"it can't be more than 1/4 the size of a clockworks level"

Clockwork levels and haven areas are populated differently, though, so i don't think you can make that comparison.

Haven's split up into different areas for a reason, and undoing that would probably cause a lot of problems. I do agree that it'd be nice to have a way to get from the garrison to the bazaar a bit more easily, though.

I thought this was going to be something socio-economic.

You're assuming a lot of things about performance issues and lag issues that you really have no way of knowing. If three rings could have made haven one big area without making the game laggy to the point of unplayability, they probably would've done it a while ago.

Players connecting to the server are going to generate more lag issues than monsters, as monsters are actually contained within the server. Comparing monsters on the server to players on the server is ridiculous, as any lag generated by monsters is likely purely performance issues, while lag generated by players is more likely to be actual server connection lag.

In clockwork levels, there are only 1-4 clients and only 1 server, while in havens i don't believe there's a limit on the number of client connections. Sure, clockwork levels can have a lot of monsters, but don't havens have a lot of snipes and moving NPC knights going around, too?

"As previously stated, it's not really triple or quadruple because there aren't that many people in the other two sections. Remember, we're leaving out the arcade, even though there aren't really that many people there anyway."

If you'd actually read what he said, you might have noticed he said quadruple the amount of pre-rendered land, saying nothing about the amount of people in those sections.

Basically, it seems you don't understand the difference between lag created by strain on the server and lag created by strain on your computer.

It doesn't matter if it's triple or quadruple, it's still a lot more than we have to render right now, and we can't really assume that that wouldn't cause issues.

Do you really want to load both the bazaar AND the garrison when all you want to do is check the Auction house? haven's loading time will be increased by 150% every single time you come back from a dungeon.

This thread also looks very familiar.

"But you can have alot of monsters. If you open both sides of Garden of Goo, or all the rooms in Charred Court (which is about the same size as all the havens)(I think), you can have upwards of 30 mobs. Add in the animations of attacking and whatnot (that aren't present in haven), and I would think that that would be about the same load?"

You missed the point. Each mob doesn't have its individual internet from a connection that must connect to a server potentially from across the world.

In fact, if you connected all the Havens, you'd have probably about 30 mobs (NPCs) plus all the players. So, not only would you have more animations and sprites, you would have player-to-player/player-to-server connections that cause a problem.

Player-to-server connections generate more server load than mobs that require no additional communication/internet connection with another PC.

~Sev

I'd just like to point out to the OP that you're assuming that you run around in an empty Haven and at least once said "how many people? probably 0-10"

That works fine if you're on Haven 35 at US midnight when there aren't many people.

Ever been at the AH in Haven 1 at US peak time during a promo?

It's not about "how many people are in Haven" it's about "how many people could be in Haven".

@Thimol:
I thought this was going to be something socio-economic.

As did I. Just from the word choice, I guess, I was expecting something more political or "for the masses" rather than quite literally combining Haven.

EoS' hall on the Guild Update launch day

God, don't remind me...just makes me glad that they thought to include multiple instances for GHs, too~

Not much to say since everyone stole what I was originally gonna post myself :P But anyways, yeah, if we combined all of the places you mentioned then Haven would be a whole lot more laggy than usual..............My connection is already a red dot and I don't really want it to go any lower than that (even if it's not possible)........