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Tue, 11/06/2012 - 21:51
Vykhram's picture
Vykhram

Hi everybody, I'm Vykhram, of the Spanish Forums of Spiral Knights.
In our forums have discussed the possibility of including pets in the game, after discussing it in the vast majority of the points, here I come to present the conclusions that have emerged, officially under my responsibility.

I think that pets should not attack, but you can find them somewhere on the Clockworks and occasionally use them. Let me explain:

"1st Journal Entry Vykhramnian, January 9 of the year 2520:
Walking through the clockworks I found a small animal, quite docile and a little bit weak. I decided to take him to Haven with me, to take care.

2nd Journal Entry Vykhramnian, February 26 of the year 2520:
It's been a few weeks and 'Draco' (so named my pet) and has grown a bit and is very willing to join me in the Clockworks. His strength has increased considerably.

3rd Journal Entry Vykhramnian, May 17 of the year 2520:
Today, Draco has saved my pelt. During a small expedition into the Clockworks I found an dark passage in Candlestick Tower, I have been surrounded by multiple Kats and Grimalkins and they were about to eat me alive. When I saw if Draco was close to me, wasn't. The monsters cornered me in a doorway, saw the mechanism to open, but required underfoot. I also saw a candle standing behind me, but its light was not enough to where I was. Just at that moment before my death, I saw Draco walk on the mechanism that opened the door, then I ran up to that candle and killing Kats following me, and were not affected by the candle, I finally found Draco resting beside the Candle. I owe much to Draco now. "

What I'm getting at is this:
- Revive Clockworks by seeking your own pet, if possible, that or you keep it, or leave it dumped, which can not be bought, or detach or exchanged in Haven Market. (Thus, the person should go down to find your pet in Arcade).
- The system of 'improved level' is similar to Dungeon Defenders game, where the pet gets experience for work performed or, if you're in a hurry, they improve with Crystal Energy, but not Mist Energy, encouraging Energy Market.
- New levels: Could be create new biomes, new levels and puzzles in it, like Prestige Mission Compound 72, which have been created a new biome. Regarding the puzzles, you create some special tunnels and crannies where the Knight cannot reach, but your pet can resolve.
- You may name and perhaps put the pet accessories to personalize and make it more unique.

Now comes the Q & A section, presenting questions that have had some of my fellow Spanish Forum:

Questions:
1. Does the game to find your pet, you have to start from scratch the whole game?
2. When you create your character, you can choose any pet as the Boss or are chosen randomly when you find your pet?
3. When your pet with you on a mission may also attack?
4. Do pets have unique model or models have normal monsters, special, or even Vog Cub?
5. The model is solid for a singleplayer, but as an official in groups?
6. Do all players get a "copy" of the pet? Only the group leader? Random?

Answers:
1. No pets are available from a certain range, for example 5-2.
2. Pets will be completely random. Maybe you can have pets like the bosses, however, they will not attack and will be very hard to find.
3. As I said above, the pet will be limited only to accompany the Knight, not attack and sometimes may be used for any puzzle with extra money or extra heat.
4. 4. I think we can cover the monsters we know (except the Gremlins, and some Undead and Fiend, as Trojans, Zombies and Devilites) as may be in future, I would like to adding some lizards, birds or perhaps including dragons.
5. The model is the same as when you meet a group Mewkat being in Candlestick Tower or any other party for any other special monster.
6. It would be random, as with guns, armor, shields, etc. coming into the boxes. But to prevent a person from getting too many pets, have the maximum number of three and will use only one in battle. Pets will not be available on Lockdown as shields.

Suggestions:
Now some suggestions that have contributed also:

"I do not want to cry, but it would be "good" that pets die or to grow much the set free. Otherwise, go to the arcade once and never return. Releasing pets, so that its evolution is not seen as a loss receive a "Greenpeace Token" to exchange for other accessories. " - @Little-Juances

- The truth also thought about it, that when you can no longer have more pets and want to 'remove' any, then releases it in a new place called Haven 'Animal Sanctuary' or something, where you can find peaceful monsters . At some point you can visit your old pet and interact with them, but you can not take any. Your idea of ​​'Greenpeace Token' gave me pretty hilarious, but it's very good suggestion and with it you can get, for example, 3 Tokens for special items, whether clothes or accessories for both the pet and for your Knight.

"Tip of Evolution:
'Draco, the Salamander, to reach level 50 became a Volcanic Salamander!'
In almost all monsters have a higher evolutionary stage and I think that is a pet more.

Differentiation tip:
'Draco the Volcanic Salamander is in Haven with his Lord Vykhram, and a Vykhram's friend pass with another Volcanic Salamander.
But wait, Draco has a spot on his back! '
Other than all monsters alike, as there is any difference. "- @Galax-Zero

- Regarding the pet evolve, when we reach a certain level (for example, from 10 to 10) will choose an "Point of Evolution" that will not only help to differentiate the pet, but also start to have aging characteristics, as a young Wolver Cub begin look more like an Alpha Wolver. Also each time you have a PE, you have another to give a unique look to your pet, such as spots on the back, scars, to leave a trail of fire, ice or shock (depending on the condition of Status) and giving more efects to your pet.

Thanks for your time and I hope you like the idea.

PD: Thanks also to Google Translate for helping to simplify the translation. xD

Original topic: http://forums.spiralknights.com/es/node/67917

-Vykhram-

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 00:41
#1
Fehzor's picture
Fehzor

1. Many players see the knight as being too powerful already. To what end will this do the knight? (provided that they allow the pets to help the knight in any way)

2. Mecha Knights are the closest things to pets in existence. Most experienced players do not like them. Why would they value these pets that you suggest?

3. Given how hard it would be to work into the game, would it really hold any function? Is it really needed? The awesome value is vaguely there, but then its already been done a billion times before... perhaps you should play Pokemon?

4. Many semi-loyal players are strongly against pets. Oh wait, we don't care about those...

5. How would this benefit the game more than the standard of "more playable content" (referring of course to more arcade levels and monsters) that players have been asking of the devs for? While it could be used for arcade balance, almost anything could, the devs just choose not to endorse their most exciting+fun content.

(I will post this in Spanish in the Spanish thread as well)

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 01:41
#2
Xxpapaya's picture
Xxpapaya
The papaya simply comments =)

My snipe on my sniped hat is my "pet" =) But still, I really don't want "actual" pets....................if Spiral Knights had "pets" it would be more like Pokemon 0_0

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 08:26
#3
Galax-Zero's picture
Galax-Zero
1+

xD...

POKEMON!

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 09:49
#4
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope
*sigh* those kids xD they

*sigh* those kids xD they believe because this suggestion from the spanish forum was so "praised" by all his friends and guild, will be praised here too. Anyway we dont need pets, we have Monsters Pokets (yay! monpoke!) and really there isnt a need to have pets to accompany or follow us, as Fehzor says you wants pets? go to play Pokemon, but here spiral please.. we dont need pets to start training and all.. and seriously use the search bar for the pets threads and you will see how many threads are shot down because "pets" this its not going to be the exception. graveyard this before the main Fire rain comes to the thread and you get burned.

Theres a reason why devs give us monster pockets, and theres another reason why they dont added pets at first time and its because we dont need it. we dont come to this world o stay to live forever, we only are stucked on this world to find a way to repair our ship and get away from here. Also lot of pets requires more memory from the server and will make us lag, so no need to have pets.

Maybe you should look more to your dog, your cat or whatever pet you have. prolly its asking you for attention. but instead you want a virtual pet.. Poor dog, and more poor if its a cat you leave abandoned :c

-2 to this idea.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 09:58
#5
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru

Already made that joke.

From what I can tell these are basically cosmetic plushies until you get to a narrow path your pet would travel into, but that defeats the point of all areas being accessible by our knights even if it involves spending energy to open doors or handling switches.

I want someone to make a Spiralmon thread. Starters, gyms, evolution chains, the whole shebang.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 11:19
#6
Vykhram's picture
Vykhram
@Sweet-Hope

Well, if you do not like the idea and you tell me to destroy the topic ... I will not give up because you do not think, by the fact of doing what you say are things that you believe. I always liked to say, 'Believe what you want to believe'. Still, thanks for your opinion, but also would have preferred that you told in the original topic.

To all those people who thinks that it is transforming Spiral Knights into Pokemon, you are wrong, that's not what I want to get to do. What I want to do is make your stay in Spiral Knights a bit nicer and not so lonely and bored. I'm not saying that there is a race to get the best pet, the most beautiful or things like that, I just want to break the routine of doing the same thing, and revive Arcade, nothing else. If you take it as well, as they have not been able to see my point of view, which I thought you might get to see.

Thanks anyway and keep asking me if you have more doubts

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 12:06
#7
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope
your post got praised because

your post got praised because spanish forums get most post from your guild or friends. practically that forum its a joke. here at least people have different opinions about the matter not matter what. thats why i liked more this forum than the spanish one.

i told you to graveyard this as suggestion not to destroy your topic but if you want the main one who can troll your topic.. well its your choice. but dont belive that "your topic got praised there will be praise here" spanish forum are lot different that english one. but w/e. also your pets topics dont have anything different than the others...

if you want why -2 to the idea well:

1) really theyre not just reason to revive clockworks. what clockworks need its exclusive content that missions dont have, exclusive levels and rewards that not must be pets. the only thing that pets will make its lag us more in haven or clockworks. hell you dont even know how some people lags when some guy its using trollaris spam in the clockworks lets not talk about when were playing in the hours where server have most players online. yeah that will really fun (thought i know the lag its more likely to be associated with our internet connection or how far we are from the server) this anyway will lag anyone with the previous problem a lot more!.

2) boss pets? no thanks i remember when i was in haven and you and friends talking about how awesome will be a vanaduke pet.. the reason im agaisnt this its because vanaduke doesnt mean to be a beast or a animal to be tamed and make it pet. was the king of almire, the fallen king of almire who sold his soul to the devil (well the vog..) so why we going to have a vanaduke pet? the idea it just rediculous. also there few beast type of enemies that can be tamed and make it pets.. i dont count the others because they mean to be in a society, for example devilites... why a devilite pet? they have some kind of rank as society.

3) puzzles with pets? i think that will make the pets AI a bit trouble for the DeV team, and only that, lets not talk about the bugs and problems that will bring with it once they got implemented. what if a pet get stuck and make you wait forever to solve the puzzle? a lot of time wasted and that really will not make people to go to the clockworks. we need a clockworks revival with more content exclusive for it. but not things like this. just look the walking NPC that sometimes get stuck on the walls... now with your pets?... no thanks

4) leveling.. but they dont attack? oh well where i heard the idea of pets that attack? oh yeah pokemon!. -.- still not a reason to have pets in spiral knights. basically we going to have a bunch of magikarps... yeah that will rock. there only 2 MMORPG where i know pets leveling (because those two are the ones i played before) and honestly i dont see the point to level a pet that with every level with just learn a new trick...

Sorry to sound a bit harsh and not im not destroying your topic only giving my opinion and well the previous one was a suggestion for you because I KNOW you dont tolerate a lot of people who dont agree with you (thats why youre telling me to post in your spanish forum :P so you can give flame back with your "friends") but sorry i dont going to grant your wish.

dont expect lot of players will like your idea you will see what i mean :) but yeah thats my opinion. Oh if you dont want to feel alone and bored you can talk with your friends or your guild, but having a virtual pet that will not change the things for you and you will feel the same in less time lets say the "pets" get implemented you will be happy with that for maybe 1 or 2 weeks then you will feel again the same. so that suggestion really will not works.

i agree that clockworks need a revival but this not going to make it live again. exclusive content prolly will do it. if you are bored of the monoty of spiral knights its your fault. i know yo dou always LD or vanaduke from missions, where is your wish to revive clockwork if you keep doing the same with the missions? at least i go to clockworks in search for the DF shield, or some recipes, or just for the fun to revive old time, but i just dont stick to missions or i will ended bored too. also you dont need a peet to feel lonely :) i make new friends everytime i help them in their missions or just joining them in the clockworks in a random party.

But whatever, good luck anyway. because the storm its coming.

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 18:05
#8
Skyguarder's picture
Skyguarder
And when do people ever use logic?

We have the pet agent which came once or more in Spiral knights. It sold mewcats, etc... I'm not sure if pets will blend in the game because of your details. We can just add more pet accessories. That would be a good idea

Wed, 11/07/2012 - 18:44
#9
Aumir's picture
Aumir
Jeez

@Sweet-Hope: So do you mean this? No wonder my suggestions here don't tend to get much response either. By the way, the Spanish community is the 2nd biggest in the game and we have there some of the best players. But hey, we are still a joke and only have a guild, huh? We just post less in the forum because we KNOW is sort of meaningless and only a few of us like the "forum game".

Also I didn't want to reply in the actual Spanish topic so as not to get blamed of that by people like you here. So, I give my support to this suggestion. Why? It is well redacted, has lots of possible expansion and interesting features, and if you think the game is too easy Three Rings can always make it harder or make Tier 4 already.

+1 Vykhram, keep those good ideas coming. Also, don't feel the need to post them here, Clotho gathers them and sends them to OOO too... if I post them here is just to get more feedback about them, like I care if they troll my topics.

Oh, pups in bags AREN'T pets. They are just like Sniped Stranger Hats. Pets in like, every single MMO out there is quite more complex. At least the majority of GOOD MMO games I played.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 08:45
#10
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope
@Aumir: the reason why they

@Aumir: the reason why they dont post here its either: because all those people dont tolerate other people point of view or critics (like you) OR they dont know english simple as that, not because people like me. how many of the ideas where shot down on the english forums with reasonables arguments than "oh thats great oh thats nice! yeah epic!" like spanish forum does?. many times dont come here because "people like me".

besides, not matter how well written or structured its the idea, if it a bad idea its a bad idea. pets idea? its like eat everytime the same dish over and over again. this not the best pet thread i ever read neither a good one to get implemented in the game. why since the start of the game we dont have pets? we should have pets a long ago if devs would like to give us pets. pets as accesories as benightz says its Ok, but not like the last threads of pèts (including this one). and OOO tend to nerf content anyway. and still waiting for a good level with nice difficult like the old days not with enemies with an AI that make looks harder a Goomba.

and hey this not your typical MMo this a unique MMo why throw it the same stuff that have other MMo? i played other MMo have pets but here as many other players dont like the idea of pets. why so many times pets thread its shot down? because the same thing: its not needed not because the other pets thread were bad structured or written its because the idea of pets isnt factible on spiral knights.

Oh BTW, when i said the spanish forum its a joke ITS ONLY the forums. the only persons i look that theyre doing good posts are: mereke, Juances, little juances and a few others. the rest of spanish forum its a simple joke. while we are the second biggest community of spiral, how many of them post there? just the same fellows of the same guild. there some threads that are worthy thought but like the 90% of the forum really its a joke.

Many others will post why pets isnt a good idea like always im not the first doing that.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 02:44
#11
Xxpapaya's picture
Xxpapaya
The papaya laughs even more

@Sweet-Hope Well, the original name for Pokemon was Pocket Monsters. Flip those two words around and you get everyone's favorite accessories =)

Still don't think we should have pets. We are "surviving" on the planet, not trying to make life bliss so far. According to the storyline most of the knights just wanna go home.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 17:11
#12
Bleyken's picture
Bleyken
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+1 Vykhram
Monsters pokets are ****

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 20:10
#13
Vykhram's picture
Vykhram
@Sweet-Hope

With that argument of 'give more lagg in Haven', thinks the update of Guilds, hardly anyone will be in Haven because everyone will start to stay in their Guild Halls, to show how great they are with all their stuff in at most , you will find vendors who sell are made in Haven 1.

I did not have approval from many friends, hopefully two or three whom I consider friends. I agree that the Spanish forum is a joke, it's true ... but equally there are certain things that we want to note in the English forum. I came with the intention of here would know if you agree or disagree, and I came for something to expand my horizons rather is, I expand to give ideas Spanish forum because I know they will say 'yes, you are right', but, perhaps this forum is not desired.

The suggestion is that these 'pets' they call the Pocket, are horribly pathetic, maybe cute, but pathetic.

PS: I remember you came from our forum, if you say we're trash, you also qualify you for having left our humble and humorous forum.

-Vykhram-

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:23
#14
Sweet-Hope's picture
Sweet-Hope
Ok lets see. shall we?

@Xxpapaya : LoL i know dude, when i read they were "monster pockets" the first thing that come in my mind was "Pocket monsters oh Pokemon!"

@Vykhram
With that argument of 'give more lagg in Haven', thinks the update of Guilds, hardly anyone will be in Haven because everyone will start to stay in their Guild Halls, to show how great they are with all their stuff in at most , you will find vendors who sell are made in Haven 1.

While could be truth that some guilds would have players on their guild halls. what can make you say for sure "everyone" and more what can make you say "everyone will have a neat guild hall with all the stuff in the video" for sure most of the guilds in the english havens and prolly a few in the spanish one. however youre forgetting something: Your pets will require more server memory, more memory wasted means more lag. its not only your computer that its working for the game, its the entire server. More info on the server requires more memory, why wasted that in something that will die quickly than new content?. also lets no forget that OOO use the spiral knight server for their server files too. So... whats the point to have pets? as Luiguiru said we only need the one who throw us the idea of have gyms and pets trainers to battle them as Spiralmon...

In short: they will lag us not matter if we are on a populated haven or in a guild hall. the info of them still working on the server and that will require more memory and not lets talk about every player owning 1 o 3 that will be more memory on the player database and so on and on. lag to hell. no thanks we dont need that. (and while they still requires a rank to get one. everyone will get one sooner or later. i will post at the bottom WHY accesories as pet are more factible than any other of the pets idea).

i should bring you some of the pets threads so you can read why them arent factible for spiral knights? Ok. here is the Pet thread list.
===(i will post the links when the forum searcher works for some reason im still getting error 504 if someone can post that list i will appreciate it).===

I did not have approval from many friends, hopefully two or three whom I consider friends. I agree that the Spanish forum is a joke, it's true ... but equally there are certain things that we want to note in the English forum. I came with the intention of here would know if you agree or disagree, and I came for something to expand my horizons rather is, I expand to give ideas Spanish forum because I know they will say 'yes, you are right', but, perhaps this forum is not desired.

^ look above who post +1 to your ideas and tell me if im wrong. anyways i dont doubt there some other fellow forumers will post a +1 to your idea but they will be less than the ones that post -1 to your idea. dont surprise yourself. pets arent a idea that going to work with spiral knights. if you think about it most of those MMo that have pets are beings that live in that world. we spiral knights dont live on craddle, as papayax says we are just looking for the way to go home, not to make a life here. and if you try to bring me the argument of Nona as the pet daycare i will tell you something: according to the pocket monster description we are only taking care of them until they grown up and release them on the clockworks so they can move on on their lifes without us << in short: they dont mean to stay with us forever. but as accesories and in the game side. they will stay as long we want to keep that accesories.

Im only agaisnt this because this mean more lag and something that will not worth to have in a long run. but hey some good ideas from spanish forum have come out from there. but some of them, even well written and structured will not work. but that not mean i will be always agaisnt it. just the ones will not work and its my opinion as this idea is your opinion right?.

The suggestion is that these 'pets' they call the Pocket, are horribly pathetic, maybe cute, but pathetic.

i come now with my part of "why pets as accesories will work rather than a virtually working pet". you know why accesory? simple: the rate about how many players can afford would be low. and thats some kind of benefit, will mean have something unique and less memory usage for the server. the perfect way to have one. you will no see 30 of them at the same time in the same place, less lag *yay* ( i should say how many times i see, you and people says LAG when haven its so populated or well lets not say when haven its populated lets say when the server its busy with the bunch of online players at that time?).

Even a "Flying Snipe Aura" around us will work better and lot accepted by the players because its an accesory.

also as being unique they will worth more Cr in a long run for whatever who can afford it. also they dont involve AI or some programming like a virtual pet will require. so its a plus for the devs to save some codes that on long run will make funny bugs on the server. why do you think they take a lot of time to fix bugs? specially that the main programmer Andrejz leave the spiral Team? because they dont made the code of the game. was the programmer who leave the team. adding something without care its going to damage the game. so no thanks.

PS: I remember you came from our forum, if you say we're trash, you also qualify you for having left our humble and humorous forum.

While its truth that i am spanish player my first post was done here and im more active here i just only come on the spanish forum since i saw some interesting threads that Clotho wasnt there to answer and if i have the knownledge about the matter i answer it to help the fellow who ask about it.

i never say the forum was a trash. i only say was a Joke (thats something that everyone do there if someone dont agree with the whole group its considered a menace or im wrong?). so please dont put words i never said.

humble and humorous? i will say humorous. but humble ? yeah. people there is humble... always nice to help. oh how about the guys who posted their victory over snarbolax with proto set? all of the forumers were humble? no instead they got humiliated.. please. the only one who was humble was NC-Rage. prove me if im wrong. lets no talk about when someone its in haven ask for help and says "sorry out of energy" then go to vanaduke? i always saw that and many times you or others did it on the same way. i dont going to say im humble i have my defects but at least if i can, i help them. the only reason you never look me in haven its because i play with my main account. this it just my alt.

But i dont going to bring this matter here. since were talking about the idea about if is good or bad for the game. but i have to put that because you said things that i never would say.

PS: Where Fehzor answers? since you say you will answer any question. (the only thing left to be said to me is that im a animal abuser because i dont want pents to battle or carry things for me lol).

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 22:59
#15
Luguiru's picture
Luguiru

Does this mean no Spiralmon? I was looking forward to raising a Red Roverzard to beat all six status gyms and capturing legendary bosses.

In what little seriousness I can offer at the moment, this all still goes against the point of being able to travel everywhere in the Clockworks. Sometimes energy doors are involved, other times switches need to be hit (not that these can be called actual puzzles, though that could be remedied with a few clever designs Three Rings is probably too busy creating the next twenty promos to even consider working on), but in the end you can still stomp on every floor tile. The only gameplay aspect that seems to come from this is having the pet enter areas which we should already be able to enter with a bunch of generic pet nonsense glued on its back.

If someone made a Spiralmon thread I would go for it as a minigame. Anyone? I would do it myself but I have enough to sit on. I promise not to laugh myself into a coma. Okay, maybe for a little while, but once they zap me back we can mess around with it.

Before doing that weird thing called sleep, one last thing. Another Wakfu reference. Because they have pets. I promise it will be relevant at the end. Pets over there offer no gameplay difference, but instead give you some bonuses depending on the pet. Some pets give more max health, others damage bonuses, others other stuff; functionally they would be our equivalent of trinkets, but instead of having to keep a trinket slot active you have to feed it to keep it alive and level it up. Leveling it improves the bonus it gives you. If you fail to feed it once every three days (it knows if you are even one second late) or more often than every eight hours (again, it knows down to the second) it loses one health. All pets start with twenty health. If you die in battle with the pet equipped, it loses one health. When the pet has zero health its bonus is nullified unless you revive it with some cheap item anyone can craft within minutes, but you still have to keep food for it, and they are all picky eaters; fortunately on its menu it tells you what it likes. How does this translate over to Spiral Knights? Like several other factors people always say they want (housing, healing weapons, etc.), this game is a hipster. Our levels are completely based on our equipment. We have no set in stone class system. I can throw compare and contrasts at you for hours, but you only care about the point: it contrasts too heavily with what defines this game. Imagine trying to convince people chess should involve reviving where you can skip your turn to get a low rank piece back.

Thu, 11/08/2012 - 23:38
#16
Mzculet's picture
Mzculet
Er-

Sorry I did not read he whole block of text...but in someways do you guys think we can use pets as crown sink? Such as:

#a monthly bill or something you have to pay for the pet.
#buying food using cr..

BUT the pets may only appear in haven bought or RARELY found in the clockworks....meaning you can't take them on clockworks runs but you can keep them in haven..

Also you can only buy a maximum of 3 Pets and only 2 can walk around In haven with you.
Reminder failure of feeding or paying bills will make you lose pet. Unless they are in care or some kind of pet pound.

Fri, 11/09/2012 - 05:07
#17
Artistbma's picture
Artistbma
Food?This isn't Webkinz.

Food?

This isn't Webkinz.

Edit: It's not Club Penguin for that matter either.

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