knights - Is texture-editing allowed?

Is texture-editing allowed?

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Sun, 07/10/2011 - 23:03

Zettalux

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/File:Glacius_PinkiePie.png

Under no circumstance am I holding anything against copyrights and whatnot - all properly is of Three Rings and Sega.

So I've been doing some texture editing/recolouring. As you can see, above, I have my glacius set to Pinkie Pie colours. I'm just wondering if I'm allowed to do this, because I don't want to be breaking any rules here. For the record, I have a piece of equipment edited to each pony :D (but the only one I've uploaded is my Pinkie-Glacius). If not, then I can deal with not touching em at all.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 23:08

Cyprux

Legacy Username

not allowed.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 23:11

Zettalux

I'm sorry but, would you like

I'm sorry but, would you like to back up your statement, at least? Sources of this confirmation?

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 23:24

Urch

Considering that...

Considering that you're the only one who sees this, or would even realize that the textures have been edited, i don't really see the issue. but it probably is a violation of the terms of service.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 23:43

Dirt

Legacy Username

6. Restrictions. You agree

6. Restrictions. You agree not to do any of the following prohibited actions:

1. reproduce, distribute, publicly display or perform, translate, modify, adapt, create derivative works from, deconstruct, reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble in any manner Spiral Knights or any portion thereof, including but not limited to any character, graphic, associated software or proprietary communications protocol used by the software or any utilities, applications, emulators or tools derived therefrom;

...

13. modify any files or use any game hacking/altering/cheating software or tools, including scripting or macroing software, or attempt to disassemble the game client and/or decipher the data transmissions between Spiral Knights' client and server. These activities will result in immediate termination of the Player's Account and may subject you to civil and/or criminal liability.

To be on the safe side, I'd say no.

Sun, 07/10/2011 - 23:45

Pupu

Legacy Username

but!

Who cares, pinkie glacius is awesome :P

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 00:06

Negimasonic

It's allowed if you never

It's allowed if you never ever tell anyone you're doing it...oh whoops too late. Enjoy your ban.

Just kidding I hope. But how long have you been doing this? Don't actually answer that. But I'll leave that to your discretion if you think its wise to continue doing that especially now that you've brought attention to yourself.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 00:33

Eshajori

Legacy Username

I think

A ban would be really cruel for this as long as he doesn't intend to keep doing it. I mean yeah, he could have found out through TOS. But who REALLY reads ALL of that? He wouldn't have come here asking if he wanted to break any rules.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 00:41

Tenkii

1. reproduce, distribute, publicly display or perform, translate, modify, adapt, create derivative works from, deconstruct, reverse engineer, decompile or disassemble in any manner Spiral Knights or any portion thereof, including but not limited to any character, graphic,

derp, there goes the fanart contest lol

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 00:42

Negimasonic

That's why I wrote just

That's why I wrote just kidding. I don't think they're that hardcore

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 01:15

#10

Dirt

Legacy Username

http://forums.spiralknights.c

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/10289#comment-59983
If you were in any doubt with the art contest.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 02:31

#11

Ightex

Well, its too late to say you

Well, its too late to say you aren't allowed. But I think the idea of the TOS is that as long as you don't advertise, promote, or distribute whatever procedure or code that would modify the game in any way or would hack the game, AND if you don't forwardly announce that you are actually doing these processes...well, they wouldn't know about it and probably wouldn't care.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 04:06

#12

Zanarias

Legacy Username

wowza

Never have I seen a community so worried and panicked about the TOS.

It's a local change. You could be lying right now. I have no way to know for sure if you did this, maybe you photoshopped it, etc etc. Stop worrying about it unless you're doing something ACTUALLY wrong like hacking or cheating.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:23

#13

Zettalux

I'll keep that in mind. Thank

I'll keep that in mind. Thank you for your conerns/answers, everyone.

Sorry for any violations - I'm willing to take appropriate procedures to undo anything if needed.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 10:25

#14

Zettalux

13. modify any files or use

I don't really see anything that goes under what I've done. I'm not trying to say what I'm doing is legit, but recolouring textures doesn't exactly fall under "scripting or macroing software, or attempt to disassemble the game client and/or decipher the data transmissions between Spiral Knights' client and server".

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:07

#15

Pika_power

Legacy Username

Morally, I'd say you're in

Morally, I'd say you're in the clear. It doesn't make you money, nor does it help you cheat the game, which appear to be the reasons behind those parts of the ToS.

Legally, you can probably be screwed over if OOO wanted to. But why would they? They're encouraging a fanart contest, so I think it's fairly unlikely that they would try to screw you for this.

I guess the only way to know is from a OOO ruling.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:17

#16

No-Fun-Allowed

Yep, it's against the rules.

I've read the TOS myself.

And some users in this thread have already pointed out that it's against the TOS. Either way what you're doing is unnecessary and risky. (Lol OP is obsessed with My Little Pony.)

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:29

#17

Algol-Sixty

13. modify any files or use

13. modify any files or use any game hacking/altering/cheating software or tools, including scripting or macroing software, or attempt to disassemble the game client and/or decipher the data transmissions between Spiral Knights' client and server. These activities will result in immediate termination of the Player's Account and may subject you to civil and/or criminal liability.

I don't really see anything that goes under what I've done

I do. Or, do you somehow have a way of modifying the texture files to be pink without modifying the texture files?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:30

#18

Patito

Another consideration

The TOS aren't just morality rules and protections against profiteers. If your game client suddenly stops working and you've been mucking around in the game's internals, it becomes immeasurably harder for three rings to provide support. In the best case they tell you to just reinstall the client, in the worst your client might send them misleading crash reports. They aren't going to ban you, but they also aren't going to give you a pat on the back and say 'go forth we approve.' Because if everyone did this, everyone's client would be breaking willy nilly and support would cry or /wrists.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:40

#19

Zanarias

Legacy Username

More confused by the second

I still am not getting this. TOS violation blabblaa, but tons of games embrace texture editing and client-side personalization. If this is possible here, and it's not affecting anyone, I seriously don't see a problem with it. I feel like I've joined a religious group or the morality squad.

Additionally I've never ever heard of anyone's game breaking due to a minor texture mod.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:44

#20

Patito

I have never once heard of

a game that encouraged you to change internal files. If a game encourages client side mods they do so through official scripting languages and APIs. To be very succinct... a company condoning (much less encouraging) the modification of internal files is nigh unheard of. What games do you play, sir?

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 11:45

#21

BiggestLoser

Legacy Username

Zelda

why is it so hard to not rub it in their face on the forums? break rules no1 cares as long as no1 knows...ur pretty much killing urself

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 12:28

#22

exaiphnes

Legacy Username

wish this was something

wish this was something they'd support, I'd love to be able to edit out the massive amount of glow particles this game uses.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 13:37

#23

Zanarias

Legacy Username

Ever heard of Source?

In response to Patito,

Pretty much everything on the source engine. Skin/texture installation isn't done through any scripting language, it's done by good old file overwriting. Entire communities are based around it and in the past Valve (the company) has set up their games for the full purpose of adding or modifying skins. In short, they encourage it.

This game is pretty much begging for texture mods with how pathetically easily accessible the textures are. Seriously, they're not even hidden or encrypted or even put into some sort of compressed file.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 14:05

#24

Cyprux

Legacy Username

This isn't valve. This is a

This isn't valve. This is a much smaller company pouring their hearts and souls into a free to play game. Editing textures hurts the company in many ways. If you can't respect the effort they put into this game or that they don't want you editing their files than I believe you are a terrible person.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:16

#25

Zettalux

This seems like a

This seems like a controversial topic, but both sides have quite valaid points, morally or not.

I mean, there are plenty of ways they could simply lock the source files. It doesn't take more than a few clicks to access them, let alone the textures of the game. And this goes for many video games - and I haven't come across a dev that is very strict on simple texture-editing. Of course, to some extent is it morally wrong/right, but I don't plan on doing a complete overhaul.

As for the question if it's local or not, yes it is. By replacing a texture file in my files, it will only show up for me and me only.

The only thing that seems to be against this is the TOS and, well, more morals. The TOS is the whole reason I came to ask here, though.

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 15:38

#26

Taeloh

as this entire thread should

deleted ... as this entire thread should be

Mon, 07/11/2011 - 16:26

#27

Endymion

Game Master

This sort of modification

This sort of modification (and indeed, any modification of files belonging to the game installation) is, as several of you have mentioned, a violation of our Terms of Service and not something we permit.

There are many reasons for this; the simplest and strongest is that it's a rather slippery slope: While this modification might not give you an advantage in the game, there's certainly scenarios where similar changes might appear to give one. And we're pretty certain that most players would not want that, just as we don't.

There's also other considerations - reputation impact through bad modifications looking as if they represented the game as designed, for instance on YouTube, as an example. There also is a certain risk that such changes can have an unforseen impact on functionality of the game, thus creating support inqueries (that we then can't help with). And a few other things.

So, in short - don't do this.

There also really is nothing to discuss about this, so I'm closing this thread.

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