Spiral Knights - New sealed sword variant...

New sealed sword variant...

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Mon, 02/06/2012 - 14:43

Azathor

So my ign is Azathor, me and some members of my guild and probably everyone thought that the sealed sword had a cool charge effect/power,
so i thought: hey why not make a 3-5* verision for it with maybe the ''main elements'' in the blade: fire,frost and shock like theyr emblems
(the ones that can be seen on the pilars at gates/elevators in the arcade.

How about that? well let's make alot of noise so the develepors hear us because i think this whuld be really cool.

Basic idea: well you gamers can ofcourse give advice and ideas to me for improvement.
and ye heres MY ideas: like i said the blade (not the glowing part (they may glow to tho) shuld have the emblems of the
primary elements fire,frost and shock the others shuld just be colours on the side maybe the 4*one can be
like the old sealed sword look or not maybe just the glowing emblems (however im not the best designer but im creative tho)
so you can come with ideas.

Well that's all i will try to answer as many questions as possible when i can i have to play sk to u know :D

-Azathor

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 14:45

Iknorite

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I agree slightly, I think the Sealed sword charge is unique and I'd enjoy possibly a 5* of it, but the status being random is like symbolizing that it could be evil or good (GF and DA) I'm not sure if your saying make an elemental dmg sword line with status, but if thats there it might cause problems with the brandish line.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 14:46

Aemicus

Would it have the same chance

Would it have the same chance to cause all of those statuses at the 4 and 5* versions? And what strength would they be at?

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 14:55

Azathor

@lknorite @Aemicus

@lknorite

yes your right about that but i whuld like to have sugestions frome you i whuld like it to deal maybe both shadow and elemental(mayeb that's to much)
but ye if not that then nust elemental it's more elements than curse after all.

@Aemicus

i think that at sealed sword it's low chance and 4* whuld be medium and 5* hight and as of damage it whuld increase the same way:low,medium,high.

EDIT: and the AOE of the attack whuld increase a little bit at 4* and more at 5* hopefully this goes thru i have a sealed sword to craft :D

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 15:08

Aemicus

Don't you think the high

Don't you think the high chance to cause any status at strong strength is a bit op?

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 15:11

Fehzor

I think it should just call

I think it should just call all or nothing. So that you randomly deal shock, stun, fire, freeze, sleep, curse, poison, everything. But all at once. Just have it at a 1/100 chance.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 18:58

Hexzyle

Freeze and Fire cancel

Freeze and Fire cancel eachother out, so that wouldnt work. Plus I'm pretty sure you can only be afflicted with 3 status effects at any one time.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 19:18

Gpyro

@Hexzyle

You can have 4 stauses at once.Ex: Curse,fire/freze, shock,poison.

Mon, 02/06/2012 - 19:26

Orangeo

Not of the sealed sword, the

Not of the sealed sword, the sealed sword is supposed to be one of those good/evil clashing things. They're in movies I guess. I'd like heavy swords with statuses, but as troika extensions, simmilar to the radish line. On a side note, buff the troika.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 09:25

Azathor

answers...

well the high chance of effects to work will be kinda op but it's still only on charge up, every time the chance for whichever element is choosed the element will always work and range is incread of the aoe by 4* and more at 5* and maybe charge time decreses to frome 4*-5* to conpensate wich whuld make it innefective but it whuld still work fairly well.

as ssomeone allready mentioned all at once is smpossible and may even crash the game it will just keep the pettern of avenger but bigger:AOE effect, and chance ro it to work since of let's say fire appears on the ground even if the enemy is hit or within the aoe area the enemy does still not allways get affected by it, so increasing those chanese whuld have been good

well the good and evil thing WAS a smart ide but how about let's say in a movie when the new force strikes in attacking both good and evil with all the elements there is available just like this one and maybe they can add a fitting armor (divine ''magick'' cloak fits the divine avanger and the chaos ''magick'' cloak fits the faust... well kinda atleast) so then maybe the fitting armor for this one could be... well elemental? no maybe an upgraded elemental one (i just got a sick design for it in my head... well if i knew how to post pictures here i whuld defenately do it) maybe keeping the ''millitary'' theme colours but just adding shulder pads with glowing emblems of elements (and other parts) i whuld like that alot and maybe replace the cresent moon on the side with an emblem to well that's just my idea.

this may be hard to read because of spellig errors, im swedish and my keyboard is crappy so that's why.
well i hope that's all you need im of to play some SK now :D cya!

-Azathor

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 10:33

#10

Aureate

Uh.

@Orangeo: Radish line. Inflicting delicious, delicious pain, amirite?

@OP: Your posts are a bit hard to understand, to be honest... I really didn't get what you were saying in the last post at all.

A sword that inflicts multiple statuses isn't a good idea. There are some monsters which benefit from statuses (Oilers come to mind immediately). Using a multi-status sword on these would be liable to get you killed.

inb4 Sealed Sword already inflicts all statuses: Yes, but not all of them all at once, and the charge is not commonly used, nor is it meant as an especially attractive feature of the sword.

As has already been pointed out, fire and freeze cannot be simultaneously inflicted. So having both of them as status options on a sword, at the same time, is a bit pointless.

There is already a Grey Feather Cloak, which is almost exactly as you have described with glowy jewels. I suspect that having excessive glowy colours on any weapon or armour would probably look a bit tacky. A rainbow sword isn't really my idea of badass.
The Chaos Cowl and Divine Veil are not really related to the DA and GF weapons. Chaos doesn't have any shadow resistance that would be expected to be found on something 'evil' (such as Armor of the Fallen and the Skelly line).

When you say 'like Avenger': the Avenger has one projectile that does a great deal of damage and knockback. Not an AoE status ability.

I personally do not see the need for a rainbow sword.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 11:34

#11

Thimol

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If we're going to do this, I'd like one of two options:

1) An upgrade with a stronger normal combo attack with the same charge attack as the original sealed sword.
2) Same as above, except the second swing has a "fair" change of inflicting a random status effect, and the charge attack has a very high chance of inflicting a random status effect, while having a chance to inflict the same status effect to the user.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 18:26

#12

Aemicus

@Aureate Rainbow swords are

@Aureate

Ranbow swords are completely badass. If I could color my voltedge that way, I would.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 15:16

#13

Aemicus

@AureateRainbow swords are

Double post, sorry.

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 14:44

#14

Azathor

more answers!!!

@aureate well pointing out the small things are we. like thimol said (what u said was a really good idea maybe a colored one as the second slash)
well... what thimol said fixes the problem and by colour a reinbow sword may be to much aemicus im sorry maybe just the old sealed sword look on it as 4* and a similar glow around it as the gran faust and divine avenger has but a more awsome desigs i allready know one :D it's kinda rainbowish only fier and frost or just a cool dark green one i have the design in my head damn that's awsome :D

and like i said a swedish with a broken keyboard is not the best speller or whatever you are calling it.

anyway if and OOO developer or SEGA developer reads this plz respond with a good message you may have a hard time to read this but do your best atealst.

-Azathor

Tue, 02/07/2012 - 17:38

#15

Orangeo

"Radish line. Inflicting

"Radish line. Inflicting delicious, delicious pain, amirite?"
OOPS. Brandish*.
But seriously, I don't like the idea of a rainbow sword. It negates the whole point of prepairing. Granted it's not as bad as a random-status haze bomb, it just dosen't really make sense as a five-star.
Think of it the other way around; wouldn't a completely random teir suck? If it can deal any of the statuses, then a single-status armor would only have a one out of six chance of being able to defend against it. The statuses being restricted to the charge does limit that, but it's still a valuable point.
I'd reeealy like a buffed fire troika though, named after some large volcano.

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 04:16

#16

Aureate

@Azathor

You're missing the point ;o;

The most important difficulty is NOT the aesthetic design, which you seem to be focused on. It's the fact that you have a completely random chance of statuses on a sword.

With Sealed you can get away with it. The main attraction of the blade is the potential for its upgrades, not the charge. While I admit that we could do with more status swords, having a mad gamble sword doesn't really appeal to me, especially if it inflicts statuses back upon the wielder as well. If you're in a status-themed level, you try to ensure that your equipment doesn't inflict that particular status because it's quite easy to be at a disadvantage. At best you're wasting part of your status inflicting ability. At worst you've got a firestorm, or a Quicksilver shocking your face and healing.

I would personally rather have a sword that reliably inflicts ONE status, and one status only.
Your multi-status potential sounds like a cool idea, but it's not realistically all that useful.

@Orangeo: Totally off-topic, but Fire!Troika sounds like a cool idea, actually. (Pompeii anyone?)

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 13:26

#17

Orangeo

I like the Pompeii name.

I like the Pompeii name. Mauna Loa didn't sound cool...

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 14:00

#18

Heimdallr

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How about "Yellowstone"?

Wed, 02/08/2012 - 14:06

#19

Orangeo

That is too obvious. Did you

That is too obvious. Did you just google that? Everyone knows that yellowstone is a real word.

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 09:58

#20

Azathor

changing the subject?

Are we changing the subject to a fire troika? well... sure that sounds cool and maybe this idea was stupid i just thought it was cool maybe it's not effective and maybe it's just a BIG gamble but i like the sealed swords effect and all of that.

and yes the fier big sword thingy dont you think that yellowstone is a stupid name.
example: i just boight a yellowstone and it's very good in pvp, hey! guild the pompei is awsome against construct!
se what i mean... it's like naming a rocketlauncher NASA just makes no sense.
im not trolling the idea the idea of a fire weapon in troika style is awsome and i really like it :D

-Azathor

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 10:12

#21

Diamondshreddie

You know

i think this is a great idea! im a bomber who owns no swords really, but i tried a sealed, and i thoroughlly enjoyed just charging up the attack, ad seeing which status would come out! i like this idea, ad seeing as its completely random and could either bless or condemn you (even in LD) its all the luck of the draw ! although i think it should have a rather slow and exposing charge attack, due to its variable output

Thu, 02/09/2012 - 10:27

#22

Aureate

@Azathor

To be honest, it's the random effect that worries me with regards to this.
With heavy swords, I often find myself having to play defensively, shield cancelling after the first strike (which would be wasting the status infliction). With an Avenger it's not a problem, since it deals pure damage, but with a Faust (probably the closest thing to the weapon you're describing) I am often forced to lose the secondary strike and ability to curse, because much of the time finishing off the combo would leave me wide open.

Whilst the charge status infliction could be used, self-infliction isn't all that favourable since most people don't have high status resistance for every possible status. With FoV, where the main attraction is the charge, you can wear full Vog Cub in order to gain maximal fire resistance and minimize damage from the charge, and the same can happen if you're wielding a Gran Faust.

One idea I can think of that would help this sword concept considerably would be to partially remove something of the random component. I'm not saying to lose half the status effects, just to give it a visual indicator of what kind of status the next charge use or second swipe would inflict. A coloured aura around the sword would probably work, if you want an example, with the colours corresponding to the next status to be available.

I apologise if I was coming across as being a joykiller in the first post I made, and I probably should have been a bit more specific really...

Also, Pompeii was just the first volcano name I could think of without sounding silly. There are probably better-sounding ones out there, tbh :P

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 08:53

#23

Azathor

@aureate

i don't mean to be rude but stop complaning at that it may be bad and may be good that's a gamble if the developers diden't like the idea the they whuld never have added the sealed sword frome the beginning.

yes like someone else said the second strike will inflict the effect wich makes it very effective tho the chance of the second strike inflicting whuld be medium and the chance for it to inflict on charge whuld be very high or maximum and a bigger radius like a bomb, and the indicator colour is a good idea maybe (if the developers have the time and patience) the colour and shape of the glow will change cepending on the next element and if the elemend did not inflict on second hit or charge it will still change but just the first hit in the combo (wich does not inflict) won't change it.

-Azathor

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 09:12

#24

Spyash

uhh....

doesn't that make it elemental still if any thing maybe the glow thing represents something so for DA it represents good GF represents evil and this could be chaos. the glow is shattered and theres spikes sticking out or something.

Fri, 02/10/2012 - 12:29

#25

Triplescrew

Suggested many times before...Check ma version

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/34270
read plz (Art inside)

Sat, 02/11/2012 - 16:01

#26

Azathor

nice art ;D

that art is good i like it... so have seriusly anyone ever got a response to this kind of thread?
i just want to know it's easyer to find out if we work togeather.

-Azathor

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