Arena looping
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 09:51
I have a decent solution to all these arena loopers and their crimes... I think OOO should give a CE reward for reporting or leading to a ban of all arena loopers it would keep energy costs quite a bit lower and get rid of all the felons and thus get rid of alot of controversy surrounding it and take us back to peace and quiet in the game.....
That is all.... let the flaming commence!
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 10:22
#2
Just good luck handling the
Just good luck handling the flamers. Have no real opinion about arena looping, on one hand its helping players profit and stay, on the other its not making the task any easier for the newcomers.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 10:28
#3
It would benefit more then it
It would benefit more then it would deny anything.. i personally think it would improve the game but thats me
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 10:35
#4
Zelda
id never report the people who invited me and helped me gain money, i dont even report the afkers in my friends list if any at all
highest id ever go(for a reward that is! cuz ima lazy ass) is giving people a warning
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 10:46
#5
Arena looping is a
Arena looping is a exploit
Abuse exploit is punished with a ban.
Gms dont care about arena loop.
High reward with less risk.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 11:02
#6
Gms dont care about arena
Gms dont care about arena loop.
GMs have said they care about looping and will ban people for it.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 11:04
#7
As ive said this is a win-win
As ive said this is a win-win it helps players and it helps the game
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 11:11
#8
People getting banned for
People getting banned for looping? Never heard of anyone being banned for that.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 11:13
#9
You can't hear someone who
You can't hear someone who can't talk...
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 11:22
#10
@Bexar "People getting banned
@Bexar "People getting banned for looping? Never heard of anyone being banned for that."
Eeyup me too
"you can't hear someone who can't talk..."
MMmmm nah, i know about 5 guilds dedicated to arena loop i asked them if somone got baned, they tell me nobody in the guild got a ban..
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 11:28
#11
Think this can be explained
Think this can be explained easily: when you see someone looping arenas, he's either your friend of your guildmate. Who would report his/her own friend or guildmate?
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 11:31
#12
Exactly Thoran, so how does
Exactly Thoran, so how does anyone get banned for it?
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 11:37
#13
I know of people that have
I know of people that have got banned for looping. It may not be a recent banning. But a bunch of people were banned for looping the jelly king palace and farming tokens before they kind of fixed it.
Also, I'm not gonna go out of my way to report a looper. I will say they can and probably will some day get banned for looping. I do not encourage looping and I don't want it broadcasted in my guild chat and my guild knows such. If they want to loop then they are doing it where I don't know. I don't want to know. I don't loop and I want no part in it.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 12:18
#14
Thats why there is a new SK
Thats why there is a new SK motto "good friends dont let friends arena loop"
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 12:19
#15
I think OOO may have kind of
I think OOO may have kind of fixed looping, there hasn't been a d5 or 6 arena for the past 4+ gates. That'd be the easiest way to prevent it, because most people don't want to loop t2 arenas because they're just annoying.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 13:18
#16
It's strange to me you guys
It's strange to me you guys are getting all up in arms against arena looping.. Boss looping has already been nerfed, which makes perfect sense, but doing an arena over and over is just proof that arena levels are vastly more rewarding than they ought to be. I do seek arenas myself because my 4* and 5* gear i've suddenly come to realize needs tons of heat, but really there's one huge draw in this, which, if fixed, would basically be the end to this supposed exploit (although it's in the game, i know lots of people that do it or know about it, it's been that way for awhile, and I'm not sure if there's been any talk in other threads of whether it's a valid exploit or what). Bottom line: searching out and doing arenas can make you a lot of crowns, heat, materials, and the chance at items from boxes.... it's a little too much.
I really don't see why arenas were made in the first place to dish out large amounts of these things. If anything, the rewards should be BALANCED out with other clockwork levels so there's not much desparity. If this isn't changed, then CE becomes just another form of ME, meaning you can simply run through the clockworks nonstop using CE without even thinking about it, and OOO loses out on revenue because people are undervaluing their CE. When I started playing I accepted that I'd be using CE only for higher star crafts, and I was grateful that a free player could slowly earn it, but buying with cash was an option if you found you really liked the game, which I did. With the unbinding forge, also, all of a sudden people could buy their way to endgame with enough cash, which undervalues other players' sweat-equity.
In the meantime, I'm looking to arenas for the heat I need to really get somewhere with my gear, which I'd do even if they didn't give back so much in crowns that it's literally free, or profitable. Bottom line, again: needs balance.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 13:23
#17
So, because nobody has yet
So, because nobody has yet been banned for arena looping, you all assume that it's okay to go ahead and keep cheating?
Nice community...
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 13:35
#18
To me this just seems like:
To me this just seems like: you dont like doing what you deem "cheating", or are too lazy to bother setting up loops..yet you still want in on the action and are prepared to screw over some people you no doubt already know loop arenas from say your friends list for a bit of CE
nice
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 13:38
#19
Fox, OOO balanced Danger
Fox, OOO balanced Danger Rooms already. Now, they're worthless. 75% of the mobs in a danger room don't drop ANYTHING, no heat, no cr, no items. If OOO was to balance arenas the same way, no one would bother doing them at all. The reward has to = the risk, or people won't even bother.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 13:47
#20
flibbert shnat
that's hog wash i mean i could make a new account do something bad and then use my main account to ban myself and earn profit and then repeat repeat and repeat
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 13:50
#21
@ fox
cheating. present participle of cheat (Verb)
1. Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination:
By definition, arena looping would not be cheating because it is neither dishonest nor unfair.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 14:08
#22
http://forums.spiralknights.c
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/23890
Stop justifying your poor sport. And here i'm pasting an support response from Eurydice after i asked if people who loop levels will get the short end of the stick:
"Hi, Jooozek,
I want to thank you for taking the time to write about this. I understand
that it's frustrating to see threads like this on the forum and not be able to
see whether anything has been done about exploiters or not.
We do issue penalties on all actionable reports of bug exploitation. Due to
our policy of not publicizing these penalties, it may appear as though
exploiters are getting ignored. I assure you, though I can't go into detail,
that they're not.
A couple things help us greatly in tracking and acting on exploiters. One is
for players to report exploiters in-game right away, as the exploitation is
happening. The second is for players to report shady looking threads like
these via in-game support, as directed in the forum guidelines. That ensures
that the thread will get prompt attention from a GM at any hour.
We tend not to remove threads unless they list out in detail how to exploit
something. Instead, the GMs take action in-game where the exploiter in
question is sure to notice it, and where the action is logged in their support
records.
Best wishes,
Eurydice"
The threads i listed:
> http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/17370
> http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/19652
> http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/20356
> http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/22017
> http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/20558
> http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/16716
> http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/16459
> http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/16658
> http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/20327
> http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/22556
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 14:16
#23
Looping is considered an
Looping is considered an exploit, and exploits are a violation of the Terms of Service. When you violate the ToS, you run the risk of penalty.
The devs have been looking into ways of discouraging looping that would not also hose rule-abiding players. In the meantime, as with any exploit, you should refrain from using it, and report it when you see others taking advantage of it.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 14:16
#24
Oh, sniped by Jooozek.
Oh, sniped by Jooozek.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 14:27
#25
An exploit falls under the
An exploit falls under the same category as cheating; it's taking advantage of an unintended oversight for personal gain.
And actually, Danger Rooms ARE worth the risk. The reward is not in the crowns/heat that no longer drop frequently from the monsters, but from the fact that the rewards room afterwards has at least 8 red boxes, which means you have a good chance at getting a plethora of tokens.
@pooter: Actually, it would be dishonest because the players who do it know that it's a violation of the terms of service and don't care. I guarantee you there isn't one player who arena loops and DOESN'T know that it's wrong. And it is unfair because the Devs have specifically stated that it is not allowed, therefore doing it is breaking the rules.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 14:27
#26
Eurydice, I love you for this
Eurydice, I love you for this and everything you do. <3
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 14:29
#27
jooozek, thanks for linking
jooozek, thanks for linking to the thread where a GM said that looping is bannable, I was just going to go try to dig up that link.
Other stuff:
that's hog wash i mean i could make a new account do something bad and then use my main account to ban myself and earn profit and then repeat repeat and repeat
No, that wouln't work. OOO quite easily tracks accounts used by the same player for banning purposes, you would simple get both your alt account and your main account banned. In addition, your computer would be permanently tainted so that you could not create any new accounts, as will any other computer any of your banned accounts have used will be tainted.
Remember, bans are against the player, not against the knight or account.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 15:12
#28
Note: I do not loop arenas
I don't really understand why its regarded as an exploit, its just joining a friend xP.
Note: I do not loop arenas...
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 15:29
#29
Damn I am so tired of this
Damn I am so tired of this topic.
Just prohibit arena looping if it is such a big problem.
This topic was rised so many times, so if devs still didn't correct it, it means it is not that a big problem.
Personally i am fine with arena looping, not for crowns, but for heat and for fun. I can't loop more than 2-3 times anyways, you have to have steel brains to loop more than that, As for making crowns, there are a lot more ways to earn crowns, spending 1-2hours just to earn 5000 crowns is ridiculous.
PS: Reporting arena loopers would make game worse IMO, like a police system. Awakening suspicions among friends is bad.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 15:53
#30
The solution is simple, don't
The solution is simple, don't nerf arenas, just place a hard limit on how many times you can join the same party (I actually think there's already a limit on that, but I'm not certain). For example, say you start a run through the Clockworks. That creates an instance that you and everyone else who joins you are in. Have that instance marked somehow in the game code, and when a player goes solo, make sure they're marked with the same instance identifier. Then if they try to rejoin that same instance more than, say, three times, don't let them join. Granted, there would still be ways around that, but it would be more convoluted and difficult to exploit. That way you make life harder for people looping, but don't negatively impact the people playing normally.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 16:09
#31
I think the easiest way to
I think the easiest way to solve the looping problem would be to have a hidden value of the past floor(s) you have completed and make it so you can't get invited to those floors. You can enter these levels normally, but can't get invited to them. Levels in haven and in the coliseum don't count. (Note, "completed" means going either up or down on the elevator at the end of the level.) You could also have a "completed" flag silently trigger after certain events. If you leave after the completed bit has been set then the game assumes you've completed the floor you left and notes it. That way you can't skirt the system by leaving before you get to the elevator.
The only time I can see this being a problem is when the floors in question are the first few levels of a tier... Perhaps then you can silently log the activity and review it later to see if players are being invited legitimately or if they are exploiting the system. Besides, I don't think it's very profitable to loop the first few levels in a tier since the heat and crowns you get are rather low. But, someone could be looping for materials, so it's always a possibility.
Mo, 09/19/2011 - 16:12
#32
@bekjan: Not sure how much
@bekjan: Not sure how much clearer we can be about the fact that it is indeed prohibited by the ToS. That isn't up for debate, it's just a fact.
We understand that it's not ideal to be telling players, "Don't do this" instead of making it impossible to do. The difficulty is that it's not so simple. Slamming the door closed would hurt players who legitimately just want to play with their friends. So as I said above, while options are being considered, please do yourself the favor of obeying the Terms of Service.
Oh, nice. Rewarding the reporting people would be really nice. I'm all in for that idea!