Spiral Knights - Legacy Achievements on Steam

Legacy Achievements on Steam

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Tue, 05/06/2014 - 02:38

Juuyon

I'm aware this has been discussed before and seems to be a topic of some ire, but I wanted to give my input on this matter as well.

So I finally managed to link up my old Spiral Knights account to my Steam account (for some reason I always got an error message every time I attempted this before and I never really bothered contacting support about it). I went from 3 achievements (made the Steam SK account for the holiday achievement a few years ago) to 49 in less than a minute as they popped up directly after linking the accounts - great handling on that part, didn't expect my achievements to transfer that easily.

Back when I was actively playing I also managed to score five of the six "Legacy" achievements (only missing the 10k minerals one). Unfortunately, those didn't pop when linking the accounts. Kinda sad, but that's when I started to read into the devs' stance on these achievements.

I can understand the basic notion of only giving those achievements to people who earned them - but as one of those people who managed to gain pretty much all of them, I'm more irked I'll never get a 100% score on Spiral Knights even if I had achieved that last achievement back then.

So if you're completely blocking legacy achievements on Steam now, there's basically no reason not to remove them from there altogether. I'd be okay with that, as they still remain in-game. Also, if there ever *were* a technical option on Steam to keep achievements that do not count towards the completion tally (which there is currently not), it seems the devs should be able to pop those based on the in-game achievements - as is evident by me easily unlocking all my old achievements that I gained while playing with the Java client!

The prospect of being able to 100% Spiral Knights would be something that would at the very least get me playing the game again to hunt for the few achievements I'm still missing. And I know a bunch of people would consider playing Spiral Knights as well if it's something where 100% can finally be obtained. You'd make the game attractive to more people, while the old guard still has their legacy achievements in-game and would have the prospect of having them on Steam again if Valve ever decides to include such an option in their interface.

That's my two Krogmo coins on the issue. Please stay civil in discussing this.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 04:12

Mystrian

Legacy achievements?

Sorry I want to give my thoughts on this, but I don't know/have not really heard the term? Can you please explain what LA's are? Congrats on linking your steam account! I had issue also.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 04:17

Bitsbee

Legacy Achievements are Achiements that can no longer be obtained(Master Miner being one of them, due to the removal of depositing Minerals) & are viewed as reminders that this Knight managed to obtain it before they were removed.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 06:29

Mtax-Forum

I have no idea why devs are still keeping those. That makes no sense. It should be deleted from steam, but keeped ingame, so this would just allow us to say anyone that we gained this and allow new players to get 100% on Steam. Now it makes no sense, as I said - devs are keeping those but it CANNOT be fixed. I hope OOO will finally understand this.
SK have got pretty nice achievements, this only destroys it.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 08:31

Krakob

@Mtax

Indeed, it cannot be fixed. Removing them isn't a fix. It's more like shoving the problem under the carpet. I wouldn't be happy if they were to remove those cheevos from Steam, I worked hard to get at least the Mineral ones.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 09:29

Mystrian

LA's

But if you have gotten all the achievements say back in 2012, shouldn't you have 100%?

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 10:36

Mtax-Forum

@Krakob

You will still have them ingame, so you will lose nothing actually. No other way, thats all.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 12:52

Fangel

It would be nice if achievements could go over 100%

If the achieveable achievements were what 100% was out of, I would be fine with that on Steam. If Steam were to add a feature for achievements to be "over" that 100%, that would be the best of both worlds.

But that is something we would need to take up with Valve, not Three Rings.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 16:54

Kalak-Of-Tyr

I *really* wish they would

I *really* wish they would make the achievements available in some other way through the game. The idea of unachievable achievements really rubs me the wrong way, and I hate that I see 59/60 every time I load up the game. :(

It ISN'T just to take up with Valve. OOO could move the achievement to be achieved in some other way, or they could add in the NPC with no real meaning (like throwing my crystals down the drain, but at least getting the achievement).

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 18:47

Fehzor

I was also really hoping for an achievement titled "The 1987 Super Bowl" to be added, wherein the knight must deposit 100K minerals to earn it. Also, it would be hidden.

The description? Deposit enough minerals to change the outcome of history and win.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 18:50

#10

Fangel

To the suggestions board!

Fehzor, you do not know how much I want that to be an achievement now that you've mentioned it.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 19:27

#11

Fehzor

Oh but I want it more. 100 dollar energy purchase if it happens, right there.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 20:14

#12

Kalak-Of-Tyr

Fehzor, I hated that one GM's

Fehzor, I hated that one GM's comparison to the super bowl. What a stupid idea! Have you ever heard of an achievement where only one person/team gets it? I realize that's how it works in sports, but if we were playing sports, we wouldn't be on the internet. In the realm of video games, they only pulled that comparison out of their rear because it was the only thing they could think of to cover their laziness.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 20:17

#13

Sandwich-Potato

Dat logic doe. Not even a GM.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 20:29

#14

Blazzberry

I have no mouth and I need to scream

Of course. Blame OOO for being lazy when it's something to take up with valve themselves, because this is sooooooo high on the priority list for a developers 8 hour shift.

I can almost feel the facepalming of the OOO staff right now.

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 20:52

#15

Untrustful

I made a topic asking if it

I made a topic asking if it was possible to convert these achievements into artifacts, that way everyone wins.

http://wiki.spiralknights.com/Artifact

Tue, 05/06/2014 - 21:21

#16

Kalak-Of-Tyr

It's clearly not a Valve

It's clearly not a Valve issue. OOO picks up the achievement code where it previously was, and drops it somewhere else, somewhere accessible.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 12:57

#17

Perlippel

I'm sure virtually all view points have been voiced in previous threads, and it seems you're making a suggestion more than anything else, so why not put it in the correct subforum.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 13:24

#18

Shidara

@Kalak-Of-Tyr

>I hated that one GM's comparison to the super bowl. What a stupid idea! Have you ever heard of an achievement where only one person/team gets it?

It's a metaphor. You cannot achieve what is no longer available to achieve. You cannot achieve Master Miner because there are no mineral deposits anymore. You can't win the 1987 Super Bowl because it's not 1987 anymore. I cannot play content that doesn't exist.

>but if we were playing sports, we wouldn't be on the internet.

Dota.

>OOO picks up the achievement code where it previously was, and drops it somewhere else, somewhere accessible.

Gyre-Of-Guile: "On Steam it seems our only two choices are to delete the achievement or to mark it as "hidden". So we marked it as hidden, but unfortunately the achievement is still included in the overall count. I don't think there's a third option unless it's something someone at valve can do that we can't do."

As was mentioned, it is a techincal issue related to Steam which is beyond Three Rings' control. Whether Valve can or will do anything about it is anyone's guess but don't impale the messenger for the governor's lack of action. They don't want to delete those achievements for the players that achieved them and hiding them doesn't achieve the results they desire. Not their fault.

I do like Untrustful's proposal on the matter, though.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 15:00

#19

Klipik-Forum

@Shidara

"Dota."

I think you meant eSports.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 15:05

#20

Shidara

@Klipik-Forum

Yes... That's my point.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 20:06

#21

Kalak-Of-Tyr

@Shidara, that's not the only

@Shidara, that's not the only solution. They can just make it achievable again, through the same NPC, tucked away in a corner like the mystery alchemy machine is.

Wed, 05/07/2014 - 20:25

#22

Sandwich-Potato

But, like Gyre already pointed out, the game has changed. Look at the Megalodon armors back then. Gone now.

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