Back when we had mist system:
> You need to pay real money for Promo.
> You can't explore the game since you only can play 10 level a day. With that limit, you only can play FSC so it will not become a waste.
> Buy elevator pass with real money.
> Buy DLC with real money.
> Heating are easy.
> Old revive system which allows teamwork and make the game more newbie friendly

Now:
> You can now pay CE for promo. More accessible to F2P
> You can explore the whole game freely.
> No mist, so no need for ele pass.
> DLC are now purchasable with CE
> Forge system which annoyed a lot of people.
> New revive system which being hindrance to teamwork. But now death mean something, instead of "oh im ded? cool."
> Bribe Krogmo is not worth anymore.

I'm not arguing with OP or something. I just want make a comparison for those who are confuse. Kbye.

The french community talked to Atalanta for about an hour and she answered a lot of question, instead of copy/pasting my whole Thread, you should head here to read it....

What's funny is that people will still whine even though we got an answer on the Radiant drought

Hey Annilaton. I like heard that the Dev team is not with the Community Management Team. I lahk heard they rarely communicate significantly. So lahk yeah. Poor Eury.

I also like heard that Energy revive prices are a lot cheaper. By 980 Energy at times. So lahk yeah.

Hey, I lahk heard that SEGA isn't doing that well. And that acquiring companies costs money. Like, a lot. Yeah. 4real.

...

Alright, acting like a typical teenager on the internet was a worse idea than giving sharks acid flamethrowers.

Now we even see Winterfest as a disaster, with more grinding because, guess what? Lack of energy system. Why isn't any of these events beta tested yet? I don't see a fit reason to disallow these event missions to be beta tested. Has anyone even brought up this point?

Hey hey hey hey hey. Guess what. You know that Impostoclaus Hat? Before, last year, it could be gotten from promo boxes, which came with any 10$ or more purchase. And it was only a chance. You could get other stuff possibly too. Sometimes only confetti and snowballs. Yep.

Alright, my intellectual half of my brain is now flaming my stupid side, so time to act more intelligent.

Does OOO not have any power over what they make their game to be like?

Not much really. It's called a contract. Have you ever seen those stereotypical used car salesmen and stuff? Those contracts and such are worded in a precise manner to milk money out of you.

So what will it be? I do dearly hope that OOO can at least bite back at Sega if they are the cause of all these.

Sure. And then afterwards SEGA will chew OOO's butt off by breaking off their sponsoring so OOO will have even less money to develop!

OOO is failing to keep in touch with the SK community.

Have you ever seen other MMO forums?

Generally the forge system is practically another way of cashing in on the consumers. It is completely scandalous.

And 20 bucks a month elevator passes (giving you 100 free energy a day technically), extraordinarily powerful P2P weapons, and the like didn't bother you at all?

It is because OOO has failed as a community master to coerce with the whole of community.

You just gave me a rare condition. Like, the kind that makes you travel back in time and type like a typical internet teenager for a few minutes. How about this; you do some research on how a gaming team works, with specific members doing forums, others art, throw in some human miscommunication and such, the fact that community managers are the least paid peeps in the gaming industry usually, and throw in human lack of communication as well.

I think people need to wait longer before we start yelling a lot again.

Like my daddy always told me; "Yelling never helps anyone or anything. Talk normally, or don't talk to me at all".

I'm serious.

@Zaffy-Laffy

I just sit here and talk about things. Sometimes only once per thread. Unless it's that good.

^0 times per thread would be nice

I was suspicious that the CMs and the GMs didnt communicate. Odd. And I would really like to know what is goibg on. But that is probably private info. :/

As Rick Aurlius Ovilun Pousio Bauro Junis Carndis Lucius Garen say: "When one proclaim tyranny over expression in these humorous and unimportant silly matters, one will expect no seriousness to come over those who have tried and worked passively in the faces of those too arrogant and proud to care for the powerful that has not yet come to be."
He was wise.

Do you think Three Rings is meeting up to SEGA's expectations? Should we be afraid if SEGA cuts them loose? (Do they plan to cut Three Rings loose?)

Dang, this really brings into how OOO is having troubles right now. It won't be long now before they add something else that saps players' money. Or...they are bringing old SK back....This is insane....

How do we know that SEGA and OOO even talk to one another?

They almost certainly have some relation, but we don't know for sure anything about whats going on behind the scenes. Unless someone has legitimate evidence to the contrary, of course.

It baffles me how Spiral Knights has reached a player base of 1 million players, or something around those lines? Was it that there have been a million accounts made? I forgot exactly what the celebration was of. Either way, if Spiral Knights has gained such a player base, then how come on Steam I see an average of 1.5k to 2k people, online on Spiral Knights? Yes, I do know that the Puzzle Pirates staff has done partnerships with other gaming sites, like Kongerate and Steam, and some other places, and I know that Spiral Knights itself has its own player base, too (people who play spiral knights via the spiral knights homepage and the three rings website), and there's playing Spiral Knights through Facebook as well, but this does not exclude that ingame, there is to be about an average of less than 5k people online in the game? I do not know if this is a fact or not, but I do know that I can almost guarantee you that pick up groups in Spiral Knights, hoping for full parties, is very very scarce to find. So, where are these "1 million players" suppose to bloody be? The game should be overloading with a boom in population!

Elevator passes were only $6 a month. Anyway...

- If Sega of America is actually controlling everything Three Rings does then the game could potentially get better if the contract was broken.

- If Sega of America is not controlling everything Three Rings does then except the game to stay the same if the contract was broken.

- Removing the elevator and mist system just allowed players to grind FSC even more.

- Now Three Rings has to find a new way to get money. Limiting Radiance drops to mostly Shadow Lairs at least means someone is spending Crystal Energy to get a Shadow Key. Crystal Energy comes from $$$.

- If they revert Radiance drops back to normal FSC giving the most then they will need to yet again find a new way to get $$$ to keep running.

- Three Rings needs $$$ to run. No matter what they change to "please" the players they will need to devise a new way to make $$$.

I could keep going but I believe I've made enough statements above to give some of the other people a little bit of intelligence about what they are doing with.

tl:dr

For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. This applies to everything.

Three Rings does indeed need money to run. Many of the players fail to understand this. We don't donate money unless we feel like we need to, as in, we need to buy certain said thing from Spiral Knights. Other than that, willingly, there is almost no reason to buy energy just for the heck of things. "We'd all rather grind and work hard than take the easy way to reach our goals". <- Yessss, how do we fight such an ideology? It's hard! .. so, you can't, and so, you must find ways to get them to donate money to the game. We're the reason, US, the PLAYERS, are the reason why there is a Radiant Shard drought. Our lack of support and donations to the Puzzle Pirates crew is the reason that we must suffer!! Three Rings need to find what we want to spend money on for this game, and it should be things that don't irritate us, like cheap reskins and trickery promos.

The thing I don't like about OOO is that they prefer the swordies.

"Really Dermog? The Gunner Update is just around the corner." - Everyone

I know that, but I'm not seeing enough love toward Bombers. Their weapon category has just as many holes.

I want bombers to be a little less scarce. There aren't enough people playing as them.

I believe they can be found in any elite depth 28 (tends to be Vanaduke depth). Last time I did an Arcade run, I noticed this, anyway. A friend mentioned that he got them (much more rarely) at d27, but I figured it'd be a [faster?] alternative to Vana... or maybe about the same since arcade-based path would mean you have to go from d19 to Basil, whereas Vana is a set amount of levels.

------

I might have said this before, but lowering the Radiant spawn rate can be an upper-management way of testing to see whether or not Radiant Crystal/end-game heating is an effective way of pushing players to spend money (since the pay-for-playtime system is gone). I used to work for an F2P game company and against designer (...and our whole team's) wishes, we were forced to do something similar: push difficulty in a way that literally made the game pay-to-win. It was an absolutely terrible idea and we lost almost our entire playerbase.

Anyway, money speaks. If people actually buy and use the 700CE to buy the Radiant Crystals in a significant way, then it's a "success" and they'll keep it as is. If not (and say, paying players leave or straight up boycott buying those), then they're likely to push it back up. If your protests can hold out, they'll push the drop rates higher eventually.

I have a friend who has spent at least $50 on SK but he isn't willing to spend money to heat 5* items. 700 CE for a -chance- at a single weapon level is a huge ripoff.

The main differences between SK and that game I worked on is that:
- SK is at least kinder to new players [and their moves show focus on bringing in and keeping new players], whereas the other game stabbed itself in the gut and bled players all over the floor after the first 2-3 stages - literally after an hour or so's worth of playtime.
- SK is fun and at least playable even if you get stuck in that latter-game 4* state. The other game wasn't.

--------
Video games (and as a cruel reminder, especially F2P games) are business and a way for persons to make money. If anyone (OOO, [snickers] players) is to make a powerful argument towards doing something, it needs to be done in terms of money.

"Players are unhappy!" doesn't mean anything. "Our tracking data says that despite lowering the rate of Radiant Crystal spawns, sales of Radiant Crystals are still insignificantly low. Retention of players that have recently crafted a 5* item has dropped" might.

^^^
^^^
if all ppl do that just on 2 weeks-1 month, im 100% sure radiant back in game;
but people don't want to do anything , they like to complain only >_<

btw my personal boycott in *ON* mode

Except that there's people out there with 6-digit amounts of Energy. Who got it without paying a cent.
But all the CE comes from paying $$. Maybe you didn't pay, but someone else did.

Boycott all spending on OOO until the radiants come back! Use your power as a potential customer to tell them what you want!
*laughing* sorry, it reminded me a Real Life situation. People saying they wouldn't buy until prices got lower... and it worked.

All OOO problem can be explained in one word:

Consistency

We want constance on news, info, what's going on, balance patch so we don't farm like crazy an event you will make easier 1 week later (Grinchlins and Apocrean fix are laughable at how far away you were from "decent")

If OOO were consistant, none of this would happen, we would've been warned for Radiant, for bugfixes, the game would be better overall with a little communication and CONSISTENCY!!!

1% drop on an imposto kit

Fast forward one year

the item is buyable from SD at 3.5k ce a piece!!!

wtf? seriously? be consistant!

Why did you necro this again?