Spiral Knights - Lockdown and Heart Pendants.

Lockdown and Heart Pendants.

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Sun, 11/27/2011 - 18:19

Orngeblu

The best trinkets for Lockdown are Heart Pendants. For people who can afford a lot of energy, and these Heart Pendants can get them easily. We have to get lucky from Love Puppies. I'm not here to complain but, it kind of unbalances Lockdown. I wanted to get some of these trinkets in the future, but I really don't know how I will. I'll have to get super lucky. I asked Kenny-Knight how he got his. He bought his for 30k CE. I can't spend 150$ for a Heart Pendant. D: (His gave 5 Health though) It takes up to 4-5 hits to kill them, unless you have a Gran Faust, and they don't have shadow defense.

Do you guys think Heart Pendants make Lockdown unbalanced? Discuss! :D

Sun, 11/27/2011 - 18:35

Oceanprince

It can be unfair, but saying

It can be unfair, but saying "X is not allowed" causes a LOT of trouble. It's arbitration.

Just because your rich and have a lot of health, doesn't mean you have full defense against ALL damage types. It's not possible (I think).

Sun, 11/27/2011 - 18:48

Orngeblu

I do good with Divine

I do good with Divine Avenger, but its slow sometimes, and I CANNOT beat some people with pierce weapons. They are too quick. I try to hit them from the side, or anticipate their movement and dodge/attack. It not easy to pull off against people who don't spam their BTB, FF, etc.

I can't way to get an FF. It has awesome range. Better than Leviathan Blade, and it has a leap forward which can help against runners.

The advantage to FF is Attack + Shield Cancel. You can just attack, and retreat immediatley. It makes it hard to keep up with them.

@SenorClean: Your right about the 2 Med Atk Bonus trinkets. I don't even think you need them really, because FF 2-hits strikers anyways. It would help against Guardians, though. :D

Sun, 11/27/2011 - 18:53

Tantarian

Yes

Yes, they are imbalanced because they are the best and impossible to get for most of the players. They can actually almost duplicate the amount of health you have as an striker.
Also a lot of people got them by exploiting.
OOO doesn't seem to care.

Sun, 11/27/2011 - 18:56

Lseraphim

Player 1 = normal

Player 1 = normal health
Player 2 = normal health + 10 extra health

Topic closed.

Sun, 11/27/2011 - 19:08

Glowing-Ember

lol

Complaining about lockdown balance.

Sun, 11/27/2011 - 19:37

Orangeo

+1 for glowing ember. I like

+1 for glowing ember. I like how OOO is cool with me pwning noobs in T1 with a heart pendant and full medium UV's. Sense=made.

Sun, 11/27/2011 - 20:05

Ampersand-Italic

i'm glad about the

i'm glad about the "imbalance" of such trinkets. i don't want things to be fair. i want things to be exciting.

Sun, 11/27/2011 - 20:15

Zxeroadvent

Har har....

hi ornge :D

anyway....

many things in LD are unbalanced, i just learned to deal with it. (though i do have mini rages here and there ;) )

Sun, 11/27/2011 - 21:03

Aljevoias

A person with heart trinkets

A person with heart trinkets will win a straight-up slugfest, but nobody who's any good actually fights like that.

If anything, I'd go with the sword trinkets. I use 'em too, but that doesn't make them any less powerful. Skolver striker can get max damage and max attack speed with no UVs at all, recon and guardian can get max one or the other.

I wouldn't say it's broken though. The pvp trinkets are by far the easiest 5 star trinkets to obtain in the entire game.

Sun, 11/27/2011 - 21:20

#10

Kilbride

Pendants...

I picked up my 2* heart trinkets months ago, before Lockdown was released. They definitely give me an edge in T2 Lockdown, but they'd be pretty irrelevant in T3. Mostly, I play as a guardian, running the lightning capacitor, a nightblade, magnus and sealed sword. (ASI med on the swords...) Rolling in fused demo, I'm pretty difficult to kill but I've found a few talented strikers that still give me a lot of trouble. One striker in particular, with a reputation for being very good, however, kept losing to my team. He cited the trinkets and verbally abused me for about an hour, trying to goad me into unequipping my trinkets. I didn't really want to lose my spot in the queue and wasn't going to give into his taunts, so I didn't.

Later that week, my trinket slots expired and I decided to run the T2 Lockdown without them. (Remember, I have decent UVs on my gear and it's all level ten...) Running without the trinkets actually made me more cautious and I played quite a bit better. I certainly wasn't as durable and died a little more often, but the difference wasn't huge. When I went back to playing with them, I was bulletproof.

I think if I were playing the standard Striker loadout, the trinkets would make an enormous difference. There is no disputing that they provide an edge, but they aren't game-breaking in T2. I can still lose if the other team works together well, or if my teammates aren't capturing points.

In fact, teamwork seems to be what really determines the outcome of games...

I would like to see another means for earning the heart trinkets. They went from being ridiculously common (due to the exploit) to being ultra rare.

Sun, 11/27/2011 - 22:08

#11

Orngeblu

Haha

Hi Zxero. Me too sometimes. x] Sometimes I am saying in my mind: "Oh that noob BTB spammer". I get over it, possibly rage Mist Energy revive if I have any left. @_@ Then I go back, possibly get owned again due to stupidity and NOT SAVING MY FRIGGEN STRIKER BOOSTER. *Facepalm*

But, anyways. I think its kind of imbalanced because they are so hard to get. The best way to get them is to buy energy.

@Kilbride: You are totally right. I forgot about this, but sometimes I "knew" we were going to lose because a pro was on the other team. Some how, my team pulled through. Its not all about having a skilled player on your team. Its also about teamwork. I put a lot of teamwork into my fighting sometimes. (Although, the "pro" probably had a few less skilled players on his/her team. :c)

Sun, 11/27/2011 - 22:20

#12

Tennis

Haha, yeah... It's just one

Haha, yeah... It's just one of those things that you put up with.
Raging or whining isn't gonna help, so why get your pants in a bunch anyway? ;D

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 01:09

#13

Eclecticmessiah

heart trinkets are very rare.

heart trinkets are very rare. you can have all the ce you want and you may not be able to find one. it would be more unfair to those that paid exorbitant amounts of money for theirs if they suddenly couldnt use them in LD. put yourself in their shoes.

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 02:08

#14

Shidara

Health trinkets

Maybe it's time for Love Puppies to be a bit more generous with their trinket drops. Finding a Love Puppy in the first place is already extremely lucky, but then having to rely on an excessive amount of luck again to get a trinket drop, which might just end up being 1* anyway, is a bit too much. Consindering that these things could be farmed in the past, it wouldn't be unfair to make the drop rates more generous.

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 05:08

#15

Forums-Trader

Valentines Day Update

King Krogmo has a heart!!

-Introduces the Heart Trinkets
-Bug fixes
-New Modes
-New maps

Heartbreak Mat - 300 Krogmo Coins (Breaks your heart gaining the coins ^_^)
Forged from the heart of an unloved soul. Also Makes a great Bloody Mary.

4* Spiral Heart Trinket +4HP

5* King's Heart Trinket +5HP

UVs are *suppose* to give you a slight edge, True Love Pendents will give you a +1 hp, slight edge, over a King's Heart.

OOO dedicated to competitiveness and fun

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 03:42

#16

Shidara

No...

That wouldn't work out very well.

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 04:31

#17

Forums-Trader

Your right!

What a bad idea... it would mean that heart pendents can no longer be sold for a boat load of ce (sans Love), more players can compete with the rich & lucky in pvp, and a possible increase in Krogmo Coin Booster sales.

What was I thinking...

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 06:55

#18

Spiral-Wiki

That really wouldnt work

That really wouldnt work well. That would crash the value of heart trinkets and enrage the long time players who have them. Im not one of the people with these trinkets (the ultra expensive ones anyway), but making them that easily obtainable would ruin their value too quickly. OOO should deflate their value, but try to keep everyone happy, not just the people who cant afford them. A simpler solution would just be to increase the drop rate from love puppies, which would bring more pendents into the game, and slowly drop the price. Although I heard a rumour that heart pendents are now bound when obtained. Can anyone clerify if this is correct?

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 09:03

#19

Shidara

@Spiral-Wiki

I agree to having the drop rate increased a bit, so that they're actually obtainable. (I know they're obtainable, duh, but that's not what I mean.) The majority of players who own these trinkets have farmed them during an exploit, others bought them from said farmers, and a minority have obtained them as a legitimate one time-encounter drop.
Regarding auto-binding of trinkets upon drop, I have heard rumours about it, however, they can still be unbound and sold as these are star-ranked items.

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 11:12

#20

Culture

Yeah

+1 What Shidara said.

I've been playing for 8 months now and have seen around 10 Love Puppies (two where just this past week!) Not one has dropped a Heart Trinket. I'd like some for use outside of Lockdown when I don't need Elite trinkets for my particular loadout.

I'm not sure why these trinkets are still any rarer than Krogmo's. Back when the best trinkets were the one that Brinks sold that didn't even work, they were OP by comparison. But now +5 HP vs Sword CTR Medium is a valid trade-off at least in T3 PvE.

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 11:19

#21

Trying

I'm guessing OOO will be

I'm guessing OOO will be putting some heart pendents up in the featured auctions when they get that up so that should increase the supply at bit

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 11:40

#22

Orngeblu

...

@Tennis: I am not raging an whining. This is just a discussion.

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 11:58

#23

Shidara

@Trying

That's just another way of feeding the rich. I'd like for any random regular player to be able to suddenly strike one, not for end-game players to absorb more wealth than they can already handle.

Mon, 11/28/2011 - 12:29

#24

Batabii

there's already a thread

there's already a thread about this

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/33414

Tue, 11/29/2011 - 20:53

#25

Zxeroadvent

The only real problem i see

The only real problem i see however....

is that sometimes my team (ill admit, i do very rarely) forgets you get points by taking bases, not killing. and at the end of the game, the player with the least damage gets cursed out. but they actually Caped more bases than anyone (most of the time that ive played LD)

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