Well some aspects were suggested here, individually. SPECIALLY health bars.
I guess with so many changes they got carried away and decided to do a new UI from scratch

More than likely testing it with the general population due to the lack of testers on the test servers.

Nothing was wrong with the previous UI. It was just getting old and worn out with the times.

The new UI is fine and functional, it just needs a bit of polish. Instead of wondering why they made it, it would be a better idea to figure out what about it that needs working on, like player portrait/health bar size and the weapon wheel amongst other things. It is up to us to provide feedback so that these things can be worked on, otherwise we'll just be stuck with it as it is.

This is a question that rings in my mind every time I log on SK. WHY?

Change.

I guess with so many changes they got carried away and decided to do a new UI from scratch

Or they wanted change.

NO ONE wanted a new UI

I like it? People who like change like it? Please don't speak for all of us! I have met plenty of people who are just fine with it. :)

UI was perfectly functional and simple

It was, and they know. They wanted change.

Nothing was wrong with the previous UI. It was just getting old and worn out with the times.

BOOM. Right on, Shidara :)

No, I don't see how that is wrong, because it isn't. It's not a case of 'fixing what isn't broken,' they're just updating the UI.
Familiarize yourself with the term 'a fresh change.'

The problem is just that we're all acting like old, retired people, going on about how great it was 'back in the day,' being unable to accept the changes of the modern days. Yes, the new UI has its flaws, but it is our responsibility as the consumers to provide feedback so that the devs know what needs improving. And not just hammering on about why you don't like it either, tell them how you think it could be made better. Constructive feedback, my friend.

If all we do is provide destructive criticism, the end result will be a destructive product. You may not like everything about the new UI, you may not like it at all, but one of our greatest abilities is the ability to adapt. To make this process easier on yourself, do what you can to make the change better. Going on about how you liked the old one more will not accomplish this.

And why would I even want to adopt to something that is clearly worse that it was before? Who even wanted this? Why was there
a test server for it, but they didn't even listen to the feedback? People told em what was wrong, but they didn't listen. Constructive
feedback you say? That was the purpose of it! And what happened? IGNOREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! So much about that..

Fresh change is something completly different than destroying what was good and replacing it with half done crappy looking stuff.

Im sorry, but this was a bad move from OOO, noone wanted this, they just forced it and said here, you will get used to it. And here we
are, with a new UI that is a mess. It would be faster to just fix little things in the old one, maybe change the colour scheme a bit? But no,
now we will wait another year before they make something out of this new mess. If!

Not to mention.. Art style of SK is almost gone.. But hey, as long as you are happy with it ;) Almost 80% of players are against it. That
should tell you everything.

Ok, now go tell that to other 80% of players. There are 9 pages of reasons why it's bad. And there are 5 posts saying it's good. Do the math.

EDIT: less lag? LOL. that is actualy funny. Take a look around, please..

That is your own opinion and you are entitled to it, but read your own posts; you're not doing anything to improve the situation.

You are doing precisely what I said would not make anything better, and that is to hammer on about how you don't like the change and how you refuse to adapt to it. Nothing has been ignored as the update has only been out for a day or so, gathering feedback and implementing it takes much longer than that. Besides, the testing server was not opened up for testing the UI, so that argument is inherently flawed.

If you really think the UI is a mess then perhaps you should start making suggestions for making it better. If you can't even do that you don't really have much room to complain if the end result doesn't appeal to you.

Also, 90% of all statistics are made up on the spot. ;)

Im pretty sure the last part is already happening

I didn't said I posted any worhwhile suggestions on UI, I just said I did it before. Im too furious ATM to do that, and also, im waiting on a word
from GMs, what are they planing on doing it with.. we'll take it from there.

More and more people are runing away. Why? Beacuse they are making the game easy on newcomers, while they are dissin the older players
and all of theirs wishes. So yea, game is becoming noob friendly, while we, older players, are gettin less and less challenge out of a game.
Not to mention fun factor, which is almost gone. Half of the new UI thingies are noob friendly (shield bar, weapons switching wheel,
enemy HP bars, heck, they even hid the CE and MIST counter, so we can "accidently" use more than we intend). And seriously, if you can't
agree with that, well, then you are really not playing the same game as I am.

How am i treating developers? First of all.. This is a free2play game. This game would die without it's fanbase. I play a lot of F2P games lately, and this one is one of the worst when it comes to suggestions or making them stick. Developers have to start respecting us, start caring about their community, which they obviously don't. And im not the only one thinking that..

Soner or later every older player will forget about this game.. and you will be left with little kids runing around. Off to bed, gn ;)

Well, what he is saying is true. I have not seen anyone ask for a new UI in my entire time playing here.
Sure, there's quite a few people who like it, and that's fine. Everyone has an opinion. But, the fact remains a new UI was not wanted or needed.

@Tin-Foil-Hat

This game is plenty easy, far too easy some would say.

the game isnt getting easier for new players

Seriously? After the devilite nerf and all the monster nerf over the last year? I get that making the game noob friendly is important but ignoring your established playerbase, that has stuck with you for over a year on promises and hopes, is even worse: think about it, the players attracted by the new changes are going to reach Tier 3 faster in comparison to the older players and find out there's nothing there and quit faster, if the grind for 4* to 5* hasnt put them off.

How can making the UI better make it more noob friendly ? How does making the UI easier for players to use make it bad ?

By not only making it obtrusive, make it buggy and releasing it unfished. And I dont think it's making things easier at all: if you are getting attacked on the right side and decided to change weapons, your vision will get obstructed, if you are in a tight spot and want to check your health you need to glance to the top left corner, wasting time and upping the chance of getting hit (it's one of the reason games like WoW, Dota 2 and LoL also have a small health and mana bar on top of your character).

Youre treating the developers horribly by posting negative statements toward them and their decisions, instead of constructive criticism and positive feedback. You are distancing yourself from them and dis-encouraging their appearance in threads by doing soo.

I take that you havent read the update discussion thread, A LOT of people offer constructive criticism and suggestion for change, that you dont want to look for them is another thing entirely. Also, if they are doing things I disapprove of, of course I am going to distance myself from them; as a paying customer I have the right to complain about the product presented to me if I'm presented with an unsatisfactory product/service (and if you are going to say to take a break or go play another game in the meantime, that just shows how bad the decision was in the first place if LEAVING is the better option).

The fun is only gone if YOU make it disappear.

No offense but that is dumb as heck: if you dont enjoy something for a change the developers made (Not you, the makers of the game), who's fault is it? If the solution to that is simply "to get used to it" I am sorry but no. If you played Tribes: Ascend around the time the Jackal and the infiltrator updates started rolling in, you can understand how easily a bad developer choice can take the fun out of a game.

Oh, and also-

Do the math, majority of players dont even use the forums.

I take you werent logged after the patch hit. EVERYONE started complaining left and right in the Haven I was, on the trade channel, everyone I knew was upset and only a few people in my guild liked the change (heck, one of my friends that was very excited about the UI and the patch ended up hating it HARD... he was an LD player, mostly). Also, in the game news window mentioning the new look, it says "tell us your opinion ON THE FORUMS". Fancy that.

+1 for both of ur comments

and for LD it just sucks now

@Shidara
I'm really curious about why the new UI was needed as well. I understand that there's new content coming in, but did that honestly require changing everything the way they did? It broke the established habits and flow of EVERYTHING in the game. All important battle information was switched around in their places and made less intuitive as well. All of the social and inventory tabs were also needlessly switched around. And, this being one of the biggest follies in my opinion, the CE, ME, and Crowns UI was hidden away. I know Nick's reasoning for doing so, but pretty much everyone has already said why his reasoning is kind of dumb.
So what big, new, fancy thing are they adding that absolutely NEEDED this change?
Why couldn't they edit the old one in any way?
And most importantly, WHY FIX WHAT ISN'T BROKEN?

the game isnt getting easier for new players

---Seriously? After the devilite nerf and all the monster nerf over the last year? I get that making the game noob friendly is important but ignoring your established playerbase, that has stuck with you for over a year on promises and hopes, is even worse: think about it, the players attracted by the new changes are going to reach Tier 3 faster in comparison to the older players and find out there's nothing there and quit faster, if the grind for 4* to 5* hasnt put them off.---

Oh wow the devilite nerf! Not a big deal at all. If you think the game is easy enough then explain to me why people still die during things that we consider "easy", especially Vanaduke levels. If what you say is true then its unacceptable for any player who isnt a "noob" to even die in this game. There are major missions in the game that TEST your skill and bring it up to standards, such as the gauntlet. Monster difficulty is NOT attributted to how fast you can hit 4-5* gear soo you pretty much just refuted your own argument right there. Much of the content creation is based on the money being put into the company, we dont know those numbers but i can tell you other companies like Blizzard have far more money being poured in and they dont develop content any faster, if not longer.

How can making the UI better make it more noob friendly ? How does making the UI easier for players to use make it bad ?

---By not only making it obtrusive, make it buggy and releasing it unfinished. And I dont think it's making things easier at all: if you are getting attacked on the right side and decided to change weapons, your vision will get obstructed, if you are in a tight spot and want to check your health you need to glance to the top left corner, wasting time and upping the chance of getting hit (it's one of the reason games like WoW, Dota 2 and LoL also have a small health and mana bar on top of your character).---

The new UI is not obtrusive nor anymore buggy than the old version, i assume the bug youre talking about is the character portrait not showing up which literally happened all the time with the old UI. Did you even think before typing this ? Your field of view is BIGGER than it was before outside of the top left corner being cluttered, which many, including the team, realize. The collapsible bars are a GOOD thing, they have a good sense of artistic aesthetics when it came to trying to make the player feel more immersed in the world, the old UI where the bars were always out was tacky and covered necessary space. Fact stands the new UI is far more smoother operating, especially in terms of UI loading, than the previous one.

treating the developers horribly by posting negative statements toward them and their decisions, instead of constructive criticism and positive feedback. You are distancing yourself from them and dis-encouraging their appearance in threads by doing soo.

---I take that you havent read the update discussion thread, A LOT of people offer constructive criticism and suggestion for change, that you dont want to look for them is another thing entirely. Also, if they are doing things I disapprove of, of course I am going to distance myself from them; as a paying customer I have the right to complain about the product presented to me if I'm presented with an unsatisfactory product/service (and if you are going to say to take a break or go play another game in the meantime, that just shows how bad the decision was in the first place if LEAVING is the better option).---

No ive read the thread plenty, and as you can see by multiple threads being locked that there clearly is far more unhelpful posts going on than you think. Last i checked multiple posts with people saying nothing more than "This UI sucks change it", isnt helping nor contributive. Now youre being melodramatic like many other players, "If im not satisfied with the product and i feel the need to take a break or go play another game in the mean time, that just shows it was a bad decision in the first place if i feel like leaving is the better option".

The fun is only gone if YOU make it disappear.

---No offense but that is dumb as heck: if you dont enjoy something for a change the developers made (Not you, the makers of the game), who's fault is it? If the solution to that is simply "to get used to it" I am sorry but no. If you played Tribes: Ascend around the time the Jackal and the infiltrator updates started rolling in, you can understand how easily a bad developer choice can take the fun out of a game.---

Its dumb as heck because its true ? Why is it that games that are over ten years old are still played but they havent received updates for a very long time ? YOU make the game boring for yourself by allowing the fun to be taken out of it.

Oh, and also-

Do the math, majority of players dont even use the forums.

---I take you werent logged after the patch hit. EVERYONE started complaining left and right in the Haven I was, on the trade channel, everyone I knew was upset and only a few people in my guild liked the change (heck, one of my friends that was very excited about the UI and the patch ended up hating it HARD... he was an LD player, mostly). Also, in the game news window mentioning the new look, it says "tell us your opinion ON THE FORUMS". Fancy that.---

Oh i was logged in alright, ive been farming cake since patch hit, i saw many positive and negative opinions of the new ui. Prove it with statistics, you cant because its nothing more than an opinion based of fictitious numbers. Many people in my guild have enjoyed the new UI, many of my friends enjoy the new UI, the main people who are complaining are vets who think the old ui was perfect when it wasnt. The new UI has its flaws, dont get me wrong, but the amount of people freaking out and such over it is just absurd.

TL;DR - I can see why people are upset, but theyre over reacting. The heart of the gameplay hasnt changed, only minor visual details, thats what matters. I could see people being more upset about content creation if they were making marginal profits but i highly doubt they are, even soo as i stated, even big games like World of Warcraft dont update events as often as they should with the amount of money being put in by their consumers, alot of the content is premade and released over time, not even in development.

The GMS and DEVS care about their community, theyll listen. People just need to settle down and post more respectively.

I am extremely confused: are you quoting someone and responding to them, and if so which voice is which?

Oh god, this is a wall of text...

Oh wow the devilite nerf! Not a big deal at all. If you think the game is easy enough then explain to me why people still die during things that we consider "easy", especially Vanaduke levels. If what you say is true then its unacceptable for any player who isnt a "noob" to even die in this game.

What? So apparently lag and outside distractions are not factors that can determine if you make a mistake or 3 and die to traps/the game's wonky defense mechanics. Also, Read what I said next time, I said making the game more noob friendly in general, that also includes lowering the overall monster difficulty.

There are major missions in the game that TEST your skill and bring it up to standards, such as the gauntlet.

I have one big problem with this: have you seen any new 4* player replaying that mission or any really hard mission? Many people do his mission once and with a party just to get it out of the way to keep advancing. It IS designed like a choke point till players get better but most of the time it is ignored, at not just because it gives you crappy amounts of heat and cr compared to FSC. And that ties to the next part...

Monster difficulty is NOT attributted to how fast you can hit 4-5* gear soo you pretty much just refuted your own argument right there.

You are right. GEAR is attributed to how fast you can hit 4* and 5*. And what makes you choose what armor to get? What damage type you are likely to face, statuses and bonuses... FOR THE TYPE OF MONSTERS YOU ARE GOING TO FACE AND WEAPONS YOU ARE GOING TO USE TO BEAT THEM. And guess what, how hard they are is related to how well you can beat a level and then repeat it without dying to the monsters, thus making it easier to grind, making it easier to get better armor or simply different weapon; so if you are saying making the game noob friendly isnt related to how fast you can get 4* and 5*, you arent thinking about everything - remember, players get the entire cobalt defender set free, they just need the energy and cr/mats.

Much of the content creation is based on the money being put into the company, we dont know those numbers but i can tell you other companies like Blizzard have far more money being poured in and they dont develop content any faster, if not longer.

This is irrelevant. Different companies work in different ways. There are some that can produce good games quick with a relatively short staff and big companies can make abysmal games with all the money in the world,

The new UI is not obtrusive nor anymore buggy than the old version

Because the old one had a giant useless portrait of your character that did nothing but take space or a shield gauge that overlaps with the timer on LD, and I'm not even talking about the chat box over lapping with the party info in LD, or the weapon wheel obscuring the right side of your character (so good luck if you are getting attacked on the right and are changing weapons) or having to take your eyes of the center of the screen to look at your health (to Kliplik illustrated that way better then me http://i.imgur.com/desqBmp.jpg ), right? None of that is obtrusive, huh?

i assume the bug youre talking about is the character portrait not showing up which literally happened all the time with the old UI.

No, I meant all the bugs that shipped with the update that where patched as fast as possible. Also, that character portrait glitch is new to me, since the old UI only glitched once on me but that was with an elevator.

Did you even think before typing this ?

Yes. Did you?

Your field of view is BIGGER than it was before outside of the top left corner being cluttered, which many, including the team, realize.

Ok, what? The field of view is exactly the same except with messing with the HP bar position and moving the chat window to overlap with the party viewer, which in turn relate to the top left corner clutter.

The collapsible bars are a GOOD thing, they have a good sense of artistic aesthetics when it came to trying to make the player feel more immersed in the world, the old UI where the bars were always out was tacky and covered necessary space. Fact stands the new UI is far more smoother operating, especially in terms of UI loading, than the previous one.

This I have a huge deal with, since it sounds more like you dont know what you are talking about. The new UI makes you do more clicks to check something (if you dont know the shortcut, it's 2 clicks to view your cr/ce counter, for example) that normally it's easily accessible, I dont think that counts as smoother operating. Yes, the bars have a good sense of aesthetics, but that has NOTHING with do with immersion, hell, if you are talking immersion, the UI immersion BREAKING since you have to click on them to bring them out or look at the corner to check your HP. Stop throwing terms you dont know anything about. And as far as tacky goes, I prefer the old buttons to the new bevel and gradient stuff from 2007.

No ive read the thread plenty, and as you can see by multiple threads being locked that there clearly is far more unhelpful posts going on than you think. Last i checked multiple posts with people saying nothing more than "This UI sucks change it", isnt helping nor contributive

I give you that, but it's just as helpful as mocking the people complaining and trying to ignore a problem that has so many people riled up.

Now youre being melodramatic like many other players

Probably yeah, but that doesnt change the fact that such a change is important and is having a huge impact in the game if all the reaction is any indication.

Why is it that games that are over ten years old are still played but they havent received updates for a very long time ? YOU make the game boring for yourself by allowing the fun to be taken out of it.

Because they are well designed, even if flawed. And no, the game becomes boring when there's nothing else to experienced, when you have reached a point you are not satisfied with it anymore. Bad decisions makes you reach that point faster. Trying to squeeze the most out of it is good but it never lasts: would you play only Goldeneye for years to come if a patch magically turned every weapon into the klobb?

Lastly

The heart of the gameplay hasnt changed, only minor visual details, thats what matters.

True, the core hasnt changed one bit, but this is not a minor change, it is a very important change, which a lot of people are disagreeing with. And for some it is the last straw after being starved for meaningful content for so long.

The GMS and DEVS care about their community, theyll listen. People just need to settle down and post more respectively.

Now this really got me. Because I agree with you: We are all being a bit of jerks about all of this but think about it - why are we up to this point? When did we lose so much faith on the devs to pretty much completely ignore the huge hallmark that the game's second anniversary is over a change of the UI?

I really love this game, I've stuck for it for as long as I could, even defended it when some friends bashed it calling it a "cash grab cheap mmo zelda rip off" well, in more savory words. But it just piles up, this was the last straw for me and I hope things do change soon for the better instead of the bad trail this update marked. I really dont want to leave this game like this.

@Burq

---What? So apparently lag and outside distractions are not factors that can determine if you make a mistake or 3 and die to traps/the game's wonky defense mechanics. Also, Read what I said next time, I said making the game more noob friendly in general, that also includes lowering the overall monster difficulty.---

Monsters have probably been adjusted accordingly to mix with the upcoming update. What i meant by what i said earlier, is that even though they might have nerf monsters either way, there are still players who die from monsters, which to me indicates that monsters are still doing their job. Maybe they should have separate modes for vets with higher payouts if the vets feel that the challenge isnt great enough.

---You are right. GEAR is attributed to how fast you can hit 4* and 5*. And what makes you choose what armor to get? What damage type you are likely to face, statuses and bonuses... FOR THE TYPE OF MONSTERS YOU ARE GOING TO FACE AND WEAPONS YOU ARE GOING TO USE TO BEAT THEM. And guess what, how hard they are is related to how well you can beat a level and then repeat it without dying to the monsters, thus making it easier to grind, making it easier to get better armor or simply different weapon; so if you are saying making the game noob friendly isnt related to how fast you can get 4* and 5*, you arent thinking about everything - remember, players get the entire cobalt defender set free, they just need the energy and cr/mats.---

Thats not free if they still have to pay CE+CR+Mats :P As someone whos only played for about 2-3 months, i stopped my cobalt set at 2* and went with plate. It took me a little bit longer due to having to purchase recipes but it wasnt a big deals. What i mostly meant by that is, you can buy your way to get gear, either the starter pack or battle pack gives enough CE to craft multiple 5* items. I myself crafted about 3, 5* items when i bought my Battle Pack. About the armor choice part, everyone starts out choosing 1 set, vets are the only players with multiple sets. I personally find that armor type doesnt matter soo much when youre good at dodging and shielding, which is why i wont make another set soon, ill prioritize weapons and cosmetics ahead of it. Mainly due to lack of content, FSC, since i have Volcanic Plate i really dont need to change my armor.

---No, I meant all the bugs that shipped with the update that where patched as fast as possible. Also, that character portrait glitch is new to me, since the old UI only glitched once on me but that was with an elevator.---

While thats true, they fixed them all shortly after, soo i dont think its fair to call them out on that, especially since alot of times bugs sneak past even with alot of testing.

---Ok, what? The field of view is exactly the same except with messing with the HP bar position and moving the chat window to overlap with the party viewer, which in turn relate to the top left corner clutter.---

When i use the word FOV i dont mean it as "this is what im looking at within this area", i mean it as in "This is my screen, this is how much i can see". The old UI wasnt as condensed in other areas, everyone knows the top left is a problem, i agree the top left is a mess.

---This I have a huge deal with, since it sounds more like you dont know what you are talking about. The new UI makes you do more clicks to check something (if you dont know the shortcut, it's 2 clicks to view your cr/ce counter, for example) that normally it's easily accessible, I dont think that counts as smoother operating. Yes, the bars have a good sense of aesthetics, but that has NOTHING with do with immersion, hell, if you are talking immersion, the UI immersion BREAKING since you have to click on them to bring them out or look at the corner to check your HP. Stop throwing terms you dont know anything about. And as far as tacky goes, I prefer the old buttons to the new bevel and gradient stuff from 2007.---

The UI is far less laggy and load based, prior youd get slices in frames due to the loading of other tabs, that doesnt happen now. Thats what i mean by smoother operating.

How am i throwing out terms i know nothing about ? Lol. As ive said, if they fixed that bar on the top left, the collapsing bars make for a far more immersive experience. Immersing yourself is the feeling that youre more involved in something. Virtual Reality headsets are more immersive due to the POV. I know exactly what the term means. The less thats on screen, the more immersive it would feel, the collapsing UI bars accomplish this feeling.

@ Burq - Well theres multiple definitions, i can see what you mean but you can get immersed in a game even if it isnt FPS. My use of the word is fine but it seems we have separate thoughts on what makes us feel immersed in a game. Note i dont say fully immersed, obviously that wouldnt be possible with this game or tech :P

Arent you contradicting yourself at the end ? If you have collapsing UI bars it makes you feel more into the game and more like you are the character due tp the fact that you arent constantly looking at UI menus as in the prior UI where youd have your feed and all that just out there in the open.

This battle is so intense that I read each comment

Right now Burq is slightly ahead

+1 for all Burq's counter arguements

I like the new UI. Its pretty nice.

Only things Ill have a problem with for a while are

>Apparently it causes more lag in haven now

> My hp and shield bar show in haven for no reason

>My hp bar is at the top left now which seems significantly farther to look than the bottom center of my screen

Apart from that, I like it. The advance screens are nice, the mission complete screens are nice, and there seems to be less overall glitchiness with the combat system.