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Help Needed - Easy - Bazaar NPC's Inventory

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Sat, 11/21/2015 - 10:14
Iskrica's picture
Iskrica

Dear knights, if you wish to help us update the list of items that NPC's from Bazaar sell, you definitely can. The list is almost complete, however a few items are still missing and we need your help in finding them.
Seen as these items pop up differently for every player (and for every character a player has), the more players get involved in the search, the greater the chance is for these items to appear.
Additionally, this will also help determine which items are absolutely not a part of NPC's inventory.

If you're interested, here is a 3-step how to:
1) find the items requested below
2) take a screenshot of the NPC's inventory that includes the item we're looking for
3) throw a link to the image here in the thread
- note that just posting a comment "Hey I found XYZ item" is unfortunatelly not valid, we need a more solid proof

Which items to look out for?

Greave
- Helmet:
☛ Cobalt Helm, Angelic Helm, Chroma Mask, Dusker Cap, Gunslinger Hat, Solid Cobalt Helm, Woven Snakebite Pathfinder Helm ☚
- Armor:
☛ Cobalt Armor, Wolver Coat, Angelic Raiment, Chroma Suit, Dusker Coat, Gunslinger Sash, Solid Cobalt Armor ☚
✔ Items found: Blazebreak Helm, Woven Grizzly Shade Helm

Kragen
- Shield:
☛ Defender, Great Defender, Scarlet Shield, Swiftstrike Buckler ☚

Quillion
- Sword:
☛ Calibur, Flamberge, Rigadoon, Tempered Calibur ☚
✘ Items to remove: Grintovec

Ricasso
- Handgun:
☛ Blaster, Dark Chaingun, Elemental Blaster, Pierce Blaster, Shadow Blaster, Super Blaster, Tundrus ☚
- Bomb:
☛ Blast Bomb, Super Blast Bomb ☚
✘ Items to remove: Toxic Needle

Vatel
- Recipe:
☛ Ignition Armor, Ignition Helm, Cobalt Armor, Cobalt Helm, Blaster, Defender, Calibur ☚
✔ Items found: Splinter Bomb, Volt Breaker Shield, Plate Shield
✘ Items to remove: Spitfire, Padded Armor, Padded Cap

Let the hunt begin!

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 12:49
#1
Falminar's picture
Falminar
I don't think the Spitfire or Padded Cap/Armor have recipes

Of course, still check for them, but it's unlikely for you to find them.

And I don't think any PvP rewards like the Toxic Needle will be available either.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 13:12
#2
Avenger-Of-Troy's picture
Avenger-Of-Troy
idk

I don't think you CAN get wolver from them. Or angelic. Or cobalt.

Sat, 11/21/2015 - 16:54
#3
Iskrica's picture
Iskrica
@Vanaduke-Destroyer

Toxic Needle should not be here, you're absolutely right. My mistake. Thanks for noticing. Since it's bought with Krogmo Coins, it should not to be a part of Ricasso's inventory.
Spitfire is sold by Ricasso and is, according to wiki, "reward for new-players who sign up for Spiral Knights through Aeria Games". This is also a fair reason and a possibility it has no recipe for Vatel.

Just to be clear, there are a lot of mission reward items mentioned. Just like you, I assume they are not sold in Bazaar, but I would like to make sure.
Keep comments coming, I'd like to hear more opinions.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 08:18
#4
Falminar's picture
Falminar
Spitfire/Padded

Why I don't think they have recipes (Spitfire first, Padded second):

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/111743 (See Dracora-Speaking's post)

http://forums.spiralknights.com/en/node/111549 (See Thunder-The-Bright's post)

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 08:46
#5
Iskrica's picture
Iskrica
Cool cool

Good points. Marked them for removal from my list.
Luckly today I found Blazebreak Helm on Greaves and both Splinter Bomb recipe and Volt Breaker Shield recipe on Vatel. Nice.

Sun, 11/22/2015 - 19:43
#6
Skepticraven's picture
Skepticraven
↓

Recipes? No.
However, the items themselves can be purchased and are in fact one of the limited ways of obtaining them spitfire and padded.

That being said, the current lists on the wiki are definitely out-of-date - they're missing quite a few of the 2*/3* items.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 06:14
#7
Dracora-Speaking's picture
Dracora-Speaking
@Skepticisms

Yep, many vendor inventories on our wiki are very out of date. That's partially why we started this project :)

This data collection is part of the new acquisition template system we are working on (Hexzyle suggested the uniform insertion format but we had to split it into types due to the sheer amount of data), as well as the NPC overhaul - there are many NPCs that don't even have pages yet. Because people totally care about NPCs. It's amazing how things tie together! Oh no wait the wiki does that like everytyme. If anyone is curious, we have discussed various aspects of the NPC page evolution over many months regarding infoboxes, dialogue (text > images of text), and ToC section order on both the forums and on wiki talk. But I won't talk about the NPC page stuff here, because that's not what this thread is about.

Here's one of the acquisition templates. You can see how it works through a pagename switch - which can of course be adjusted for disambiguation issues - and incorporates the Basil template, which was inspired by this this discussion. I prefer to wait for data to implement, but others believe we have enough to push these through. Granted, we can attempt to make some assumptions, with some more reasonable than others (no Krogmo items in the Bazaar etc.), but this type of data is the annoying kind. Innocent until proven guilty. Implementing would involve a page format overhaul (for many articles) so every ToC section is in a consistent order and name for each equipment page, so I am also personally procrastinating on the matter significantly.

Regarding data for vendors, I am checking them out whenever I can. While providing null/repetitive data isn't helpful in these circumstances, I imagine knowing that more people are checking is nice.

Mon, 11/23/2015 - 06:36
#8
Dracora-Speaking's picture
Dracora-Speaking
Found

-Vatel: Plate Shield Recipe
-Greave: Woven Grizzly Shade Helm

Proposition: Since it's a Sullivan thing (coliseum/Krogmo), I don't think we'll ever find Grintovec in the Bazaar @Quillion.

Tue, 11/24/2015 - 04:47
#9
Iskrica's picture
Iskrica
Cool cool

I agree, Grintovec will be removed from this list.
Nice find!

Tue, 12/01/2015 - 11:42
#10
Dracora-Speaking's picture
Dracora-Speaking
Found

-Greave: Woven Snakebite Pathfinder Helm

FYI, I have contacted support about a few matters regarding NPC inventories, we'll see what they have to say.

Here's what they had to say:

Greetings, Thank you for your patience while we looked into this. Unfortunately, I was not able to find the answers to your questions with the tools available to us. We will have to rely on player reports regarding the items they find in those locations. That said, I can confirm that it's a misc knight in the 9-4 Hall of Heroes and Izola cannot move because the Ironmight is too heavy. I'm sorry that we were not able to provide the information requested at this time. Thank you again for the wonderful work you are doing on the wiki!

Sadly, support cannot confirm much of the data I asked for regarding the oddities (and a few other questions about vendors in general, the misc knight is regarding whether or not the Forge Knight is above Walkon in the 9-4 HoH Mission).

I propose the following (this is what I sent to support about the Vendor wares):

1) Recipes sold by Sullivan currently do not have any possibility of showing up in the Bazaar. While mod calibrators can be Prize Wheel prizes, enamorocks cannot.

2) The Spitfire, Ignition Helm, and Ignition Armor items do not have recipes. As such, they cannot be crafted, nor can the recipes be found and purchased from any NPCs. These items can only be acquired by joining SK via Aeria Games and/or purchasing from Greave.

3) Greave does not currently have the possibility of selling the following items: Cobalt Helm, Angelic Helm, Chroma Mask, Dusker Cap, Gunslinger Hat, Solid Cobalt Helm, Cobalt Armor, Wolver Coat, Angelic Raiment, Chroma Suit, Dusker Coat, Gunslinger Sash, Solid Cobalt Armor. This is because...? (information requested)

4) Kragen does not currently have the possibility of selling the following items: Defender, Great Defender, Scarlet Shield, Swiftstrike Buckler. This is because...? (information requested).

5) Quillion does not currently have the possibility of selling the following items: Calibur, Flamberge, Rigadoon, Tempered Calibur

6) Ricasso does not currently have the possibility of selling the following items: Blaster, Dark Chaingun, Elemental Blaster, Pierce Blaster, Shadow Blaster, Super Blaster, Tundrus, Blast Bomb, Super Blast Bomb

7) Vatel does not currently have the possibility of selling the following recipes: Cobalt Armor, Cobalt Helm, Blaster, Defender, Calibur.

We hypothesis that the cobalt/calibur/blaster/blast bomb/defender lines are not sold in the Bazaar because they are so integrated in mission rewards. We do not know why the others might not be sold. They follow the 3* starting pattern, except wolver and the status toothpick swords and newer gunnerupdate weapons. Perhaps it has something to do with order of release, even though the newer gunner armor/helms were put into Greave's vendor list. Scarlet Shield seems to be a Basil-only recipe, so that explains why we've never found it all this time in the Bazaar. The swiftstrike buckler remains the most mysterious.

Excellent work Iskrica/MissNice. I will get the gears moving for the acquisition template implementation soon, likely within the next few days. As you said previously, we do not need to wait for perfect data to implement this information. It's sorely needed and pages are out of date, and we have enough so we no longer have to wait.

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