Good luck in your future endeavors, even though I don't really know who you are.

"looking up gay adult material (I was only 12 then)"
gosh you were worse than me.

It's a pain to hear you had to hide who you are, because of your parents' heavily outdated and bigoted views. At the very least, it's nice that a slice of this toxin-ridden community help you come to terms with your identity and accept who you are, and bring you joy. Best wishes for your future.

Ignore the Debbie-downers. They're just bitter for being treated the way they themselves are behaving. Also, somewhat relevant.

No offense, but the forums are a place of free expression and thought, as long as it falls within the right side of the rules. If you or Phantom want to complain about it, that's your prerogative. Also, I find it highly ironic that Phantom is bashing on VBH for a well-intentioned farewell post when he constantly comes on the forums to complain about not getting the attention and respect he thinks he deserves.

haters gon' hate. ~Z

This is one of the few farewell threads that is excused from getting hate. He didn't make a big deal about it. He just gave his thoughts and his experience from playing this game. Congratz on coming out, and happy travels.

I agree with Hero-Of-Cheese, I mean besides for hate that some *cough*Phantom*cough* people give I hope you have a good life. /waves

I'll miss you, Venomous Biohazard. I never got to know you so much outside of the forums, and you seem to be much younger than myself or at least a bit, but it was nice knowing you and I generally enjoyed your posts. I'd comment on your social issues, but then the GMs would come on and very deliberately pick me out of the hate comments and smite me into oblivion cuz I'm strangely akin to a man that doesn't understand why his girlfriend left him 3 years ago.

And hey, you don't have to leave forever, you can always come back. So keep your stuff, and wait for the gunner update in however long. Could be all of 2 days.

You made me cry bro, something the forums have never done to me, I respect you and your way to stand up to the community like this, and more importantly, to stand up to that big-mouth hamachi.

Hamachi, grow a heart, and perhaps some more pity, you severely need it.

My friend, it's been too long. I'm glad to hear that things are working out for you, sir, and remember, I'm only a couple of hours away. You were always a joy to chat with.

Glad to have been there for you, and I'm thrilled your brothers and Dad were cool with it. Hearing that makes me a happy camper.

Don't know who you are, but you have my respect. /e puts on formal attire and salutes Venomousbiohazard as he journeys onward in life.

The thread may die but not the thread that ties us SK players together.

/e leaves dramatically into the night.

I'm glad you can overcome what others say, and accept yourself for who you are. After all, we live life to be happy, so why settle for less?

I'm glad that Spiral Knights has been able to help you through your times of trouble. I find that its cute art and simple gameplay keep pulling me back in whenever I feel down. I'd reckon you keep your account alive as a little piece of history, as we should never leave something behind that is a part of ourselves.

From us, to you: <3

I don't understand what you want mate? I always believe someone should speak freely if they 100% believe themselves to be right, even if you're wrong, accept advice from others and correct yourself. In the end the actions you make determine the type of person you are.

I honestly don't believe you mean harm. Maybe someone is putting you up to this for jokes, maybe you want to get back at those who did you wrong or maybe you're just bored of SK and need some amusement. Either way you're not doing yourself any favours. I don't mind sticking up for anyone who I feel is being treated unnecessarily but by acting this way I find it hard to do just that. Be yourself but be mindful of others.

@ everyone hating on Venomousbiohazard mom. Shame on you. A mothers role is to protect her child. Based on present circumstances and the situation she was in, anger took over and things might have gone too far. A mothers love for their child comes from God. That bond can never be broken. Whether she is wrong or right to get mad you don't have that right to insult someone you don't even know.

Besides this is a farewell thread so leave it at that. Does every thread on this forum have to be stained?

Edit: BTW I'm not religious. I do believe in God and try my best to practice, but my understanding comes from experience and reading. Maybe I am lucky enough to have awesome friends and a loving family.

"Protection" is now defined as 'oppression through bigoted views'? Good grief. Leave me defenseless, then.

"Bigot" was your word. You are accusing someone unknown to you of bigotry based on a one sided story. Is this how the law works now? Someone is accused of a crime by one person so we all gather pitchforks and proceed like animals to the accused? This isn't a thread where we form opinions on other people, respect Venomousbiohazard decision to leave by bidding him farewell. I personally don't think any son or daughter would like to read anyone insulting their mother, no matter the circumstances.

This isn't an argument. If you feel you are doing something right then carry on. I'm sharing my opinion as you are sharing an opinion on his mother. It's not an issue unless you make it one.

@ Draycos: yes bad parents do indeed exist. But that pain the mother goes through during delivery is something she can never forget. There will always be something there for her child. As a man I can't explain it. You can keep your distance away from your family as long as you like. But in the end something draws you back. Saying sorry then will be too late.

Edit: We don't know the "reason" why she got mad and it would be ignorant to jump to your own conclusions on only hearing one side. You have made something out of nothing, by moving this threads intention to your own assumption. If no - one was willing to say you are wrong in fear of things escalating, at least I was.

Venomousbiohazard my advice to you is sort things out with your mom as you have done with your dad and brother. She will be hurting, anger gets the best of us all. Things will eventually calm and you will find yourself an even happier person.

A parent has every right to fix their child if they believe, "if they believe", harm may come to them (child). He was young and learning what life was. His parents most likely didn't approve of him watching adult material on the internet, (which parent would) which is where things escalated (I can only go off what Venomousbiohazard has said here, I'm doing my best to choose my words carefully not to offend anyone), it's natural for any parent to get "over protective" at that instance.

At such an early age what does he know what he is doing is right or wrong? So what, the first time in his life he watches obscene content on the internet and in that instance he realises his sexual orientations? Who are you guys kidding? He said he was learning. He didn't know where he stood, he was confused. At that age feelings are very powerful. We have all been through it. That's why you confine in family. He was unfortunate to get caught. I'm sure if he was open and upfront, maybe wait for the right time to tell his parents, things would have turned out different. Fear was probably there and I get that.

My point is we are in no place to judge someone we don't know. I agree she may have taken things far, hence why I keep mentioning the word anger, but I can't insult her for the actions she took. In her mind she was doing what she thought was right at the time for her son. I can come out cleanly and say things should have been handled better at the time, but personally I would feel very bad if I accused someone of being something they turn out not to be, when I hear their version. Unfortunately we will never know both sides. So again don't say something to try and act clever when you don't know anything.

Yep and the SK forum is a great place to relieve your burden when there are some people who find it difficult to remain neutral when they only hear one side of the coin.

I actually feel more sorry for Venomousbiohazard having to hear his mom being called a Bigot. If he is that angry with his mom and doesn't care. Well then that's another matter for another time. Regardless I hope I made some of you aware, if anyone wants lecturing on the difference between blindly accusing someone of something before and then after knowing all the facts feel free to contact me in game.

I didn't give my opinion on his mother's actions, nor will I give my opinion on Venomousbiohazard. Clearly in my third paragraph in my response to you I said she may have taken things too far, but for reasons only a mother would know. Don't put words into my mouth please.

What I am saying is not wrong. What some of you are saying about her is wrong, because you have not heard her reason for doing what ever she has been accused to have done. But if you think you are right and know the full story, carry on doing what you think is best :)

In case you still don't understand me. I'm not saying to take sides. I'm saying wish this guy best of luck and keep your perspective neutral without directly insulting someone. I brought up mothers rights because some of you have got this concept of "oppression" from Venomousbiohazard of his mom and to satisfy yourself you are right, you're running with it, without looking both ways.

Family issues should never be discussed on this forum or any forum. Everyone has different opinions and honestly I think I'll stop now as things will only get worse as I myself don't know the full story and can only go off what I have read. Which is a one sided version. Hence why I have only based this argument on people accusing someone unknown to them with no direct (calling someone a Bigot is direct) reference to the actions of Venomousbiohazard or his mom.

"She was doing what she thought was right for her son."
"It's natural for any parent to get over-protective."

This is what I'm 'putting words into your mouth' for.

You're pretty much saying 'it's OK if she did something badly, she had good intentions'. This is what I'm up in arms against. [Ex: Anti-vaccination movement]

If you're so concerned about people judging somebody they'll never know in situations like this...

Replace "Your mom is a bigot."
with "Your mom sounds like a bigot."

If that's still not right, use this: "Here's what I think about your situation."

And if that's not okay either: "I think I understand what you're going through."

It's a form of support.

She was doing what she THOUGHT was right for her son.

Is not the same as

I THINK she is doing something right for her son.

There is a big difference. Either you see that but don't want to accept it, and you are trying to make up excuses or you simply don't know.

Again you don't get what I am saying, you said things and I responded. The funny thing is you didn't say anything towards her, you got involved for no reason. You have built up a negative image of someone and strongly believe she has done what Venomousbiohazard has said she has done. Maybe she was OTT but who are we to judge? We don't know her and we don't know the reason why she did what she did. Why isn't anyone assuming Venomousbiohazard maybe was rude to his mother for her to get all mad? Maybe Venomousbiohazard is being OTT after all he did get caught watching obscene adult material on the internet. Any mother would be mad lol.

The best thing to do is support him by not offending anyone especially his mother. You guys seriously don't know how to judge a situation correctly without being too extreme for one side. In real life at home if you heard someone do something wrong from one person, would you go and punish the accused, or would you sort things out by judging who was right by listening to both sides?

My gripe is people ASSUMING she is a Bigot based on Venomousbiohazard version. My boss told my colleague once when she assumed something of someone not knowing the full story and complained to the boss, trying to get his side.

"When you assume wrongly, you are making an ASS out of U and ME"

Edit: @Phantomhamachi nice to see someone uses this forum with an open mind. I tip my hat to you sir.

Am I the only person who finds it ironic that more hate, unrest and derailing came from the community's response to Phantom's comment than Phantom's comment itself?

Buttons pushed, troll succeeded, you all are as spiteful as the people you accuse. Must be easy to spit out angry comments at the people who seem apathetic and sympathize with those telling a sad story.

And if you think I'm taking sides here, I say nay.

You actually have a good point there. If you feed a troll, they win. If you don't, you win.

The argument here is over nothing really.
I agree. What is the point of war, if it ends with death?

You can judge me on all the evidence I've given. There is no amount of atoning that can redeem me now.

Like I said. You were treated badly by some idiots. I don't condone some of your actions but I don't disregard them. I feel the same way sometimes. Trying to get your point across without people assuming what they want to think is very difficult here. It's clear who was in the wrong and who tried to make them realise their wrong doing. If it's not my place to correct someone it's not their place to say something wrong with no thought.

@ Jabbzz sorry, I mean why would you explain your actions when it is irrelevant to the argument that was going on.

Edit: In all fairness I'm being told I am wrong when I told someone they are wrong for assuming Venomousbiohazard's mom is a bigot with no evidence this kid was actually treated the way he describes. I find that very disrespectful towards his mom. That's were the argument began.

Edit: I'm not coming back to this thread again so either accept what I said and realize what Whimsicality did was wrong. Or carry on doing what you think is right. At the end of the day my slate is clean, and I'm not someone to kid myself. Quote this last part if you like, it doesn't bother me.