Ive noticed that some prestige missions, Require that you turn in a 5* weapon for so-called research??
I mean WTF???- Now My birzzbrand is gone, I have to make another.. (RAGE * HOLDING FIST!!)
Ive noticed that some prestige missions, Require that you turn in a 5* weapon for so-called research??
I mean WTF???- Now My birzzbrand is gone, I have to make another.. (RAGE * HOLDING FIST!!)
@Fehzor That's probably one of the best comments I've seen in a long time. /applaud
@Hikaru-San I just choose not to do those, especially when it asked for my Final Flourish. I mean, those knights can get along fine without my Final Flourish (ASI Med and Med Dmg Bonus to Fiends). They're getting enough gear as it is.
Also, if you don't do those particular missions than you can still do well. I haven't done that one mostly, and I have roughly 9000 prestige.
Yeah. Unless you can afford to craft a new 5* on short notice, dont do them, its not like you're gonna lose a contest since they have no sedimental value so far.
I started late, and i still have about 6-7k prestige. Don't make a big deal of it.
*cough CE sink cough* :D
But really, since you will get a new prestige mission everyday whether you have done older ones or not, I wouldn't even give a 2* weapon if I didn't have an extra I didn't need.
Why did you press the mission start button?
Find a mirror and rage at yourself.
I really don't get why people are doing prestige missions... Someone may enlightens me what's the point?!
There is only one time you should do the 5* prestige missions, and I've been in this situation before...
You have 2+ of the 5* gear being requested. One of them has no UV or a crappy UV. So you never use it. The other has an awesome UV and use it all the time, hence having more than one of a 5* item. You can't sell/give it to someone else because no one in their right mind would pay over 4k CE for the item. You also have plenty of crowns so don't need 30k CR from vendoring the item.
What's left? Trade it for prestige. It isn't like you'd miss it anyhow.
My point is REGARDLESS~
Why is OOO / Sega forcing you to use real money?
Not unless you grind for crowns, Which takes forever.
And with that said has anyone noticed that all recipes from the hall of hero's, are now bound?
LIKE WTF??? , More ways to spend more CE to unbind and use the Item freely.
Not to mention that those that do use real money , Would be Idiotic enough to purchase Ce and get a free Wing accessory,, Whoope-Doo..
Does it add stats to your amour? - Health Bonus? - Attack speed? Or anything at all?-
thought so~
( * THROWS LAPTOP ACROSS THE ROOM*!)
God forbid a company makes profit and pays its employees at the same time.
Crafting using bound recipes do not bind your crafted item. Crafting using bound items, already bound, will result in a bound crafted item.
You know what. Lets just put OOO to work for Hikaru and be done with it.
Slave away!
Hikaru, you're kind of late to the rage threads. It's all be said, and like people pointed out, you can safely skip those prestige missions since they don't give anything at this point.
Also, why are you insulting people who are buying the wings package? :|
"Why is OOO / Sega forcing you to use real money?"
Did they send some thugs at your house? Do they have your family as hostage in a secret bunker?
If not, stop overreacting.
"Why do i have to give Up my crafted weapons for prestige????"
Why do you give your weapon for prestige that for now dont do anything? thats the question you should do yourself. instead asking about why give weapons for prestige.
"Ive noticed that some prestige missions, Require that you turn in a 5* weapon for so-called research??"
uhmm as far i know those mission are optional, having a lot of prestige (For now) dont make any difference in the game. of course unless you want to have high prestige than any other player just to tease them but, besides that, prestige dont have a use now. i didnt care about prestige mission i just did rank missions to get Hall of Heroes 5 stars and vanaduke mission. so this was your fault. you have the choice to do or not the prestige, you have to see if really worth to give your weapon or no, you choice it to give it. then its your Fault no OOO.
"Why is OOO / Sega forcing you to use real money?"
well i dont think Sega is forcing you to use real money its optional its like "just a quick shortcut" to get 5 star gear or everything you want, you absolutely can get everything for free, even steam games for free (if you use steam) with just crafting some stuff, have patience enough and wait for a Good UV that will give you from 3500 Ce to 20,000 Ce. but i guess youre not that kind of person who have patience. now, talking about the expansion... well unless you have steam you can still get it for free.
Also i hope you know this isnt a game who a guy is running a server on his own computer, Because here, the money is used to paid their employers, their maintenance, their servers. So why they would run the game for free?. ok? now thats (besides other reason) the reason they need the money TO KEEP RUNNING the game.
"Not to mention that those that do use real money , Would be Idiotic enough to purchase Ce and get a free Wing accessory,, "
Why idiotic? i dont get that point. thanks for some players that paid for them F2P will have a chance to get them if they are good enought to make money. i have meet people who get everything they have just for free, Why you not? if you not have patience enough then i will say you going to have a Hard time on this game because: or you buy energy with money to have a shortcut, or you are enough patient to get everything. there not a third choice.
Also Thanks for P2P players the game still Running, thanks to them people F2p can play without Paid a single penny, Thanks TO THEM OOO still can support this game for more time, i dont get why theyre "idiotic" and you know what? i feel good to support OOO with some purchase when they come out with promotions like these. sadly you cant see that P2P do that for people like you.
Sorry if sounds harsh :/ but here its was your OWN fault, the missions have their description, what you need to do or what you need to give. when you CLICKED on start you was aware about what you going to do in that mission.
OOO is sort of forcing you to use real money for the expansion missions, and by extent, the weapons you can ONLY get from them X(
"Nintendo is sort of forcing you to use real money for their game systems, and by extent, the games you can ONLY get from them X("
To force someone would be against their will; until Apollo breaks down my door and Nick and Cephalopod make me type in my card, there is no forcing. [though it may feel like it with energy].
>have to
You don't have to.
Prestige is useless.
Stop wasting your money.
@ everyone who supports OP
Its not forcing, its more like "you can"
as in "you can buy the expansion, but whats the point if you are only going to play it once" or "you can play MMORPG's, but what's the point of continuing if you are just going to complain about every little optional thing."
I do them just because I like having more prestige than everyone else. Not really sure why anyone else does them, though, and I may stop anyway now that I can say I turned in a friggin Nitronome for 300 prestige.
000 Isn't forcing you to do anything. You clicked the button. If you don't like it, don't do it, especially since there's really no point in prestige at the moment.
Whoa, so much hostility towards OP, like always when someone dares to say something in this game is badly designed. Again.
OOO may not be forcing us, but it is indeed teasing by saying there will be rewards with people with "X amount" of prestige. So, if tomorrow decided to give all players with 10k prestige a prize as some people should have by doing all the daily missions, and it was an exclusive event weapon, would you not rage? You would, I am sure of it 100% that most of you would. Inb4 typical "i wouldn't care" person.
The truth is that what was a supposed materials/crown sink has turned again into an energy sink, and the only excuse that makes Supply Depot exist. "Oh, I have a mission which requires a 5* and I don't possibly can put 2 hours into the game today even if I do have the CE required to make it... so I will just buy it from Supply Depot. There, I am so happy to spend double the amount of CE, haha." But hey, Expansion Missions were supposed to be bought with energy, so I suppose I should shut up.
Also, lore wise: Why would training troops require 5* weapons from us? I can understand materials and minerals for research, supply packs for troops... but a 5* weapons for green troops who get captured every time? Is Spiral HQ intelligent? ...Because that doesn't seem so at all. Why not just change the missions to a 3* max requirement? This way we could think that we are giving it to soldiers below tier 3, which would be what in Mission Mode the "tutorial" seems to end, even if when tier 3 missions give us a ride again to see the changes in mobs.
The worst part is that Three Rings IS conscious of it and INCREASED the rewards for the missions with weapons as a requirement, so OOO indeed favors this and most likely won't do anything. Which means our rage is ignored 120%.
I am not attacking anyone with this, so please, be critical but don't attack. OP also didn't, and as much as we all hate raging he/she wasn't attacking anyone, and I don't think he/she is overreacting, he/she is giving a honest opinion about what he/she thinks is an unfair feature. And yes, not everyone was attacking OP, please don't overreact too, just chill. And yeah, @OP, we indeed have more topics with this going on. I support what you say, but please keep the forum cleaner if possible another time, as we are getting flooded these days with many rage topics lately. Which is a natural reaction, but still...
Unfair for the company that has said prestige will be worth something down the line, to announce a reward for having prestige. It wouldn't be logical to have rage when they finally do say, "Prestige points can be spent on pet greavers and devilite servants, 30k starting price", because:
-there is supposed to be something for the points
-Anyone can get more
Now if you're saying they take a snapshot and only reward people with that X prestige point, and then never give any reward. Well, that defeats the purpose of new players, doesn't it?
"Ive noticed that some prestige missions, Require that you turn in a 5* weapon for so-called research??
I mean WTF???- Now My birzzbrand is gone, I have to make another.. (RAGE * HOLDING FIST!!)"
"Why is OOO / Sega forcing you to use real money?
Not unless you grind for crowns, Which takes forever.
And with that said has anyone noticed that all recipes from the hall of hero's, are now bound?
LIKE WTF??? , More ways to spend more CE to unbind and use the Item freely.
Not to mention that those that do use real money , Would be Idiotic enough to purchase Ce and get a free Wing accessory,, Whoope-Doo..
Does it add stats to your amour? - Health Bonus? - Attack speed? Or anything at all?-
thought so~
( * THROWS LAPTOP ACROSS THE ROOM*!)"
"I don't think he/she is overreacting, he/she is giving a honest opinion about what he/she thinks is an unfair feature."
I disagree, and even so, we are giving our opinion of their original opinion. Mostly harping on how optional this 'feature', missions, and games are.
"So, if tomorrow decided to give all players with 10k prestige a prize as some people should have by doing all the daily missions, and it was an exclusive event weapon, would you not rage? You would, I am sure of it 100% that most of you would. Inb4 typical "i wouldn't care" person."
-It would annoy me for sure, just like missing out on wings annoyed me. However, I understand that I may be missing out on things by not completing every prestige mission. If you want to be sure you won't miss out on anything like what you just described, then you have to be willing to do what's necessary.
@Everyone
Do you want to make sure you get all the prestige just in case of a prestige event? Or is it not worth it to you? This is a decision you have to make. Maybe OOO is "teasing," but if you can't resist then you must realize it is your decision whether or not to buy that item and do that mission. OOO is not "forcing" anything, you are not going to be set behind or anything, you'll just be missing something. You're either okay with that, or you're not.
If prestige items turn out to be cosmetic things like costumes, I personally would be fine with missing those. If they turn out to be things like uber-powered items, that's just bad, and I'll have issues with that. Before anyone screams it's the apocalypse, though, we'll just have to wait and see.
would be nice if it asked for the stuff we got from early missions haha (like the spare calibur sitting in my inventory)
or would be nice if it asked for a cold iron carver haha the damn thing is sitting in my inventory like for ever now collecting undead dust :D
Where do i sign up to receive the welfare weapon handouts of this program.
Thinking about it, these knights in trouble must have to fill in some forms to ask for these weapons.
seems like a good deal to me, sit around and wait for a good weapon to be handed to me,
then go level diving.
Hikaru-San said:
( * THROWS LAPTOP ACROSS THE ROOM*!)
Aumir said:
"I don't think he/she is overreacting"
Aumir, thank gods I don't work with you in the same office ;-) we definitely have a different definition of overreacting.
Back to topic:
I haven't done a single prestige mission so far because there's really no point. You don't get ANYTHING from doing them.
If one day in the future a reward system will be introduced I may consider doing it but so far thank you very much.
What if rewards will be some useless swordsmen oriented stuff? What if it will be something with a colour theme I find unpleasant and not fitting my style (like shadow/volcanic)? What if this will be another bunch of crests which produce some awkward clipping with my demo suits and can't be attached to my ponchos? Too many "ifs" IMO.
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SUGGESTION 1
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Maybe they should make the item icons like 5 times bigger, its a rather big area to show a tiny icon...
yea, the icons are not utilizing the space allocated to them.
The start button is big, so the item icons should be bigger too.
draw some new icons that is at least 4 times the size
Show a bigger icon and name, and if it has equipments , they should highlight its row in yellow
if you have more then one copy of the item in your inventory,
An intermediate warning window could pop up after pressing start to allow you to choose which one you bear to part with,
along with all attached accessories and UVs
add another layer of warning window after pressing start for donating weapons, that says something like
ARE YOU REALLY GONNA GIVE US THIS TREASURE?
Display a big googly eyed knight in specs.
then display the HUGE icon, name, accessories and UVs before the yes/no button
Please note that there should not be an option to "not display these warnings in future"
The amount of prestige given could also do well to have 1 or 2 more zeros added to the back.
Followed by a game wide announcement like
"ALL HAIL XXXX FOR GENEROUSLY SUPPORTING THE FALLEN KNIGHTS REHAB PROGRAM"
(instant gratification is very empowering to gamers)
as well as a 24hr 1.5x heat and gold bonus, stackable with the heat bonus item(amounting to a 3x heat)
(actual gratification)
We could bring it even further by playing an announcement to all party members whenever that player joins the party.
Something like:
"THE GRAND PHILANTHROPIST (of the day) XXXX GRACES YOUR PITIFUL PARTY WITH HIS NOBLE PRESENCE"
Party members could gain a 1.25 heat and gold bonus, again stackable with the heat bonus item.
This party bonus will not be extended to another philanthropist nor is it stakable with another philanthropist's party bonus.
(make the obnoxious tolerable)
IT would be even better if you could also give THE GRAND PHILANTHROPIST (of the day) a colored aura with colored ethereal wings, that fade in and out of visibility.
(tier 3 could have 6 golden/prismatic wings)
(tier 2 could have 4 white wings)
(tier 1 could have 2 grey wings)
These auras could be circles that raise from the floor upwards slowly fading out, to be distinct from accessories.
The wingspan of the wings have be the height of 2.5 knights, end to end, to be distinct and extend the wing accessories.
(CONSTANT GRATIFICATION!!!!!!)
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SUGGESTION 2
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If possible, assign an area of haven with a huge leader board that displays the global prestige point of every player.
The leaders should not have any rewards as it is impossible to dethrone top contributors. this is only for bragging rights
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SUGGESTION 3 VERY IMPORTANT!!!!!
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But lastly, Philanthropist like to see their contributions actually making a difference to their target charity.
I also suggest a Level, or a mission, that evolves with the contribution points of the last month.
The scenario of the level could be a skirmish level,
Like a big battle between hundreds of gremlins and hundreds of NPC knights.
I was going to also suggest storm the camp(castle, village, etc) but that would be too similar to the expansion lvl.
So the level is a battle and you just happen to arrive in time for the start of the battle.
Some one else suggested a clockworks lockdown, i really like that idea, and that could come here.
If not, then the level would just be a big square patch of land with some terrain details.
A chess board themed land would be cool too, like in Through the looking glass.
The gate to the next level would only unlock when one side is defeated.
The amount of contributions from the past month would decide the amount of NPC knights holding those contribution weapons.
if the public has been miserly, then there would be more NPC knights fighting in proto gear.
The NPC Knights should also be constantly saying things every time they kill/or be killed by a gremlin
Either
Very pompous and overtly thankful words of praises to their kind, generous, almost gods of a benefactor
or
Very tragic, dramatic, and Shakespearean woeful wails and goodbyes to the cruel world and how they would have survived if their gear had been better.
It would be best to also mention how they long to see their dearly beloved or their aged mothers again.
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I am writing this because OP is raging over lost birzzbrand (SIC, i am crediting the OP for spelling error, but in actual fact i have no idea how to spell this nor do i have any idea what this is, i gun and run). Also i thought that it should be a really huge deal to be giving fully leveled weapons.
Please excuse the horrible structure of my post. School assignments are drowning me.
I like this idea so much , i am gonna create another post in the suggestions forum, see you guys there.
I suggest next time to double, triple check when they're asking a weapon.
Nuff said
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/47804
Supports please =p
But Hikaru...
Just think of those poor knights, held captive by gremlins, their arsenal's taken away from them... Doesn't that make you sad?