Spiral Knights - Greavers STILL cheat! (this topic applies to ARENAS ONLY!!! Please stop implying I can't kill a single lone greaver)

Greavers STILL cheat! (this topic applies to ARENAS ONLY!!! Please stop implying I can't kill a single lone greaver)

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Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:11

Batabii

And I quote:

"Greavers have been newly classified as elite monsters, much like mecha knights and gremlin thwackers. Designed to pose a greater challenge, the already challenging greavers have received a health boost and will now be less prone to showing up in large swarms."

So why do they still appear in arenas by the DOZEN? Not only that, but their shock attack is half the time invisible, lingers way longer than it should, and they ALL attack you at once from anywhere on the screen, so even if you do manage to shield them, they break it on 2 seconds and you can't even MOVE! Even swords don't help because they surround you from all sides and you have nowhere to go.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 15:23

Lukehandkooler

Give you a hint, unless things have changed, inflicting damage to a greaver cancels its attack, now you can use your other observation that they all attack at the same time to know your enemy. Attack them right after they telegraph and dont spam a full combo or clip because you will most likely be reloading or doing whatever it is that swordsmen do after their swings when they attack again.

Edit- Also dont just sit there and soak damage with your shield, bump them and find a better spot to stand.

~Luke

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:59

Fehzor

As Zeddy said on the last of these threads regarding the recent improvement to arenas-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHjxy7ChfHM&feature=youtu.be

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 16:59

Qwez

Don't run away,

circle slightly around them and when they dash at you, they should loop around to your other side and you run off in the opposite direction.
The Greaver should miss if you do it right.

Or... wait until they try to hug you, and dash away.
Or... take the initiative and hug them first with a shield bash.
Or... take a Cutter with you and hug them first
Or... take a DR with you and throw balls everywhere
Or... slap them with a Flourish whenever one gets near
Or... bring an Antigua-esque gun, Valiance, Pulsar
Or... bring an explodey bomb with you
Or... kill them with revives
Or... return to Haven
Or... uninstall the game
Or... throw away your computer/laptop/notebook/desktop/monitor/keyboard/mouse/speakers

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 17:02

Voza-Il

^ Kill with revives -> Least

^ Kill with revives -> Least expensive method

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 17:40

Everblunt

The most cheat-y part is the

The most cheat-y part is the status effect works through walls and barriers.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 17:49

Skold-The-Drac

Those Fiends!!

Owait... Heheheh. They are fiends, not friends...

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 18:20

Gwenyvier

Griefers are fiends, not

Griefers are fiends, not friends. Errrr, I meant Greavers.

The best way I've found of managing the horde is if it is a Fiend or Undead arena to bring my Shadow armor, as I know without a doubt I'm going to get cornered on the last wave. Then make likes its LD and "swing, shield, swing, shield, swing, shield". If you're a bomber hope to time your DBB or mist bombs right, if you're a gunner... god help you.

I have not tried it myself, as for the most part I find the Shield Bash useless, but I believe you could also Shield Bash through the horde of Greavers on their initial charge to get behind them and hopefully get some distance between you and them.

Alternately, if solo, you could possibly use a FoV charge and one shot them... note to self, must try that one.

~Gwen

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 19:22

Zeddy

"So why do they still appear in arenas by the DOZEN?"

That is standard behaviour for elite enemies such as gremlin demos and mecha knights.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 21:16

Batabii

Greavers never miss unless they're too far away (which is almost never). They're too fast to strafe and attack in basically all directions at once. And there's no reason they should REQUIRE a sword, and besides, I can't hit 360 degrees with a sword unless I charge, which is impossible with a dozen of them swarming me at once.

Or... wait until they try to hug you, and dash away.
nowhere to dash when I'm surrounded, can only dash once every 8 seconds
Or... take the initiative and hug them first with a shield bash.
They're constantly hitting me so my shield gauge can't be full and if I wait until it is, I take 20 damage and get shocked into helplessness.
Or... take a Cutter with you and hug them first
I have hunting blade (heating it) and it didn't help.
Or... take a DR with you and throw balls everywhere
I'm going to assume this is a joke.
Or... slap them with a Flourish whenever one gets near
Didn't have it equipped, too many enemies, can't hit behind me.
Or... bring an Antigua-esque gun, Valiance, Pulsar
Antigua is too weak and only hits one enemy, valiance just plain sucks, and pulsar is worthless at close range.
Or... bring an explodey bomb with you
I had RADIANT SUN SHARDS. I couldn't even charge it.

~We're not idiots, we already saw your names the first time.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 21:33

#10

Father-Frost

Good greave not this thread

Good greave not this thread again okay the shock ones are really hard, but you don't have to do the final room!

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 21:33

#11

Father-Frost

Good greave not this thread

Good greave not this thread again okay the shock ones are really hard, but you don't have to do the final room!

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 21:33

#12

Father-Frost

Good greave not this thread

Good greave not this thread again okay the shock ones are really hard, but you don't have to do the final room!

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 21:33

#13

Father-Frost

Good greave not this thread

Good greave not this thread again okay the shock ones are really hard, but you don't have to do the final room!

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 22:41

#14

Lukehandkooler

Shadowstep Bro, use the

Shadowstep Bro, use the force.

Edit- Get a Blitz needle line or FF or BTB and go full retard on them bats, 1/2 clips is most likely to cancell most/all their attacks from splash damage, shield bump the first inc, send lead at the rest, back to group A, send lead.

Though my advice may sound harsh I understand, they are one of the few enemies left in the game you have to go after like you was killien' snakes. Plan on getting hit, plan on taking a pill, plan on using your shield to bump rather than block, if you think you can burst them down, do it.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 22:42

#15

Lukehandkooler

And I quoth from the GD

And I quoth from the wiki-

Strategy

Greavers move fairly quickly when preparing to strike, so a knight charging his own attack is unlikely to outrun them. They stick to their targets long enough before attacking for you to cancel your charge or move out of range. Push them away with your shield or dodge their hits before counterattacking. Try not to stay in one place or move towards the Greaver after shielding from its attack in later tiers, as the haze can affect you through your shield.

Greavers can be easily disrupted by most attacks therefore you can avoid getting hit or surrounded by attacking once and then moving back.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 22:36

#16

Zeddy

@Larry

Tell us which weapons you have and we'll tell you how to use them for greaver fights.

Mon, 06/03/2013 - 23:41

#17

Hexzyle

Please don't create duplicate threads

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 00:36

#18

Batabii

@hexzyle

I didn't read that thread because the title was vague. I had no idea it had to do with Greavers, and I'm not going to search for every single thread that mentions them (especially with this forum's joke of a search engine)

@luke I had volcanic pepperbox. It was useless. It only hits one of them at a time, and to do any significant damage, you have to charge it, and they won't let you.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 01:35

#19

Mayaura

I couldn't agree more

They are a cheat that I've raged at myself. Other cheats are multiple missle-launching gun puppies and Lumbers that freeze you in place and then hit you again and again before the freeze effect wears off.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 01:49

#20

Lukehandkooler

Blitz and it's line are the

Blitz and it's line are the pure autogun pierce damage line, Volcanic is normal damage, and Plague needle, though piercing, is considered by a majority to be worse than Blitz because its not as bursty. It's all about situational awareness because like you said theres too many to hit all at once. You just have to decide which ones to burst down and which ones to shield bump/evade.

I usually fire two non charged Blitz shots (unlike I recomended earlier ) at the closest ones then go right to shield bump 3/4 of the nearest die and I get my bump in in time to blow back the rest and its rinse and repeat. Though I do play with +max Asi and at least +very high damage at all times.

Sure in T3 they still once in a blue moon get me, but when I first started playing I found it almost impossible to counter them. Its just a learning experience. :)

Tell Zeddy n us your weapons n such.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 11:48

#21

Shoutentenshu

>.<

are you honestly complaining about the 1 mob that poses a small threat, that is found in the last part of a arena that gives you a warning about it being harder not to mention it gives you the option to skip that part of the arena? this game is already so easy, why would you complain about one of the more challenging aspects of it?

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 12:20

#22

Redblades

.....not sure if troll or flamer or terrible at game...

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 12:29

#23

Brother-Zeke

Not really that bad...

I run arenas for most of my profit, and when the occasional T3 arena comes by, I always do it (and it is usually fiends for some reason, just like I find T2 being a lot of slime or construct). The final greaver wave was not challenging (freeze status), just sit in a corner and use your piercing sword while cancelling. You keep interrupting and the status was freeze so it didn't matter as I didn't plan on being anywhere else. I guess with shock status it would be harder because if you got shocked once you'd be dead though. Also, the devilites aren't too big of a problem, because it will only spawn about two of them.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 12:41

#24

Mystrian

Monsters attach patterns

This game can be challenging to some if they do not know the attack patterns of monsters. Take for example the Greavers. They charge, attack and leave a status cloud, then they retreat. Learn and master monster attack patterns and you'll be unstoppable in PVE.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 13:12

#25

Batabii

@reblades
none of the above

@mawashimono
That's right, lumbers (Especially silversaps) cheat too! They break just about any shield in one hit, freeze you almost every time, AND stun you so you can't move. And once you're frozen AND your shield is broken, you're HELPLESS and they just trap you in an infinite loop of freeze.

@luke
I KNOW VP isn't piercing, but I hoped the knockback would keep the greavers off of me, or that the fire might slow them down. Blitz has such a narrow cone of fire that it wasn't really helping much, and I don't have time for a charge.

@Shoutentenshu
It's not a small threat. It's in ALL rooms of the arena, and I shouldn't have to lose 2/3 of my payouts just because of one cheating enemy type...

@blade-of-grass
They don't retreat, that's the problem. They just fly across the map and stick to you, no matter whether you shove or dash or anything, they just charge you one second later. And naturally you can't keep your shield up or it just breaks instantly or they hit you through it, and if you try to run, they outrun you or hit you with their stupid 4-way shot. There's just no way to win without a full team of four players, which for some reason in a rare thing in the arcade X(

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:20

#26

Zeddy

@Larry

Can you tell me which weapons you were using? I'm gonna try an attempt using whatever it was.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:22

#27

Fehzor

You are not entitled to the money given to you on your runs until you pick it up and receive it.

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 15:57

#28

Batabii

No, but I am entitled to have a fair chance at earning it, which greavers in arenas don't let me!

Tue, 06/04/2013 - 16:27

#29

Qwez

I wasn't joking about the DR...

Greavers punish those who run away. If you're truly surrounded, throw out a good defensive vial (stun, poison, shock)

Now about that DR, it interrupts Devilites and Greavers easily, laying down a one is great for holding a defensive position while you poke a couple times with your other weapons and switch back.

If you're having trouble, it's probably because you aren't anticipating that final round and preparing for it. I would've used my SSS to kill the last draco-puppy and prepare for the onslaught.

Oh and I second Zeddy, it'd be interesting to try out your loadout.

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 04:56

#30

Mystrian

SSS

What weapon is that?

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 05:29

#31

Lukehandkooler

What weapon is that?

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Scintillating_Sun_Shards

Just a guess.

~Luke

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 05:58

#32

Krakob

Th-th-third!

Good job, we've only had two of these threads so far. Another is greatly appreciated!
So, you ask why? The reason is because Greavers are fudging elite now that's why. It's intended and it's awesome. Finally something moderately challenging in the Arcades once more!

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 13:28

#33

Batabii

Right. It's totally intentional that there's ONE ENEMY that makes certain floors virtually unwinnable. There's a HUGE difference between "moderately challenging" and "brokenly cheap". Especially when in anywhere that ISN'T an arena they only spawn like 5 at a time or less.

And you think MORE threads means it's NOT a problem?

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 14:24

#34

Zeddy

@Larry

Look, greavers are hard, but they don't make floors unwinnable. Fehzor posted it earlier but I'll just repost this video of me winning the exact floor you're complaining about. Contri had a couple, too, but he mostly just heart-trinket tanked them

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 14:27

#35

Krakob

@Larry

No, I think it's a good sign, almost. It's flooding the forums a bit but it just proves how silly the community can be. People whine about lack of difficulty and then others complain about the difficulty. So yeah,
THERE
ARE
ELEVATORS
BEFORE
THE
FINAL
ARENA.
USE
THEM
IF
YOU
AREN'T
CERTAIN
YOU
ARE
ABLE
TO
KICK
BUTT
thx

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 15:04

#36

Lukehandkooler

We just don't want our clockworks nerfed again Bro. You're also beginning to sound like a troll because the only awenser you're looking for is another player to come along and validate your shortcomings rather then learn or provide information.

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 15:14

#37

Doom-Xx

Better ways to deal with

Better ways to deal with them

Rip the gate out and run away

Trash your keyboard

Hack SK and use a crowbar

Eat them

Cook them

Throw a flourish...

Eat a flourish...

Steal a flourish...

Buy a flourish...

... And play with it.

Shoot your monitor with a gun

Format hard drive

Smash your keyboard on the screen

Get angry

Use your bomb and start to [REDACTED]

Poop on them

Vomit on them making them fall

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 15:29

#38

Dbltap

Thread Re-Title Needed

I have a few ideas for a new title....

"I don't want to improve my skill level; I just want Greavers to be nerfed."

"I know it's possible, I've even seen the videos, but you guys, Greavers are IMPOSSIBLE to beat."

"I dare you to give me a tip; I'll just shoot it down without even trying it!"

And possibly my favorite...

"Mommy! Greavers beat me up, whaaaaaaaaaa!"

Seriously though dude. You want to have a discussion about difficulty? Cool. You want to get some tips to overcome a difficult enemy? Cool. You want to whine and stomp your feet? NOT COOL.

You should not expect to complete any dungeon run. As it is right now I can pretty much bank on coasting through every Clockwork run all the way to core which honestly sucks. I want to be challenged!

Sure Greaver packs will kick your trash if you screw up and get "Statused" or simply hit a rhythm that results in you getting owned, but when you get the rhythm right and come out on top; it's all the more sweet!

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 21:51

#39

Ninja-Gyles

Really?

Its called a Callahan. :P @Zeddy when i watch you vids i think omg look at that boss with his explody bombs XD and then can you teach me how to do that?

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 21:39

#40

Batabii

The clockworks don't need a nerf, GREAVERS need a nerf. They're way too overpowered. You can't win solo, and nobody plays arcade so you can't win as a team either. And as I mentioned earlier, it's unfair to take away most of my winnings just because there's a broken enemy in the arena.

All they need to do is reduce the swarms like THEY PROMISED THEY DID.

You can't callahan a dozen greavers, no matter how you try. Plus the constant reloading will kill you.

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 21:54

#41

Ninja-Gyles

@batabii

true, true but calhan works vs fiends well in smaller number or at least magnus in T2 anyway

Wed, 06/05/2013 - 21:56

#42

Dbltap

Come on man, seriously?

You want an enemy nerfed because YOU can't beat it. Notice the emphasis on YOU.

Get better instead of asking for an enemy to be made easier.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 00:25

#43

Etharaes

YAY MORE GREAVERS

I love how greavers are now elite creatures. Why? 12 greavers to fight rather then 12 mecha knights to fight.

Some tips:
-Cornering yourself in the arena helps when using a sword/gun because then you have to deal with them coming from less directions.
-Shield cancel spam the 1st swing of any sword makes them easypie.
-Bombing them requires you to place bombs before they spawn or have a considerable distance between you and them before you plant your bomb, but
-Thanks to the update we have a tool to outrun them (dash) and interupt them (bash).
-Weapons that restrict movement are unadvised, so vortexes, autoguns, some blast bombs, magnuses to an extent.

Off-topic: I kinda find it odd how you think of valiance as weak but yet you use volcanic pepperbox. I'm not saying their weak, I think they are quite strong. vs neutral, 1 antigua line bullet does 76 damage and 1 valiance bullet does 150. And valiance has knockback.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 01:19

#44

Batabii

I can't get better. I've been playing spiral knights for almost two years now. I'm the best that I can get without shelling out dozens of dollars on UVs and trinkets. "Get better" is not an excuse when there's only two enemies in the entire game that are giving me problems.

12 mecha knights are simple to fight. 12 greavers are impossible.

Off topic: You can't compare antigua line to valiance. They fire six shots per clip, of course they'll be weak. They also have one specific damage bonus each, as well as non-normal damage types, and their charge shot pierces mobs. You might as well be comparing Wild Hunting Blade's per-hit to leviathan blade's, or Scintillating Sun Shards to Nitronome.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 01:25

#45

Krakob

Greavers are very well balanced now. If you can't beat 12 of them at once solo in T3, maybe that proves something. Maybe it proves that they are friggin' elite or maybe it proves that you make bad gear choices or simply lack in skill. Kindly stop ignoring Zeddy's video. It's totally doable.

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 04:47

#46

Hexzyle

I've been playing Spiral Knights for two years and I'm still getting better each day >.< so I don't know what's wrong with you

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 19:32

#47

Batabii

Tell me how this is fair.
Our party got wiped out THREE TIMES against this single 12-greaver wave. And there were THREE of us. I had Divine Veil AND Sinister Skelly Suit with shock resist medium. IT'S NO USE! Even mashing the mouse button with BTB didn't stop them!

Thu, 06/06/2013 - 19:38

#48

Fehzor

The world is out to get you Larry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZZ2IVlGMVg

Fri, 06/07/2013 - 16:46

#49

Dbltap

IT'S NO USE!

By Batabii's logic watching that entire video is impossible because I tried to and couldn't.

Oh and speaking about that, Fehzor you owe me 51 seconds of my life as well as my sanity back! I still hear it in my dreams... It's no use, it's no use, it's no use....

Sat, 06/08/2013 - 01:54

#50

Krakob

IT'S NO USE

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