Aww i almost had the 100th.... ah well.

They'd do it becuase it's a nice thing to do, it lowers the prices for them too in the long run. If we got CE prices were at 4k, everyone else could keep it there. It's optimistic, but still. This is not three ring's fault, and they shouldn't have to be the ones to fix it. It's a user run market, our responsibility. We can't just say that it's three rings fault becuase of crafting blunders. The fac that this topic exists means thet the horse is not dead. I'mshure some people, hopefuly including me, will lower the prices. Thank you for the feed back.

Not trying to blow my own horn, but I remember when E prices were 2.7k lol. So really, I don't want to hear anyone whine and cry about E being too much.

I just got T3 access, and I must say i'm glad that i did before E prices went any higher. Now let's lay down some facts, here.
It is a fact that a JK run (T2, AKA depths 9-17) will warrant you about 6-8k. It is also a fact that a FULL T2 run can take anywhere from 60 to 100E depending on how you play (Resurrects, E doors, Danger rooms, etc).
Taking in raw crown gain, as well as crowns gained from selling mats and minerals that you pick up, I'd guesstimate that at the end of a good T2 run plus a few levels of T3, I can bring home 8k atleast.
And let us not forget about Recipes. Yes yes yes, recipes! Buy a few good ones and sell them on the auction house. I usually get atleast 500 from a good flip of a 3star recipe. I even got 3k from flipping a dusker coat recipe once!

So if you're worried about E prices skyrocketing, fear not. Because TRUST me, there is always a way to make money. You kids just aren't looking hard enough.

Now if you really wanna try and get intelligent, lets take a knock on Economics as a whole.

Crowns are generated from nothing. With there being no limit on how many crowns can be in the economy, then you would need a good crown sink. unfortunately, there are none aside from crafting and the Auction House. So we can safely say that for every crown that is introduced, it inherently loses value.
Crowns are robustly abundant, easily available, and essentially donothing special, therefore they are worthless. And in Economics, worth is what matters.
Since Crystal Energy is what essentially allows you to play the game, E is what makes the economy.
Using the power of E, you can do plenty of things. Kill stuff, Life stuff, get more money, lose money, get teammates, make gear, all kinds of things. Because E is so useful, ofcourse it is going to have value.
E has value, therefore it is the only form of currency that matters.

The problem here is not an influx of new players, the change in the way energy works, market manipulation by all the pr0z, or anything else related to the pseudoscience called economics.
What is making the prices of E go up is the fact that Energy is the true main currency of Spiral Knights. Energy is inherently valuable due to its usefulness. The only thing you can do with crowns is pay fees and buy E. Outside of that, it does nothing useful, therefore they are inherently worthless.
So the real issue is the bonafide fact that Crowns do NOT play a big enough role of importance in the game mechanics to make them useful.

This may or may not be my opinion, but I bet I know alot more about economics than the average player. Again, I'm not trying to blow my own horn, I am just trying to get my views on the situation out.

What's more laughable are the attitudes of those "complaining".

Wel, yes, it's obviously Three Rings' fault for making stupid decisions regarding the player economy, but the attitudes of some the the "whiners" are even worse.

The only "fail" I see here isn't related to the May 17 patch, but with the players' combative and sometimes siege mentality towards any sort of changes, Three Rings' history notwithstanding.

Energy costs are rocket sprocketing

See what I did there?

@ drmchsr0

"Wel, yes, it's obviously Three Rings' fault for making stupid decisions regarding the player economy, but the attitudes of some the the "whiners" are even worse.

The only "fail" I see here isn't related to the May 17 patch, but with the players' combative and sometimes siege mentality towards any sort of changes, Three Rings' history notwithstanding."

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The Attitude is rightly deserved. In one sentence you say they did wrong, yet you vilify the so called "whiners" for voicing their feedback on it? AHAHAHA (of course there is always extremes of both sides)

You assume the "Combative" mentality was aimed against change in general. Yes, generally speaking, people are resistant to change.
In this instance? NO. Most of it is directed against BAD change in this instance. It seems you fail to see that.

Thanks for the response, but rose tinted glasses? I'm a bit optimistic, but that's how you keep the market nice and efffective. If people see that helping others helps them, then the price will go down, everyone's happy. The fact is we shuldn't blame OOO if we set the prices. True as it may be that they set the drop rates, that's a constant factor. If OOO jumped the drop rates, the CE price would jump. Then we would stilll be where we are now. Shure, the drop's can be changed so that they work better for the players, but just becuase it isn't perfect dosen't mean we can pin OOO for any problems. Plus, CE is around 5.5 for me right now, just bought 200.

Kryztof makes a nice point, and allot of people do do the thing's he's suggested to make money. I buy and sell recipies often and do make profit. It's better than buying CE then selling it for a higher price, and more stable. Like he said, there are ceirtianly people who need to find more ways to make money. I think that's another reason why OOO raised crafting costs; to influence more selling. Precicely why that update came neer the auction house one. By rasing prices they force people to sell more. This is why I don't complain about crafting much, dispite that 800 is a tad much for a 5star...
That being said, The CE price can get better than this. I'm not saying that we're down the crap chute, but that it can be fine tuned. If more people did find more ways to make money (like what you said) then I think CE would be less of a problem.

I can agree!

OOO isn't going to interfere. Time to suck it up.

Also, really digging the month-old necro. Classy.

What Three Rings need to do is to find other ways for revenue streams in game while reducing the cost of buying energy with real world money. People are always willing to buy costume gear just for the looks. It's easy enough to implement at this stage assuming they have the personal to handle those art asset additions and minor coding additions to load the items into the game. I'm not saying they need to reduce the prices on energy by a lot, but if it's enough where it's at a price point that new players can't pass up, you'll keep a good many players in the game, playing.

You people are assuming that OOO does not already manipulate the market arbitrarily already.

There is no CE price history data, and buyers and sellers are anonymous. OOO could be injecting either crowns or CE into the CE market at its own discretion and there is no way anyone can tell.

Boom and bust cycles can be easily engineered with an algorithm that injects CE or crowns depending on the prices at the appropriate times. If I were a dev on the team, this is certainly something I would suggest doing, and its completely rational that OOO would have a method that does something like this. If I were OOO I would want to have full control over my game economy, and controlling CE prices by injecting my limitless supply of CE/crowns is how I would do it.

Think of it as currency printing.

This thread just won't die!

OOO will NOT interfere with player-based economics. HOWEVER they will develop more schemes to make people buy more energy to pay employees. More reasons for BUYING energy means more energy would be placed in the SK world. More energy in SK w/ players, less demand in the CE market for energy, more demand for crowns. More demand for crowns means more selling CE to market or to other players. Then, less demand for in game CE and drop in price of Crystal Energy. More people buying energy also makes OOO happy. Less people buying energy with cash means more demand for energy with crowns, means higher prices on energy. Therefore, more schemes to make players buy energy is good for the in-game economics. HOWEVER, players would become cheap enough to NOT buy energy with cash all the time, and increase of crowns4energy would come in automatically. More of that, more demand for cash4energy along with big schemes. People would stop wanting to waste cash on this over time, inflating crowns4energy prices. This would also stop by new players. If new players would rather buy energy on the first time because of not knowing the energy market (crowns4energy), prices drop. In all, Schemes+Newplayers=Demand4cash4energy = drop in crowns4energy. Smarter/cheaperplayers+age of game=not wanting to use money on game = rise in crowns4energy. At least, this is my theory.

Didnt notice dates

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiTvXgOmbmw

i think its Three Rings because the elevator pass releases and the CE prices goes up in the same time and the shadow key goes up 200 CE? that's weird
why would it go up when the elevator pass releases.You don't have to agree with me but its just a guess because don't Game Masters have tons of CE
so what better way to make the prices go up to buy so you would buy this pass and once you would buy it you would get tons of CR,oh but what happens the CE prices go up and up until poof you cant buy CE anymore and your pass runs out.now this game is not free-to-play.

My Thoughts.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=n1t9x5&s=5
Ya right.

Proto at Vanaduke? Well, that it is indeed cool and free to play like, yeah... but, you know, there is this guy called Spiral Warden who will not let you pass unless you show to him your pretty 2* and 4* equipment.

Which means you have to "pay" to get there. Or another person, at least.