"Every step of CTR on Brandishes removes one explosion."

Does this apply to the other lines too?

The penalty should be at least 1 level weaker than the bonus so you actually win something..

I agree with juances up there. if there are "no" benefits, no one will take uvs anymore. because a +1-1, for normal people,is not 0.

@master: that is antigua, not autogun. autogun shoots way more bullets.

If you double the bonuses per negative, I'll fully support this.

Though... maybe instead of having charge attacks progress per CTR to being different, how about have a cutoff at +3 CTR. So weapons with +4 or more would have a different charge attack than those with +3 or less. +4 and above would have a slightly lesser charge attack, +3 and less would have the normal charge attack.

My only problem with this is that it's a bit late to do so. It'd balance the UVs and items, but it would hurt far too many people being everyone, and UVs aren't really an issue until we look at player vs player, where I do believe that UVs should be removed.

Instead of family UV counterbalances being random, there should be a spectrum so if you get +# damage against X family you get -# damage against Y family instead of the negative being thrown randomly at W, T, V, and Steven:

• fiend - gremlin
• construct - beast
• jelly -undead

The idea is the two "opposite" families fight differently so specializing against one makes you less prepared for its opposite.

Another thing for stacking family bonuses beyond +6. If the weapon naturally has family bonuses, like Vanquisher and Deconstructor, those surpass +6 normally; but for UVs they can only surpass +6 by giving up half the excess to transcend the barrier. Say you have a Vanquisher with +3 undead, flopping around with full Skolver and the Snarbolax shield. Your armor and shield give you +6 sword damage so you already hit the normal cap, the natural +3 undead on the weapon makes the bonus +9, but the +3 from UV does not simply get thrown into the pile for +12. You cut part of it off. That +3 from UV is +1.5 when halved, but since decimals are bad it gets rounded down to +1 and your Vanquisher has +10 undead after all this. It gives people a reason to use weapons which naturally have family bonuses instead of rolling another UV or twenty. If you switch out your Skolver torso for RSilvermail and get a +2 sword damage trinket the family bonus would be bumped up to +12 (Skolver helmet, +2 sword damage trinket, Snarbolax shield, RSilvermail, Vanquisher, +3 undead UV: +6 sword damage, +8 undead total). There better be a universal damage nerf if this goes live.

As for all the charge penalties, change it to cooldowns instead. Charge reduction bonuses would still load it faster but if a five second cooldown stops you from starting another sword or gun charge immediately since bombs only have charge attacks and giving the same restriction to them is unfair then you would be forced to either switch weapons or use the basic attacks which bombs do not have. Unless bombs get some kind of basic attack, like a small knockback kick, their cooldown would be two or three seconds at most if they get a cooldown at all.

You might not be intending to have this weaken UV's, but you kinda are. All those ASI VH flourishes that used to cost 25k CE are now kinda worthless.

And all CTR brandishes... I mean 1 explosion per CTR? so CTR Max = only the charged swing

CTR Max Brandishes... like 40k ce? worth nothing... way to crash the economy >.<

Maybe it wasn't well thought out, but here is a thought I had in relation to solving the "I paid lots for my UVs and don't want to lose them" issue.
(Mind you that I am not really for or against this idea, just tossing a thought in.)

Suppose that all current UVs are unaffected by this update/change. None of the UV items that currently exist would lose their value, as a matter of fact some might gain value over time simply based on this change, and yet this would allow new UV items to have the new UV stat bonuses/penalties.

Either that, or have the option for players to remove penalties by creating another crown/CE sink to remove one or two (at most, so that it cannot be abused) UV penalties from any single item.

Just some thoughts, sorry if they don't make sense. :o

yah.... i want to see people with UVs have weaker gear...

-1

Sorry, missed that part. But I did add the scaled Max cap.

I don't get it, if every CTR of a brandish removes one explosion, and i have a Glacius CTR VH which is +4, and i get only 1 explosion for the glacius? If so, -1. And -1 to the ASI too :/. This would cause my GF to be useless.. and not only that, my status alchemers will do the damage of a proto gun if i have an ASI VH.

A Brandish that's effective against Gremlins would likely never be used against Fiends anyway seeing as the best upgrade path is a shadow weapon. All that bit accomplishes is making normal damage weapons even crappier.

I still think the same way as Shamanala :/. Though OOO could improve armors/weapons by not nerfing the OP weapons, but by buffing the UP weapons..
(Because i think if this happens to F2P players, like me, i'll ragequit from this game.)

Why did my brain read Antigua for Autogun? Damn you, late nights.

I'm still not all that keen on paying for penalties. As I see it, UVs are intended to be benefits-to-buy. Start slapping penalties all over the place, that hefty price tag looks much worse. I mean, imagine looking to get fire defense and getting shock, which reduces your fire resistance. Sort of made paying counter-productive.

one level of CTR would reduce effect, what happens when CTR is VH for DA? Perhaps it runs out of beams and shoots out pretty rolls of marked toilet paper like what was on the sealed sword, What would the Vortexes have? Their suction is already incredably low so should we decrease it? perhaps it would keep enemies away instead of sucking enemies in! Think of it as Graviton Antivortex! And what should the BaB do with all of it's knock back? reduce it? No, because that would make the weapon useless, lets reverse it and have all the knockback going to the middle, it would surely suck enemies and players into THE FREAKING TWILIGHT ZONE!!!!

no

More of an unbalancer than a balancer, UVs are supposed to make life easier, not the same, otherwise, why shred crowns to simply try to roll? Perhaps we are so rich like Queens. "Good afternoon, Your Majesty, would you like some Tea and Crumpets?

no

Stacking changes do not need to be implimented, we paid for what we have, and we do not need some person who is angry at UVs to decimate it all. Why not just save up and get a nice uv weapon for yourself? Instead of having Combustor CTR+ASI VH and making such a babyish swing even the zombies will drop dead from laughter, only to reanimate via grim totem who also is laughing madly at your weapon's weakishness.

no, just no

"It's only decreased by a little bit"
Well, each stage of UV also increases by a LITTLE BIT, so why neutralize the point of UVs?
Aaah the Shard Bombs, WITH 2 AND 4 SHARDS!!!!

god why did you make this post in the first place? why cant you just suggest that damage vs enemies and generic damage is just separated? I really dont want to see the result of my poor iron slug, now more nerfed than ever, just waiting for that update that will come in about 12 years. If the monster specific weapons is what you want to be buffed against that certain type, why not just separate the two? do you know what will happen if the debuffs of balance has come?

The debuff~A story by Toaster-Overload

One day, there was a knight named Zeddy. Zeddy was very upset about his weapons not getting unique variants, so he caused the economy to collapse, screams and riots everywhere. Waves of molten slag erupted from crevices between each plate of the clockworks, flooding FSC (not much of a difference), the Blast Furnace (not much of a difference either), and the cooling chamber melting all of the popsicles and causing gremlin priests to go "frahfrahfrahfrahgagagagaga" while trying to make snow angels in the melted popsicles for good blessing. Meanwhile on cradle, the melted popsicle flowed up and into haven, causing everyone to get diabetes from having too much sugar. after that, the molten slag came and washed over haven, roasting all of the snipes which coincidentally are marshmellow colored. The knights, including Zeddy, moved to Seerus's lair, put him in a box, and shipped him to Arabia. Now all of the knights were happy in the warmaster's lair, eating his reserve candy and roasting gremlins to eat even though the gremlins tasted horrible, were high in fat and gave everyone diarrhea. Now everyone was very fat and diabetic, so Dr. Enterdoctornamehere started researching on the cure, however, because Zeddy destroyed the economy, all of the crystal energy drowned themselves in the slag. Dr. Enterdoctornamehere, however was not disturbed by this, for he had invented a new type of energy: Cholesterol! and also replacing crowns, people used Sugar! With reasearch speeds like snails in molasses, the doctor finally completed his research: Salt! after all, everyone knows that introducing a new problem to the old one will terminate it, right? Zeddy completely agrees with this and decided to give lard covered sugarcoated gremlins now saturated in salt to everyone. 9/10 of the population died :D! Now everyone had high blood pressure, heart attack, diabetes, and obesity to deal with: 4 times the fun! All hail teratoma, God bless gout, and have a well being to cataracts!

A few years later, Cradle is made out of Sugar/Salt crystals, and it rains lard and smells of barbequed gremlins. Only the remaining ungrilled gremlins survive, regretting have not on purposely weakened the enemies in the clockworks to avoid this wonderful apocalypse.

THE END

... my double max snarby coat would go from fire and shock max... to fire and shock med... :c

Adding penalties makes a uv worth less.

I agree built in bonuses are worthless as they are and need a boost, but the rest i cannot agree with.

I think people are overestimating how this will effect them...just saying.

It's like in WoW when they nerf a class by 10% everyone is like "ERMAGHERD WAT U DOIN" then a week later that class is still doing fine and nobody QQs.

~Sev