Spiral Knights - Rage promo... indeed.

Rage promo... indeed.

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Wed, 06/04/2014 - 12:33

Pepperonius

Aphrodite, while I appreciate the humor in your post, and we know Three Rings is a business, you guys know EXACTLY why players will rage about this one.

I, and others, have been more than willing to support the promos for the past three years with our dollars. The thing is, when you string promos back to back to back to back, the money well dries out. I have nothing left to give at the moment, as my SK budget is currently exhausted.

I'm in favor of promos, reskins, etc, as they are good filler for the time between content release. The problem at this juncture is that the promos are non stop. They no longer feel special, and frankly, I could careless about this one. Will I spend on it? No. When you release the next costume promo in 2 weeks, will I spend on it? No.

This sentiment is not just my own, it is shared by many. I've stated many times, I know this is a business, and I'm all in favor of Sega/OOO making money. The more you make, the better (in theory) it is for the players.

Sega, OOO, the promos need to be toned down so that they retain the "special" feel. At the moment, they have the "desperate" feel, and that concerns me greatly.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 12:47

Fehzor

"This sentiment is shared by many"

Really? How do you know? Do you have statistics? You can't make claims like that! Entire argument is now invalid.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 12:48

Dutch-Oven

It DOES kinda feel like ever since they went with the fully F2P model they've been pumping out promos trying to keep the money coming in. Not saying that's the case, just an observation.

ps. you couldn't care less, not "could careless" (sorry, that's one of my pet peeves :P)

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 12:51

Ironic-Biscuit

Fehzor

Read the forums recently, bucko? How many rage threads have been made about too many promos? Would you rather some tl;dr essay crammed down everyone's throat, making it difficult to read? How about a little chart, too. Would that appease your ego?

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 12:51

Eternal-Koniko

I'd be really happy if they

I'd be really happy if they made a promo with actual NEW items. Not just ugly recolors of old armor. Not just recolored accessories. Like seriously. I feel all these random recolors are devaluing the worth of ACTUAL costume items. All these hallowed and frosty stuff is really an eye sore. No one wants it. Those swimsuits were a good for making actual new stuff, but there being one in every theme really devalues it in my eyes. Why not just make the shirt gray, and the skirt and highlights on the shorts prismatic? I don't want to even thinking about MILITARY, DUSKY, DIVINE, FANCY, etc etc. Honestly, having all those "options" make them feel like junk items.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 13:01

Fehzor

@Ironic-Biscuit

Ah but those are the forums. They represent a tiny fraction of the playerbase, so they don't actually count. Nice try. Players could love being drilled in the face with recoloured junk promotions.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 13:08

Mushy-Bucket

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The comment at the end, "I know all you knights don't have anything to rage about, so you won't need this armor even a little bit," honestly annoyed me. It's kinda like HA u guise r all so mad no content lololol here's a promo HURRRR U MAD BRO?! At least, that's how I took it.

And I must agree with what was said above, they need to break up these promos with actual serious content updates. These promos are coming out on a weekly basis/bi-weekly basis. They loose any sense of being "special" and it just makes it look like there is very little work being done on real content (which seems likely). I'm fine with promos, I really am - but at least throw in some real content - not a really giant gremlin knocker that we can't even fight.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 13:13

Addy

The squeaky wheel gets the

The squeaky wheel gets the grease. Generally when people are happy with something, they don't go out of their way to say they're happy with it. But OOO knows I'm happy because I continue to buy these promos every two weeks. :3 (Also, you guys don't seem to realize: OOO has more information than you do about how well promos do. They can see exactly how much money is made, how many units are sold, how many crowns are spent via auctioning them, removing crowns from the economy that way, EVERYTHING. We can only guestimate based on observation, and honestly, I run into new vanguards every single day that I've NEVER seen before, so it's safe to assume there's a huge chunk of the player base missing from our observations and guesswork.)

I'm totally fine with the promos. They need an income and there are much, much worse ways they could be implementing them, rather than new cosmetics. The day I get upset at promos is the day that they release a pay to win Punch, or pay-only gear that actually matters a lot.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 13:20

Whimsicality

Concerning? Maybe. Something to be angry about? Well, that's why they named the Promo how they did.

Does it make the game any less fun to play? Well, I sure don't think that's the case. But hey, at least a certain somebody looks half-decent now.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 13:40

Pepperonius

@addy

The issue, as I stated, isn't promos; it's the frequency. I'm all for them making a profit, but come on... They are cramming reskins down our throat.

Now of course, the nice part is i dont have to buy into it, thus I save the money and don't lose out on game play. Great, in theory, except that we are dying for new content as well.

@fehzor

I will clarify for you. I have spoken to upwards of 30 paying players regarding this promo alone. Save one, we are all on the "too many, not participating" page.

Now, many is of course subjective here; i have not spoken to the vast majority of sk's player base, obviously i cannot. That said, when they do a survey, they take a sample of the population and use that pecentage to extrapolate how the consumers feel as a whole.
The forms function in this way ;we are a percentage of the community, but we are the vocal percentage. My data is not concrete, and thus my post is opinion, not fact. That doesn't change that a good portion of the replies here seem to agree with me.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 14:39

#10

Vishno

video games

"and I'm all in favor of Sega/OOO making money. The more you make, the better (in theory) it is for the players."

I had no idea call of duty was so good

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 14:46

#11

Midnight-Dj

COD is a good concept, it is like the grandfather of mordern day FPS, so the credit is definately going where it deserved, from COD1 to COD4: mordern warfare, the franchise was glorious and then WAW and MW2 came out and screwed everything up with zombies and other jazz. Every comapny needs to make money, if you know anything about the madden series, then COD in comparison is like a saint from the sky.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 16:32

#12

Bonjourhippo

I whole heartedly agree with

I whole heartedly agree with Perronius. We can't even catch our breath between promotions anymore, litterally. I'm not gonna claim everyone is pissed about it because clearly it's selling but I am pissed and I think that's reason enough to come forward and complain. I truly hope this promotion will be the last of a way too long streak.
The creative effort on it is let's be honest extremely low as well.

And what event exactly does this promotion refer to anyway? Summer was already used (a month ahead of the actual human summer too by the way), what exactly is rage referring to? The agonizing wait for new end-game content? Sounds like an inappropriate joke to me.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 16:39

#13

Parasthesia

The books and costume reskins

The books and costume reskins are nice! I like them, but I'm saving my wallet for more fun things.

At least we still have the release date of "when it's ready." A gunner update would be excellent any time now, Summer is prime time for player retention. More players = more monetarily successful promos and energy sales.

I would be more inclined to purchase energy to play with new content such as guns/armor more quickly and as "functional costumes" rather than unbindable and ultimately recycled prize content.

If this was Valve and the TF2 dev team, there's a lot of flack flying around when there are no new weapons or game modes added to the game. However, they have a large, likely better funded development team who work very hard to keep the game balanced.

I do think moving the games direction is moving in a positive one. But the pace is glacial.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 17:08

#14

Dolomitex

Add me to the list

I wasn't one of the 30 Perronius spoke with, but I completely agree with his post.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 17:18

#15

Blazzberry

SCP-96

Siding with pepperoni on this one.

I love this game and supporting it, don't get me wrong. But if this keeps up, the each promo wittles down to "do I really want this? Nah I'll just wait for the next one" or "I can't get this because of the last promo". I know its echo'ing the original post but they're really valid points.

I only bought stuff from the last promo because for once it was something that wasn't seen in before game....and I have a full body katsuit <3

Also some of us are dying to get the new magnus line weapons...please. ;-;

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 17:37

#16

Gbot-Vtwo

whos pepperoni???????

"Siding with pepperoni on this one."

"I love this game and supporting it, don't get me wrong. But if this keeps up, the each promo wittles down to "do I really want this? Nah I'll just wait for the next one" or "I can't get this because of the last promo". I know its echo'ing the original post but they're really valid points.

I only bought stuff from the last promo because for once it was something that wasn't seen in before game....and I have a full body katsuit <3

Also some of us are dying to get the new magnus line weapons...please. ;-;"

yep i agree! :) who is pepperoni tho? :/

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 18:10

#17

Autofire

You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

If you guys don't like this, you'd all hate Elsword Online. Not only do they have promos running all the time, they also have events that you have to grind for ALL THE TIME.

I think the idea is that you don't necessarily buy into ALL the promos. Just get the ones which you like. Ya know what I mean?

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 18:13

#18

Exerpa

>Make a Magic Book

>Make a Magic Book Accessory
>It can't be attached to the Magic Cloak

Also, why are you smashing 2 themes together these days?
Books + Rage
Shadow + Katastrophe
Valentines (Lovely) + spring halo/aura
Field caps + Anniversary

It looks like you are struggling to fill the boxes with themed items in a logical manner and are compromising the theme ideas in order to meet a deadline to get boxes for sale.
Were the field caps intended to be prestige rewards?
Was Lovely held back to be filler for Spring? Or was the Bunny stuff not finished in time?
Did you miss making proper Katastrophe costumes so Shadow was used as filler instead?
Was the Book supposed to be for Katastrophe but not completed in time? And as a follow up the Book itself is now the filler for Rage boxes?

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 18:26

#19

Abelisk

I don't understand why you all care so much about the madness of promotions. I see no harm it does to the environment other than try to sneeze away at players' money. Other than that it's a safe method of use that almost all games (at least F2P) implement.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 19:56

#20

Welux

Honestly, at this point, i'd only be buying boxes to open one, and sell the rest of it's contents. Since one can make an extraordinary profit from the sale of these boxes.
If another batch of recolors comes out, well, looks like more crowns in my pocket, for a measly $20.

But in all seriousness, i would have rather had OOO bring back the original stormy event, and just added more than a book. maybe 2-3 new sets of costume armor. Anything but a reskin, I only go as far as weapon and armor reskins, they actually have a use while also giving a bit of flair. These.. its just for the purity of #FashionKnights.

(Disclaimer: I am not apposing nor hating on #FashionKnights, i love my #Fashionknights)

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 20:08

#21

Red-Galaxy

I don't know about you guys,

I don't know about you guys, but I actually like this promo and for good reason. Everything is RED finally

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 20:45

#22

Rekkusu

...

Usually re-skins are kinda lame except the shadow themed armor that was great, but this new re-skinned armor looks amazing and my friend who loves red has had his eye on the heavy storm plates for a while now and now It's in red and really available :D

also the books are cool too I'll probably be dropping 20-40 bucks on this promo.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 22:02

#23

Miss-Matryoshka

Ours is the fury.

I don't want to be offensive to anyone here, but, it's not like anyone is being forced against their will to purchase anything from these promos. But, I do understand the point that having all of these promos with such frequency kind of makes them devoid of any "specialness", for the lack of a better term. It just gets so incredibly mundane when all you're doing is pumping out new aesthetics without adding any substantial content that changes the game's plot or mechanics.

However, we all know OOO relies on promos for monetary gain, and who knows what kind of financial situation they may be in, especially considering that they made it much more feasible to play the game without spending a single penny with the removal of mist, elevator costs and elevator passes. As a result, they would obviously need to draw in money from somewhere else, wouldn't they? So, basically, it is a very difficult situation. If OOO didn't pump out so many promos, they wouldn't have as much money to maintain the game and develop new content, which would probably lead to further delays of game-changing updates. But, if they continue with what they're doing now, the promo content is inevitably going to continue to become more and more stale and boring. Of course, this is merely speculation.

I guess what I'm trying to say here is that I'm okay with this promo, especially as somebody didn't purchase anything from the Stormy promotion. But, I'm also aware of the implications of this particular promo in relation to the fact it's just one in the long stream of nonstop money sinks comprised entirely of aesthetic items. It's also just one big fat tease as we have yet to see the Gunner update. It's going to make people mad, and it has, but it's still decent, at least in my opinion.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 22:20

#24

Cromendi

"If you guys don't like this,

"If you guys don't like this, you'd all hate Elsword Online. Not only do they have promos running all the time, they also have events that you have to grind for ALL THE TIME."

I'm not sure if you actually played that game or just read some random review about it.

Wed, 06/04/2014 - 22:29

#25

Ethzshadowz

I remember...

I remember back when I would see a promo and go: OH MY GOSH!!! THATS SOO COOL! I REALLY WANT IT! Now if I just had money... then after a week of grinding I could afford a thing or two off the AH from the promo, and I was happy. Now days I don't even care to check the price on the AH, I kinda started skipping them...

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 04:02

#26

Fehzor

@Perronious

Allow me to share one of my favorite quotes with you.

"This thread is exactly why we don't have nice things in this game since the silly # of forum players love to moan about things that won't even improve the game. I swear the forum community is like that guy we all know who keeps trying to figure out why his girlfriend left him 3 years ago....hey dude it might be because you just kept pointing out pointless things she didnt care about."

-Njthug

@Miss-Matryoshka

"OOO relies on promos for monetary gain"

Yeah? Prove it.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 04:26

#27

Bonjourhippo

@Fehzor Still we're entitled

@Fehzor Still we're entitled to having and showing our opinions down here. Besides I don't think quoting is too relevant here, or maybe if it were an actual OOO authority, like a dev or a GM. OOO wants us to express feedback, be it positive or negative. I'm pretty sure they're much happier with that kind of feedback than no feedback at all.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 04:49

#28

Fehzor

@Hippo

"This sentiment is not just my own, it is shared by many."

Sure, you can share your opinion. Not that you're entitled to, seeing as to that OOO owns the site and everything you say here and can (and has in the past) ban you for saying anything at all. But you cannot share the opinion of the many. Even if it is quite obviously true. I don't claim to understand it either.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 05:56

#29

Flowchart

It seems Fehzor likes to play snitch or whatever after being caught for something.

Fehzor gets warned for posting spoilers
-> Complains in threads about stuff from the gunner update "You can't do that! That's a spoiler!!"

Fehzor gets banned for (I don't know what, I remember Fehzor was banned in the past though)
-> "They'll ban you for saying anything"

A certain user argues with Fehzor about not having proof for an observation
-> Fehzor after other people's observation statements "You can't say that! You don't have proof"

Maybe it's a "If I'm going down, I'm taking as many people down with me" mentality.

But back to the topic, I don't pay these promos but I felt the same way OP did when I saw this, that P2Ps only have so much money to spend at a time.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 06:26

#30

Fehzor

^Now that's just mean.

Yes, I have been warned about posting spoilers- I called the Third Troika 'Gram', an accepted name that has been published on the wki. (Again, if you disagree with me saying this feel free to edit it out stealthily, GMs) I think that it would be very nice if we could all be judged under the same rules, and I think that on occasion we are. If someone is going to come on and tell me that what they're doing is OK, then I don't think it should be when others have been warned or punished for it.

When I said that they can and have banned people for "anything", I'm not talking about myself. I'm not disputing a ban, I'm saying this as fact. When the game was new, someone got banned for making a thread with this train of thought, and received a permanent forum ban for it.

"A certain user argues with Fehzor about not having proof for an observation"

Except it isn't "a certain user", its been a certain few users, and I really hate that line of thought even though it's 100% correct. I shouldn't have to poll every single player to know that the shard bomb update was seen in a negative light. But do I and everyone I've spoken to mean that the shard bomb update was disliked? No. So how do I get proof? I can't. So can I say it? No but it probably- These things should just be given, when everyone and anyone asked agrees with them.

I realize that you, and everyone else that reads what I write, doesn't like me or what I have to say. But please, do refrain from scratching, biting, and hair pulling.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 06:26

#31

Flowchart

I don't like it either but that doesn't mean I'm going to call others out on it to be equal or anything like that.

And yes, I realize I was opening a can of worms by putting that out. I normally ignore those posts as most others probably do [citation needed].
But, I felt it needed to be explained to people who might not have read enough of your posts to understand what was going on.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 06:30

#32

Fehzor

You felt what needed to be explained exactly?

My "If I'm going down, I'm taking as many people down with me" mentality?

Or perhaps that people should ignore me because...?

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 06:28

#33

Glowupball

Seasoned Steak and Cake.

I'd say the veterans are done with the main course and its many seasonings, and then proceeded to enjoy dessert. Too bad people became tired of dessert and no further amount of pastries will satisfy their hunger. They appear to need another main course. We'll just have to wait and see if this big update will just be another dessert. If it is, I myself will probably move onto another meal.

Honestly I would even accept the same ingredients, but it should be different than the previous meal, like how pizza is different from spaghetti.

Perronius seems full and he probably needs time to digest his food. If you have cake everyday, it seems a lot less special.

The appetizers enticed me and the main course kept me filled. The dessert made it that much sweeter, but most of us cannot eat the same thing everyday. Also, I seem to have finished my drink a long time ago. I'm still waiting on that refill.

Peace out. (even I don't know what I am getting at) :|

/e runs.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 07:24

#34

Flowchart

You felt what needed to be explained exactly?

My "If I'm going down, I'm taking as many people down with me" mentality?

Yes.

Or perhaps that people should ignore me because...?

Oh, this one was entrapment.

But then, I shouldn't be replying anymore, don't want to wreck this thread more than it already has been.

Back to the topic again, maybe they should have done this as a traditional with-CE promo or a supply depot promo, to see which one ends up working out better for them.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 06:54

#35

Addy

i think ilu flowchart

The issue, as I stated, isn't promos; it's the frequency. I'm all for them making a profit, but come on... They are cramming reskins down our throat. Now of course, the nice part is i dont have to buy into it, thus I save the money and don't lose out on game play. Great, in theory, except that we are dying for new content as well.

A lot of people are constantly forgetting that the Art Team and the Coding Team are two separate groups of people. These jobs have some overlap, yes, but there is a huge difference between adjusting mechanics/balancing new items and making sure these items look pretty, and speaking as an illustrator, there's not a whole lot I can do for the whole "mechanics" part (and I don't think you'd want me balancing anything even slightly involving numbers, haha).
BUT - They also have to pay all of their team members, and if they're not raking in money from content (since this also takes much longer to implement even if you ignore the fact they're down a few people), where is this revenue going to come from?

Additionally, yeah, there's people who buy CE, but with the whole Rarity update, there's much, muuuch less of a need for it than there ever used to be. Energy is largely non-essential at this point, unless you're impatient. So like, even though there's a big patch incoming that will definitely boost player numbers again, where is the revenue from the Gunner Update going to come from? People who don't have enough Eternal Orbs to craft the weapon they want? (If you're like my friends and I, we've been saving up for quite a while, I know I won't have to spend any CE on anything involving crafting for quite some time.)

I'm not very good at being succinct and I apologize, but basically what I'm saying is that, right now, promos just frankly are making the most money, and it's difficult to see why they'd want to stop, considering they need income to continue to make the game/pay their employees. They're short-staffed on the coding department, but where exactly will the new mechanics be making as much money as cosmetics, aside from the occasional impatient player? Promos seem like a much more reliable source of income in general.

I do believe Phantasy Star Online 2 has a similar sort of thing, it's F2P, optionally P2P, with paying for extra character slots, or, cosmetic items. Again: I'd much rather have cosmetics as the main source of income than something that ACTUALLY mattered, like a cash-only exclusive weapon that outclasses all existing weaponry, etc. I'll never have a Celestial Suit but I can take on the Vanadukes just as well as the next guy. It's a bummer I'll never have a Bitter End but at least it's not an all around better shield than what I currently have, etc.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 07:00

#36

Melma

Totally agreed, Perro

That's just in first place what big part of SK Community is trying to say to the game.
I would like just to see answers from OOO/Sega, because if I shall remember: which one has been the *real* last update? I'd say OCH in terms of dungeons/bosses (not speaking about mini bosses as Maulos etc.) So yeah, I don't want even to do math and say to you how much time I have been waiting and (still I do ) for seeing Clockworks to be upgraded.

About the Rage promo that made people raging... nice joke, I don't know?!
I mean I don't really care about accessories anymore, they are realising so many recolored costumes and new accessories that we have more accessories and less armor/weapons now in sk (...)
If they want to keep to see us using Hunter,Surge,Lovely,Ancient,Fury,Rage,Hallow,Frosty,Shadow,Obsidian..etcetc costumes, and then standing in haven or playing LD or just playing the only boss T3 Lord Vanaduke for the hundredth time, well GL SK cause I'm raging too.

How many players did already leave Spiral Knights?

.....

Keep to recolor costumes every week, that's what is gonna keep the game alive.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 07:02

#37

Fehzor

@Flowchart
Well, way to name and shame. I never knew that you had such harsh feelings towards me, but trust me when I say that they're delicious.

I think that OOO may have collected enough data and are choosing to go with the stand alone box thing. This makes sense to me for a few reasons, mostly economic ones.

I saw some people selling prize boxes for 4000 CE in haven when the promotion came out. I found this pricing to be a bit... optimistic, but expected.

5 USD = 1 prize box = 1.6K CE = 104,000 crowns per box (if you had bought CE and traded it for crowns instead)
20 USD = 5 prize boxes = 7,500 CE = 97,500 crowns per box
50 USD = 15 prize boxes = 20,000 CE = 86,666 crowns per box

Note that these are less than half of what prize boxes typically go for on the auction house. When demand from those not wishing to pay with real world cash goes up, the value of the boxes in cash also rises, giving huge incentive to buy energy. Anyone wishing to put any money into the game is benefited by the demand of F2P players, which is always quite large.

Even if the P2P players have already invested heavily in the last promotion, the demand for items like the "tome of rage" will still make it more viable to continue purchasing or more likely for other P2P players to invest.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 07:16

#38

Miss-Matryoshka

@Fehzor

You're right. I cannot prove it. But, it's just nonsensical to dismiss my opinion on the basis that I don't have any proof. If that was the case, you might as well dismiss everyone's opinion here on the forum as they are not GMs or developers. Why have a forum to discuss the game at that point, then?

But, I digress. Doesn't it just simply seem logical to assume that because OOO puts out so many promos with such frequency that they make a decent amount of money off of them? I'm not saying that it is their sole source of income, but, why would they even bother putting out SO MANY promos if they weren't a good way to make money? It wouldn't make sense to spend that much time and effort on so many different promos just to not make enough money off of them or even LOSE money. OOO is a company like any other in the fact that it needs to generate revenue somehow, and pumping out promos every two weeks appears to be the strategy (or, one of the strategies) they've adopted in order to generate that revenue.

And I'll state this again:
This is all just speculation.

I don't have any evidence concerning the monetary profits of OOO to prove that this is right or wrong. It is an assumption that is based on what generally seems like the most logical thing for the company to do or is doing currently.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 07:28

#39

Pepperonius

@fehzor

I do want to point out that i clarified the amount of people ive spoken with about this, and my rationale. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. I don't recall reading your opinion on the constant promotions and limited content updates though, perhaps you would care to share your counterpoint?

Also, i'd be inclined to say that if the folks buying boxes are like me, they do prefer the box option. I would simply prefer some, as glowupball put it, room to eat my cake again.

@miss-matroyoshka

Yep, you are totally correct in your point as well. Actually, i said something similar, although nowhere near as well put, in my OP.

To clarify, i have no issue with this promotion itself, or any future ones. I know Ian handles the art side, and he knows i love his art. I just want to be able to partake in these promotions without breaking the bank.

@addy

Great points as well. I did adress the split teams a bit higher up. I think, if its ok with yourself and miss m, i will link your specific posts in the OP, as they offer what i feel is a solid counterpoint, and yet support at once.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 07:31

#40

Aphrodite

Community Manager

Regarding this: The comment

Regarding this: The comment at the end, "I know all you knights don't have anything to rage about, so you won't need this armor even a little bit," honestly annoyed me. It's kinda like HA u guise r all so mad no content lololol here's a promo HURRRR U MAD BRO?! At least, that's how I took it.

When we were planning this promo, there was supposed to be new content released at the same time (OMG SPOILERS!). For various reasons I won't go into, it was delayed. I forgot to edit that bit out of the announcement when the content was delayed. Without the new content, it isn't funny, and I understand why you're upset. I apologize.

To the other bits in this thread, we do value your feedback, both positive and negative, about the prize boxes and the changes we've made to the schedule. Thank you!

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 07:42

#41

Krakob

inb4 Aphrodite gets a two day ban for posting spoilers ヽ( ｡ヮﾟ)ノ

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 12:34

#42

Blazzberry

SCP-96

Huh...that actually clears up everything.

And the fact that you said new content was suppose to be released yestarday makes me feel better because the answer feels like its coming from the real person and not some scripted message. Thanks Aphrodite.

Edit: Neeevermind I see she is back now :D

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 07:54

#43

Pepperonius

Lol ok, NOW its funny

Thank you for clarifying, Aphrodite. It makes a lot more sense now. Poke the devs for me, will ya? Tell them they got you in trouble

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 07:57

#44

Glowupball

To be continued! . . . .

Will the constant promos be able to fund new content? Will the new content bring in new players while satisfying the current player-base? Will the end justify the means? Will this game grow and become a household name, or die due to lack of players like Puppet Guardian? (RIP my first mmo)

I think if they want this game to grow, they'll need to hire more people. Hmmmmm, or are things fine as they are now? Honestly for Macs (like me) there's very little to choose from, so I do see potential for this game. There are flaws in the game (crafting is not fun, not very newbie friendly, lag, etc etc) but I think this game can move on. There's plenty of older mmo's that are immortal dinosaurs, cept Puppet Guardian. /e sheds a tear.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 08:00

#45

Mushy-Bucket

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@Aphrodite
Oh, now I get it. Mistakes are mistakes.
#Feelsmuchbetternow

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 08:03

#46

Fehzor

@Perronious
There are two statements in this thread. The one from the OP, and the way most people interpreted it as.

"Back to back promotions are a bad idea because the money well dries out"

This is mostly a valid point, but from a business standpoint doesn't exactly matter. If OOO is making money off of spamming promotions, then they should continue to do so, and I would expect by the same reasoning that Matroyoshka added, that OOO is most certainly making money off of the promotions and will continue to do so.

I don't claim to know everything about how these transactions work, but like I said above-

"When demand from those not wishing to pay with real world cash goes up, the value of the boxes in cash also rises, giving huge incentive to buy energy. Anyone wishing to put any money into the game is benefited by the demand of F2P players, which is always quite large.

The significance being that there are easily outs for your situation, meaning that draining P2P players continually would have very limited repercussions, making it a very good idea for OOO profit wise-- which is supposedly the entire point of the promotions.

"OOO should produce more content rather than spamming promotions!"

The problem here is that new content and promotions are not exactly one and the same. Lets say that there are 3 artists and 3 programmers, and that they're working away at a decent rate, producing content and promotions. Then along come 5 more artists. If those artists can make promotions fast enough, then OOO should hire them. Maybe they would slow the team down or "be too much" and have diminishing returns, but that's up to OOO to decide, and our opinion of this is meaningless.

I also think that OOO has been strangely incompetent as of late in terms of their "actual content", and should really consider hiring people or enforcing rules or stepping their game up in some way so as to not have this kind of thing happen. The gunner update was scheduled to come out in January, and it is currently June.

Really, the game has much bigger issues than their promotions, namely of which is the idea that OOO can "tide us over" with events. Notice how the black kat event didn't work as well as it did the first time around. There wasn't much hype, and it was disappointing to say the least. Producing events is most likely what has held OOO back from ultimately solving the hype train-wreck issue.

@Aphrodite

I thought it was a pretty good joke..

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 08:19

#47

Autofire

You are experiencing a PICNIC ERROR!

Wait, delayed again? I have to say...I'm kinda starting to lose patience. Is this gunner update just a myth? :S

What are they doing, making the new T3 boss AND the guns in one update? I could forgive that. If it's just guns...I think my hype is gone. :C

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 08:20

#48

Addy

Glowupball - They have had a

Glowupball - They have had a job posting on the official Three Rings website for probably a year now. It's been up there since long before Nick left.

Aphrodite - Idk, I laughed so hard. You're generally the GM who jokes around with the community the most too so coming from you I figured it was just good spirited fun.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 08:30

#49

Pepperonius

@addy

I got a chuckle as well. I had no issue with the comment itself, i certainly saw the issue the community could have with it. Generalizing, of course.

@fehzor

Well said, and valid points. Not that you need me to validate your points, just concurring.

Im rambling now, I'll come back to this post after some sleep.

Thu, 06/05/2014 - 08:44

#50

Glowupball

Oh.

For some reason I was under the impression they were replacing someone instead of adding on new members to the team for growth. Hopefully whoever they hire is up to the task while bringing something new to the table.

/e contemplates how large the team could become and if a larger team is needed for said growth.

Did a developer ever say directly the stall of the update was even partially due to a lack of manpower or is that just speculation? If so then, maybe they really should hire more people. If not then, I guess the updates they are attempting are very tricky. Although that just brings up the question of sufficient manpower again.

I'll just sit back and see what happens. I'm sure they can manage. Right? Someone reassure me :|

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