Spiral Knights - Spectator Mode Problems

Spectator Mode Problems

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Thu, 09/20/2012 - 15:53

Bacon-Strip

At first glance, spectating was one of the best lockdown updates the game has ever seen. It added a new way for players to train without having to run blindly in a game and die every two seconds.

Unfortunately, there are a few fatal flaws with the spectator system that hopefully we're not alone in noticing.

1. Lag. The added lag is very noticeable, especially to those of us with 2-3 bar connections. This especially applies to guild matches where up to 30+ spectators watch, and everything lags, typically resulting in short 1-2 second bursts where we watch our opponents fly off the screen - and then we load back dead. I haven't played a GVG in a few days where the connection doesn't drop down to two bars, neither has most of my guild team, for we are primarily west coast. (Usually always at 3.)

2. Spying. So many guild matches are now tainted with enemy guild members that are using dual monitors, or tells/vent/guild chat to bark out orders to their team or watch the enemy team the entire match.

The ability to spy in realtime has made obsolete any form of surprise or strategy, and practically nullifies any class that is not as fast as striker. Every bomber/guardian/recon now has their position and their exact bomb loadouts called out the moment they leave the spawn. Against a team spying with dual monitors or clients, these players get destroyed in seconds. Strategy and a plan is no longer needed; only guildmates or another monitor that can conveniently tell you exactly what is going on at anytime.

Other competitive team games like League of Legends have a delay in their replays for exactly this reason. Spiral Knights needs to offer for the same for Guild Matches, as GvG is already now giving huge advantages to people who spy and dual monitor / client - things we hope OOO will agree are not in the spirit of Lockdown.

The Solution:

Please add a delay to the Lockdown stream - anywhere from 1-3 Minutes. This will instantly fix the issue of guilds spying, and should also address the lag problems appearing for the competitors when 30 people watch their match in realtime.

Yes, this would prevent spectators from cheering at the end (at least in Guild Matches), but the problems it fixes are far worthwhile. Thanks for your consideration and hopefully we'll see these changes made soon. Please post your support if you feel the same!

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 19:08

Rangerwillx

+1
I've seen an increase in lag (though minor, but probably only for me since I lagged majorly before this anyway).

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 19:21

Rommil

I dont really play lockdown, but some of my friends do. And tells me that the spying makes bombers even weaker than they already are. Hope OOO addresses this.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 20:15

Il-Mono-Il

Dual monitor/client and spyes to the HELL!!!
This NEED to be fixed.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 20:17

Flowchart

I've noticed the opposite. I lag all the time when playing LD but never when spectating.

Thu, 09/20/2012 - 22:03

Nottheanswer

@Flowchart: I think Bacon-Strip means spectators cause lag while he's playing.

+1 to a delay of some sort. Maybe then we can spectate Recons too?

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 01:59

Pi-Ano

@bacon - about spying

The lag came from spectating is an issue; however,

1) Do you have proof that other people are spying and leaking information?
2) Can you prove the Jem isnt spying as well?
3) Is using a training guild to get rank points meaningful and a legit way to get to the #1 spot, even tho you guys aren't the #1 pvp guild?

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 05:25

Thrillhaus

Interesting.

I wasn't aware that The Jempire were so vehemently opposed to abusing less than ideally thought out game mechanics to their advantage.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 05:43

Midnight-Violet

Sigh

Sadly I knew people would be unfair if people were to be able watch matches.....

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 05:45

Bloodxorange

I do agree with what bacon is

I do agree with what bacon is saying, but I also find it odd that you of all people are getting mad at people not playing fair when The Jempire cheats to get to #1 every week by boosting with an alt guild. The screen above can prove that your alt guild isnt used for training as you clearly put alts in while your mains were in another game.

At the time of this post, Minions of Jempire is currently number 4 on the GLD Leaderboard with 17k pts Jempire has 32k. If you DIDNT boost you guy wouldnt even been in the top 5.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:00

#10

Canozo

Lag is honestly not a problem for me, and I live outside United States, with a 512kbps internet.

Spying might be a problem.

No coments on "boosting" or whatever is going on.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 06:06

#11

Thrillhaus

Addendum

Also, please post your suggestion in the appropriate forum Bacon. I understand and can empathize that opponents who make a mockery of less than ideal game mechanics can be very frustrating. However, we all have our own ideas for a fair and equitable lockdown metagame, and there is no reason why yours should receive more attention through placement in the incorrect sub-forum.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 07:20

#12

Trying

Quit whining about alt guilds. I bet your guild doesn't even have enough people online willing to even do an alt guild match.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 07:35

#13

Bacon-Strip

@Pi-Ano 1. If you ever

@Pi-Ano 1. If you ever spectate a heated guild match, you can usually find people fail chatting orders to their team. This was the case a few nights ago, Kognito fail chatted directions into spectator (was meant for guild). (Pretty sure one of our guildies has the screenshot, I'll ask for it when they get on.)
2. I'm in Jempire. Even if I proved we weren't spying, which I have no idea how to, other than the fact you never see our spectators trying to communicate with the guild, no one would believe me. To everyone else, my thoughts are too biased.
3. Wouldn't a boosting guild not even show on the leaderboards? If we wanted to, we could keep a game going all day where the minions got absolutely no points. But we don't. Care to explain?

@Thrill This was never an attack on your guild, so I don't see why you chose to attack mine. Congratulations, you got a screenshot where two of our members AFK/DCed out of the match. Wow. Maybe I should screenshot EVERY SINGLE match to show how minions actually works. I have a few here, but they are scarce, I usually only screen when I get good damage or something of the sort.
http://imgur.com/a/fPfTN
Perhaps you watched the 5-10 minions matches last night? Minions won AT LEAST 60% of the time.
We've had over a thousand games with the minions. More than 50% are losses.
Minions is the guild that has beat the Jempire the most. I can say this without a doubt. Would you like an invite?

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 07:41

#14

Rangerwillx

@Fake

I don't have a problem with alt guilds, but when you're cheating with them it's something different.

@Bacon-Strip You don't get it. What I find BS is that the people in the same guild are doing this crap, like in the comments it says 'lol ruby and bacon', when ruby isn't in the game and you are obviously Not-Bacon alt. See, I doubt you could really get to the top without playing with yourselves.
I don't care who wins, the deal is that you're playing with yourselves.
'The minions is the guild that have beat jempire the most' well, if you play with yourselves 20 games every blasted night then no doubt.
So, Jempire is the team that has beat Jempire the most' is what you really said.
Sorrah for the rage, I just wish yu guys didn't do this cwap..

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 09:31

#15

Katmint

‫‬‭‮‫‬‭‮

I haven't played Lockdown at all in ages, but knowing GvG, there's probably nobody else to play with.

You could always use two alt guilds to avoid inflating the main guild's score. My guild, when it was still active, was planning on doing that since it's less sloppy than timing a queue in randoms, but we almost never had enough people online for it to actually work.

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 00:48

#16

Pi-Ano

@bacon - booster guild

You Jems really need to grasp on the concept what a booster guild is. No one says your booster guild sucks nor its incapable of having a legit match.

The purpose of ur booster guild is to help The Jempire(main guild) to get more rank points regardless of its outcomes. You guys can set up 2 teams of The Jempire like you have done previously, at least you will finally earn some real respect that way.

As we can see you have posted a lot of booster guild matches, and thank you for proofing our point.

What exactly are you Jems trying accomplish here?Are you trying to show you guys are great at hosting countless in house matches to get to the top?

Edited: Wouldn't a boosting guild not even show on the leaderboards? Damn straight it didn't, it wasn't even on the leader board (mayb barely make to the 10th spot) prior to the spectator launch, and god knows what you guys were doing back then.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 12:38

#17

Bloodxorange

The thing that you leave out

The thing that you leave out bacon, is that you get points WIN OR LOSE.

Just to show you. In the screenshots YOU posted above, The Jempire got 510+465+600+408 per each screen, or 1,983 pts. In all screen shots added up the Minions got 588+365+540+600 per each screen, or 2,093. So we talking about a less than 100pt difference of 5 games YOU screenshotted. Regardless of how many time minions "wins" matches Jempire is STILL gaining atleast 300pts per loss.

Also, What Thrill was pointing out, The screen he posted showed you left the game and the SAME time that game was going on Bacon was playing Jemps vs Rig. So, you added your alt to get the game going with minions, but were really playing with Jempire. In the screen he posted it was clear that you were doing it to boost your score because how could you train someone when the other team is missing 2 people? thats kind of an unfair game that Jempire was clearly going to win.

Unless they change the leaderboards so that you could ONLY get pts from winning games, know matter how you try to cut it, you are boosting to be number one.

Case in pt 2. Minions have 17k pts you have 32k pts. If no games were played between jempire and minions, you guys would be closer to about 5k pts and no where near the top 5. You take it as people are attacking you or hating on the Jempire, but the FACT is, without playing yourselves you would never be #1.

Its very hard for people to respect you and your guild, when its more than obvious that you do this.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 20:52

#18

Redblades

EDIT

NVM. thrillhaus is right.
thrillhaus is always right.
or perhaps I was wrong.
about other people being wrong.
WRONG-CEPTION!

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 13:09

#19

Bacon-Strip

Hey, guys, take a guess when

Hey, guys, take a guess when we play minions? Oh yeah, when there's no one else playing. Or else we would get intercepted.

When nobody plays with us, we provide our own matches. Besides, this thread isn't about "boosting" or what have you.

It's about spectator. Take away the lag and spying, and I'm pretty sure we would do pretty well. I'm also moving this to suggestions.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 15:17

#20

Dmatter

spying is impossible on a

spying is impossible on a recon. thus, by your logic, recon is now awesome. just saying.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 17:31

#21

Addisond

Agreed

+1 to OP

I am surprised if jemp is paying enough attention to a stat as meaningless as the GvG leaderboards to actually cheat on it, and appalled if they actually are. Though I kinda doubt it. There are perfectly legit reasons to want to play against yourself.

I'm also surprised that you guys managed to turn an appeal to OOO into a fight about GvG. In SK, the most whimsical game I've ever heard of.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 21:06

#22

Thrillhaus

Bacon, Bacon, Bacon

Please don't piss on us and tell us it's raining. If you only play on your alt Not-Bacon on Minions when nobody else is playing, do explain why you and Ruby were playing in a match against Rigorous while your alts idled on Minions and were eventually removed for inactivity during the game I spectated. Could it be because it was a Sunday night and a guild that was not The Jempire was currently #1 on the leaderboards?

Sorry, I'm not here to thread jack or attack your guild specifically, but I do feel compelled to point out hypocrisy when I see it. This is the last you'll hear from me on the matter as I feel I have already presented enough evidence to cast doubt upon your motives. Oh and for the record, I do support improvements to spectator mode to prevent ghosting, as stated previously here.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 22:22

#23

Bacon-Strip

Feel free to intercept our

Feel free to intercept our guild matches, and beat us down. After all, we're apparently not the number one lockdown guild, as you guys are pointing out.

Now back to the subject, looking for on topic posts, possibly other suggestions to improve this solution.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 23:02

#24

Flaame

I'm interjecting

I'm interjecting now.

Thrillhaus, I'm loving all of these [horsefeathery] accusations you're making.

You appear to have no correlation of how we run things in our guild. This is not to say you're dumb, stupid, etc. I find you rather intelligent, however you simply don't understand our motives. I myself find it rather disgusting how you grab a single screenshot of our minions guild -one of the many times we lost in a GvG match against the Minions team- and try to use that as solid evidence as 'boosting'. It often sickens me how one mistake often leads to a whole exploitation, or attempt to embarrass a guild, of that one mistake.

Sorry, I'm not here to thread jack or attack your guild specifically, but I do feel compelled to point out hypocrisy when I see it.

Well, you appeared to do just that and everyone else seemed to follow. Good Job at being a hypocrite yourself.

With regards to guild boosting, we have never done such a thing. Many are always noticing that The Jempire takes #1 on the Global Leaderboards every week. You might be asking yourself how we're able to pull it off; determination, motivation, and we know how to do [stuff] properly. We often find Guilds trying to avoid playing with the Jempire for reasons we cannot understand; we just simply want a fun game and we often find it hard to find guilds that want to actively fight us. In this case, we need an alternative.

What better way to provide a fun match than to create it from something of our own blood? You people are arguing that the Minions team is a boosting guild, although this is not the case. We like a good battle. The Minions are able to provide us, the Jempire, with an adequate challenge (Next to Aequitas) that's both fun and exciting. Some people argue that if we didn't have an alternative guild, Jempire would not be able to take #1 every week. Not true. There have been weeks where we plowed through other guilds and we didn't even have to bother the Minions to battle us.

But I digress. In the case of if the minions team was a boosting guild, much like Rigorous has been accused of in the past, I'm sure the Minions would only stand in their base with 0 points while watching the other team capture points and not fighting back at all. When we fight the minions team, we want a fair fight, no ifs ands or buts about it.

tl;dr: When we do a Guild vs Guild match against Minions, we're not boosting. We are legitimately fighting as any other guild would.

Now for something different:
With all this said, I do support what Bacon is saying. +1. I really can't find a better way to describe what you said in your initial post.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 23:33

#25

Pi-Ano

@ flaame lol

"With regards to guild boosting, we have never done such a thing. Many are always noticing that The Jempire takes #1 on the Global Leaderboards every week. You might be asking yourself how we're able to pull it off; determination, motivation, and we know how to do [stuff] properly."
-------We all know how you pulled it off lmao, you guys abuse your secondary guild for rank points. I dare you to do a research next week. Take a screen shot of your matches and post it on this forum. Then we will see how many points come from battling this minions' guild of yours.

Do you even know why we call the minions a booster guild? It's because you guys abuse it to get rank points while there are other guilds are present atm. Whether the minions can put a fight is irrelevant to the fact that this secondary guild is used for obtaining more rank points.

"When we fight the minions team, we want a fair fight, no ifs ands or buts about it." "When we do a Guild vs Guild match against Minions, we're not boosting. We are legitimately fighting as any other guild would."
------To be honest, I have never seen a leaver more than a few times in The Jempire's "legit" gvg's ever since the spectator mode was launched. However, in your "fair" fights against the minions, there are way more leavers than a usual gvg match.

Please enlighten me on this issue, and accept my dare if ruby has the balls to do it. You jems are really really shallow, try to get away with these so called "fair" fights, and dare to call yourselves the #1 LD guild. This is the most pathetic thing we have ever seen in an online game. I really don't see why a player like Bacon-strip would go along with these rank point scams.

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 23:50

#26

Geregias

ignoring

ignoring the flame war going on about the Jempire

delaying replay would certainly help fix the spying problem - but its a huge drain on server storage space, having to record everything happening in every LD game and store it for a short time period, 2-3 minutes seems like a good delay time.

i agree it would be a good solution but it would have to have limitations - eg only 10 games may be stored and spectated at anytime and it should remove records a few minutes after the match has finished - to prevent players from going in and rewatching the match from the opposite side to learn their opponents strategies (well i personally would be fine if it just stored the 'X' most recent game replays and overwrote the oldest one when a new match starts, then it would be like a sports channel with replays until the next match begins)

Fri, 09/21/2012 - 23:57

#27

Bacon-Strip

@Geregias: Yeah, that sounds

@Geregias: Yeah, that sounds great. You would only be watching the games you would have watched in real time, delayed 2-3 minutes. The server shouldn't have to store tons of videos, just the most recent ones.

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 00:08

#28

Flaame

Pi-Ano, For the record, I'm

Pi-Ano, For the record, I'm appreciative of your response. In fact I'm laughing at it because all I see is nothing but unneeded guild bashing. I personally don't know what games you were spectating with The Jempire and the Minions, but the Minions team often varies from skilled to unskilled even though we try to make it as fair as possible for both parties to put up a well decent fight. For the most part, the matches favor for terms of one team most of the time; we can't control this.

We have determination which is why we are able to take the #1 spot on the guild leaderboards each week. Please don't think low of us, we are quietly doing our own thing and we receive nothing but hatred; even though we may have some loudmouths in our guild. All I can be is apologetic and perhaps sympathetic to your guilds. I'm sorry you can't pull this off with your guilds. I'm sorry that your guild isn't competent enough to do what we are proudly able to achieve. If you're complaining about the #1 spot, you might as well be complaining about Auto Aim being used in Lockdown. It's always there and always available to everyone.

By the way, Pi-Ano, I don't think I picked up on this 'dare' that you wanted RubyEclipse to do? Mind touching up on this?

Thread:
I can't really add much else other than adding on a brownnose statement saying that I do feel that Lockdown needs a form of Privacy. The delay of the matches, ala to what Leauge of Legends has, is perhaps one of the better potential improvements that can come out of spectator mode. Not to mention it can have the potential to provide fair matches that other users would be otherwise providing hints on where another team might be.

Sat, 09/22/2012 - 01:26

#29

Pi-Ano

@ flaame lol

Determination? As in the scenario Thrillhaus has pointed out?

For the record, I'm appreciative of your response. In fact I'm laughing at it because all I see is nothing but unneeded guild bashing. I personally don't know what games you were spectating. If being weekly #1 means to beat and get beaten by the people in the same guild, then yes, you will have my vote.

I'm sorry that your guild isn't competent enough to do what other guilds are able to achieve with real pride, without having to worry about that they will be accused of getting their rank points from a booster guild. But what do I know, we can't expect someone like the jem to feel ashame with such ego and denial.

Yes, I am sorry that your guild has to use a secondary guild in order to beat the Impervious in rank points. That is in fact very very sad. =[

To be honest, I don't know why you are denying minions is a booster guild, this is like Bill Clinton trying to deny having an affair, its pointless!

Prove us wrong, don't use the jem's secondary guild(s) for the upcoming week to do your "training"(a.k.a point boosting) Mayb then the jem will "earn" its respect. However, we all doubt the jem has the balls to do it. Have fun living in denial. XD cheers

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 03:36

#30

Wulfeknight

You guys really need to lay

You guys really need to lay off on the flame war, and Thrill, no need to sidetrack the thread. Neither side is going to convince the other, so best to just drop it. There's a good idea here in the OP and it's one I very much support.

Hopefully all guilds can agree that having a delay on spectating for the serious matches (counter-acting any form of spying) is a good thing.

Hopefully all players can agree that less lag when we fight is a good thing.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:21

#31

Addisond

If you guys really want a challenge, stop using gear that is vastly more powerful than the stuff others can afford, and stop playing in a way that rewards investment more than skill.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 09:45

#32

Brettu

i agree with bacon there needs to be something done about spectator mode it has caused a lag increase in gvg matchs in particular. i would think the easy solution would be turning on spectator mode for the match like both teams had to agree to it and then have every member in the match click yes to it.

however in the arguments over an alt guild, its pretty irrelevant..... i mean if ur that upset make ur own alt guild (if you cant beat them join them?) and then if ur response is we wont sink to that level you have nothing to complain about.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:21

#33

Skyguarder

We can't do anything about guild spying

Spectators cannot talk while there is a fight. When the match is over, spectators are able to talk. Some of them go by tell or guild chat, which may be cheating. So maybe we can make a situation.

1) Guild members cannot chat to players that are in lockdown. This will block the connection for a temp time. So if Im watching while you guys are fighting, I cannot send a guild chat message to you guys, but I can send it to the ones that aren't in lockdown.

I and spectating. Let's just say I'm your guild master.
You are playing lockdown.
I look at the other team
I guild chat to you about them
It is blocked to them, but unblocked to the ones that aren't in a lockdown match.

So there should not be any cheating.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:37

#34

Rommil

@ben

many guilds use ventrillo, or skype, or some other 3rd party voice chat while playing.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 11:45

#35

Skyguarder

Then we can't do anything about it

There's always a moral. Cheaters never win.

Heres a funny story I encoutered when I was young:

I was in a running race. All of a sudden, a kid pushes me back. He pushed everybody back. Then, I catched up, and I ran faster. So he decided to run super sonic face without stopping, but then he threw up. He came in last place.

He was nearly first, but I caught up to him and he lost his energy. So the moral of the story: Cheaters, NEVER WIN!

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 12:25

#36

Addisond

Cheaters win all the time. The person who beat you was simply worse than you to the point that his cheating wasn't enough.

Either OOO needs to make spectation an invite-based system (where you can only see people on the team you were invited to watch) or they need to introduce delays.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 18:59

#37

Opod

Needs some popcorn.

oOo this is getting more entertaining than those magnus and chris threads. Katmint tell everyone to get back onnnn! Let's play.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 20:32

#38

Soothsayerboomer

Sigh..

If you complain about the minions then do one of these things :)

One. Whenever you see us playing, Hop in or Pm Ruby/bacon that you want to fight us and we will gladly fight you :) (as long as it is t3)

Two. Go on the forums and change a "How we can make this game better" thread to a "ERMEHGAWD JEMPIRE BEWSTS!" thread. Its up to you really but please try to pick the one that actually is fun and doesn't waste so much time typing out your hate on a forum.

And please remember that its just a game people. There is no need for this hate, just relax :3

And thrillhorse whats up man? why you gotta hate for :<

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 21:17

#39

Soothsayerboomer

Also!

When your GLD match has 30 people watching the lag it causes is pretty amazingly bad. Believe me just go ahead and test this <3

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 21:21

#40

Whats-His-Face

I'm sick and tired of swinging at someone, not hitting them, then teleporting to another point. Specs lag me too badly! And I feel like if we do put a delay, it will stop the spying going on and lag. +1

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 21:35

#41

Huntr

+1.

Really needs that delay to stop potential spying.

Sun, 09/23/2012 - 21:53

#42

Fiery-Diskgun

Popcorn is needed

I with ya @opod

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 03:01

#43

Derpules

OT question

Re: boosting, if I'm not mistaken, no one is claiming that Minions throws matches. Instead, the issue is that Minions allows Jempire to get GvG matches going (and thereby earn points) when otherwise they would not be able to find an opponent to earn points fighting against.

Query: what is unethical about this? If there was another guild in GvG, presumably Jem would fight them instead (they'd get jumped in the queue anyway). And if there's no other guild, what's wrong with "fighting yourself" if it's a serious fight?

Can someone explain the problem to me?

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 05:54

#44

Derperer

nom nom nom

*slurps* *grabs tacos* *nom* *slurps* *clears throat*

Ahem...

Who is a guild kidding
Receiving jeers than cheers
'Cause it believes in revving
Amassing phantasmal points, respect, egotistical standing?
Let him stand forth, believing in his heart of hearts
That to spend energy is right, good, just?
That just because we could, we should?
Let him do what he wants to do
Denying...lying...in the forums pale echo of credence
When will he see, the error of his ways
Instead of awe and admiration, they get revulsion

*bow*

I agree with the fixing of spectate.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 11:42

#45

Shidara

You guys...

Instead of raising an issue with a flawed feature, you are instead flinging crap at a certain guild solely because OP was part of said guild. I'm sorry, but you guys really are a bunch of stoops. This thread is not about discussing behaviours of other guilds, it's about bringing issues with the spectate feature to light. The amount of flak in here aimed towards Bacon-Strip and his guild is appalling.

Anyways, I can't say I have experienced lag issues with the spectate feature, but if this is an issue with enough spectators then that is a problem for the players. Also, I really like the idea of delayed playback to prevent ghosting. As mentioned previously, this has been done with other games for the very same reason, so I don't see why this should be any different.

Hoping this thread can actually revert to it's initial purpose.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 13:17

#46

Chikamatsu

+1 Would make GLD alot less laggier and more enjoyable if there was a delayed playback.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:23

#47

Bacon-Strip

Thanks for getting this

Thanks for getting this thread back on track guys, it was never my intention to attack another guilds reputation/members nor will it ever be.

Gotta get more support! Getting tired of the random lag spikes in many of the matches I play.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 15:44

#48

Soothsayerboomer

Remember!

Its not the spectating part that is lagging, its the playing part that receives the lag. When i was playing gvg i had a solid 3 bar then dropped to 1 bar at the very start and i asked in guild chat "Hey how many specs we got?" it was 18, i was flashing from 1-3bars the entire match. Please post about this if it has happened to you.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:04

#49

Bert-Banana

@Flaame
In the case of if the minions team was a boosting guild, much like Rigorous has been accused of in the past, I'm sure the Minions would only stand in their base with 0 points while watching the other team capture points and not fighting back at all.

Rigorous was... boosting? I must not have been online, please elaborate. It sounds like an underhanded insult to my guild, I would like some sort of elaboration on what you said, as Rigorous has never, and will never boost rank points.

Bacon this isn't at all directed to you to derail your thread, it's simply defending my guild, as I have had to do on many instances.

Though I have noticed a FPS drop because of the amount of spectators viewing the game.

OOO does have a track record of slightly 'ignoring' the LD game when it comes to technical issues. Me saying this because all of the maps that were added in (Frostbite, Stadium, Downtown, Mines, Gardens) all have major FPS issues. So this definitely has to come into play when thinking of the line that OOO has followed. Not saying they don't 'care' about LD, but there are major flaws that have yet to be revised, most, if not all of the flaws coming from FPS issues.

Mon, 09/24/2012 - 17:26

#50

Soothsayerboomer

@everyone

CAN WE PLEASE STAY FOCUSED!
I mean really guys if you wanna fight out the minions go to another thread please and fight there.
And I'm laughing on the inside of all the hate for them, because i would rather fight any other guild than minions because MINIONS BE OP AS HELL!
No lie^

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