You can't even wait until next Wednesday?

Ugh. This again?

In Grimranger's words: "You couldn't have posted this in the million other radiant crystal threads?"

People that were thinking it was INTENTIONAL to help players quickly level up 4* precursors so they could make the new obsidian weapons are as much wrong and naive as people that think that higher level depths are coming and they will be filled with radiant crystals.

The drop rate adjustment was introduced to encourage players to buy radiant crystals with energy (or buy Shadow Keys with energy and go into SL). Please accept that obvious fact.

All this speculation is pretty poisonous to the game and its community. Why can't OOO just put out a time for the next update so we can at least get our hopes up about it?

If this is to encourage players to buy radiant crystal with energy, why does 50 radiant still cost 700CE. It'd be more encouraging to double or triple Radiant you can get for 700CE.

#solothread #ownage
http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/89218

"New Tier 3 Boss
A new mission arc will be incorporated following the events of the Firestorm Citadel that will include a new boss monster for players to challenge."

SAID NICK HIMSELF, kthxbai

p.s. I'm gonna copy&paste this to every Radiant Fire crystal thread.

First things first, KingBach is sexy

Now to actually grill you. While that may actually be the case, there is no excuse for the administration to alter drop rates before instituting a new method of getting them. The only reliable method they have right now is, conveniently, the supply depot or shadow lairs (which are tied to the supply depot). Fishy, huh?

Also, it should be "doe" not "tho." Get it right.

I dont think that Markus, since the whole thing of shinings for quicks 5 is only makes sence for the apocrea/limited time weapons, those gunz are going to be in game forever and at any time.

The reduction of radiants happened during the first arcade redo update right? And since the GMs aren't responding to the millions of WHERE ARE THE RADIANTS threads, I'm guessing it's part of a future update so it's most likely that more depths will be added which will have your radiants.

@Jendar-Nox & Bookmarkmayne

You both have a point, but who said the new depths have to be other than T3? >_>

everyone saying to "ZOMG FIXX RADIANTZ PL0X OR IMMA QUIT LIFE" are assuming that radiants are broken. knowing OOO and how they have said NOTHING about it despite the massive community uproar tells me that this was intentional, radiants aren't broken, they have just been nerfed into oblivion

they're gonna add a new boss T3 boss,that means the radiants are gonna drop in the levels of the new boss.
T3,JK and twins=glowing crystals
Vana=shinings crystals
New boss=radiants

Message from a support e-mail I filed like a week ago.

"Greetings,

As you may already know, we typically make some major and/or minor adjustments
to various aspects of the game, such as drops or rewards (such as with the
Apocrean mission or the July 30th update). As a result, you will certainly see
some variations and changes to (but not limited to) drops and rewards.

That said, it's possible that there will be further adjustments made to
different parts Spiral Knights, such as the gunner (or gunslinger) update that
is to come. I'm afraid that I don't have an exact day of when this may occur,
but the possibility of certain rarity drop rates being tweaked again isn't out
of the question. We apologize for the inconvenience this is causing you.

Best wishes,

- Atalanta"

What I gathered from it:

They tweaked the drop rates so people had more shining crystals to heat up 4* gunslinger gear (weapons, armors, helms, whatever) more expeditiously. With how many people there are that run FSC as it is, I'd imagine that radiant crystals are still in surplus with more seasoned knights. Sure, it punishes knights who want to hit full 5* without throwing money at the game, but realistically it's probably easier to do OCH for money than FSC, since you can vendor a Perfect Mask of Seerus every 3 runs for a guaranteed 30k, and I'm still getting more Eternal Orbs than I am anything else, so it's a steady supply of stuff.

Not to mention crafting masks gives you potential to sell UV'd gear later, since the masks are, y'know, gunslinger gear themselves.

@Wolfe-Knight
"No one right now knows and will just have to wait and see"

Friend, OOO is not a mystery novel writer. It's a company and that means business. They haven't adjust drop rate to create suspense.

If crystals drop adjustment were caused by adding deeper levels to the clockworks, they would have been adjusted WITH new level addition simultaneously.

An example from some time ago. Vindictus (another MMO) had a massive crafting system overhaul and that required monsters loot system adjustment. Did they changed monster loot weeks before crafting overhaul to create suspense? No it was introduced at the same time with elaborate explanation why this, this and that were changed and what are consequences and what is the vision. OOO works in the same manner - in the past when there were some major changes (the ones that requires tweaking in other parts of system), OOO always have provided players with explanation and never introduced said tweaking BEFORE said major change. Reasons always comes first, not the results. If new depths were leading to different crystals distribution we would have those new depths before different loot distribution (or simultaneously). That's why I think my "theory" is a fact. Of course I may be wrong, I'm just a humble human. But this time I doubt I am.

@Wolfe-Knight
If Retequizzle's theory is right, then why Orbs drop rate having been adjusted as well (or have it?). I have quite a few Shining Crystals so far and almost twenty Eternal Orbs, yet no Elite Orbs and only one Advanced Orb, so it won't be that easy for me to craft all those marvellous guns coming our way. I wish I were wrong though. And Retequizzle were right.

Plus it's not an evil, or unkind, thing to think about one's revenue. OOO has decided to remove elevator costs and there's no coming back. We don't really know how, or if, that decision influenced OOO' revenues, but it is possible that new ways of "supporting developers" just had to be introduced.

And of course I didn't take your response as harsh. That's how internet (especially forums) works and I get used to the fact that written words sound more emotional then poster intended. For example most of my posts sound as total drama even though I never write them to sound like this and I'm totally easy going person myself.

Good luck and I hope everything will be all right as soon as possible.

@Merethif

Orb rate is a touchy subject as they are a lot more rare than fires and it varies on user. I personally have found quite a few Elite and Advanced while only getting 2 Eternal. Note however I play from Moorcraft to core most of the time. Really I didnt notice much of a difference at the time of the fire change, so I figured it was the same.

They may not be evil but doing it just so people pay CE is wrong and would cost OOO players, paying players. I understand the idea of getting revenue but this is very heavy handed way of doing things. This is the reason why I dislike that idea of them doing it for the purchase of CE and instead hope it is only for the update to get 4* gear faster. Who knows, we might both be wrong and OOO might have just made a boo boo and waited until next patch to fix it (unlikely but plausible).

Fix them.

Thats it, what is the point of creating perfectly logical posts if a majority of people who post seem to refuses to read. With the current attitude of the players I wouldnt doubt OOO would do this out of spite, might teach them some patience. Krakob, Retequizzle, Merethif, and I, only to name a few, have listed reasons upon reasons why this would be happening and why OOO is silent most of the time.

@Xd-myname:
they have bexome so money minded.

became? GMs rarely post in any discussion. don't refer to the old times, once upon a time they were normal gamers. I am 100.1% sure that their civilian accounts have far more hours of playtime than the most of us.

really all hope is lost in this game

tell that for yourself please. OOO has done its errors but it has done good to balance that.
I have a little suggestion on this radiant thing that it will need some polishing.

Well, it's "next Wednesday", and no word on how in the world my newly Vanguarded guildies are ever gonna heat up their 5* equipment.

EDIT: Oh geez, I thought it was actually starting to be Thursday EST. Been a very slow week at La Maison Maha.

lol do you expect them update the game around this hour?, its wednesday but its not "office hours" for them to work. wait a "few" hours so we can see if they "update something" or not. geez, im upset too about the lack of Radiants but seriously people should at least wait for OOO working hours and see if they "really" fix the problem (but honestly i doubt they will)

EDIT: well wolfe won me the post x)

Valve may have caved like a mine in South America, but OOO is far more conservative and wont change something that isn't even broken. You want radients? Go do shadow runs. You don't even need them to play, all they do is give you a med charge bonus.

Haven't touched the game since this change, won't be touching it until they change it back. Stop grabbing for more money OOO, you had enough before.